Suicide

Originally posted by TacDavey
Right. But in regards to this topic, I don't think my view point is specific only to Christians or religious people. An atheist can very well argue the same way I did.

I think so, but it's more likely to come from a Christian.

I'm an advocate of Dr. Jack Kevorkian. If a person wants to end their life, then, by all means, they should be allowed to.

However, withouth trying to sound like a hypocrite, I will say that an utterly random suicide without a moments notice is a very shocking and hurtful situation for the families/friends of the departed. I've been involved in several suicides of family/friend that have devastated me.

Originally posted by Daemon Seed
ThI don't carry points over because I see each issue as separate.

so you admit you are making a hypocritical point? or could you elaborate without a dodge?

Originally posted by Impediment
I'm an advocate of Dr. Jack Kevorkian. If a person wants to end their life, then, by all means, they should be allowed to.

However, withouth trying to sound like a hypocrite, I will say that an utterly random suicide without a moments notice is a very shocking and hurtful situation for the families/friends of the departed. I've been involved in several suicides of family/friend that have devastated me.

Agreed completely, a man I know- a teacher lost both his sons to suicide within 5 years. Both had been through divorces and lost children.

Originally posted by inimalist
so you admit you are making a hypocritical point? or could you elaborate without a dodge?

I've elaborated enough, think about what i've said.

Just to throw this in the hat, I would strongly suggest that the individual in question, before going to Dr. Kevorkian, get counseling and medical attention before jumping to such a radical conclusion as suicide.

I mean, it's only logical, right?

If, then, they still wanted to die, then, again, I say that it's their right.

Originally posted by Daemon Seed
I've elaborated enough, think about what i've said.

dodge

Originally posted by Impediment
Just to throw this in the hat, I would strongly suggest that the individual in question, before going to Dr. Kevorkian, get counseling and medical attention before jumping to such a radical conclusion as suicide.

I mean, it's only logical, right?

If, then, they still wanted to die, then, again, I say that it's their right.

I would say though, often people in that state are in no position to make a rational decision. People often just snap and do it.

We have doctor assisted suicide in my state; I think the system is fantastic. My biggest complaint, actually, is that it makes such aid too hard to get.

But what are the criteria for assisted suicide? You can't just allow people to kill themselves because their girlfriend dumped them.

you think suicide should be illegal?

Originally posted by TacDavey
But what are the criteria for assisted suicide? You can't just allow people to kill themselves because their girlfriend dumped them.

Originally posted by inimalist
you think suicide should be illegal?

i remember back in the day they had a box for suicide on refferals

Originally posted by Utsukushii
Everyone goes through pain, suffering, self-esteem issues, depression, money problems, and yet, we all haven't killed ourselves.

I believe that the weak will die, the strong will survive. It's cruel sounding yes, but it's true.

Originally posted by inimalist
you think suicide should be illegal?

Pretty much.

Originally posted by King Kandy
It's for people w/ terminal illness.

Well, if there is really, absolutely nothing that can be done for them, and it's unbearable... Though I worry that would act as a stepping stone for less and less severe cases getting approved for suicide.

Illegal or not, what can the Law do to you exactly once you have killed yourself ?

Originally posted by TacDavey
Pretty much.

so, a person is depressed enough to kill themselves, the state should prosecute them as a criminal?

Originally posted by chomperx9
Illegal or not, what can the Law do to you exactly once you have killed yourself ?

its more about what happens to people who are unsuccessful or to the families. It used to be the case that families of people who commited suicide would face huge reprecussions from the state

Originally posted by TacDavey
Well, if there is really, absolutely nothing that can be done for them, and it's unbearable... Though I worry that would act as a stepping stone for less and less severe cases getting approved for suicide.

Originally posted by inimalist
so, a person is depressed enough to kill themselves, the state should prosecute them as a criminal?

Well, if they commit suicide, there isn't anything you can do to them.

I think the "illegal" side of it pertains more to the assisting of the suicide. Those who helped them do it.

I also don't think doctors should legally be allowed to help.

Bottom line, I don't think the government or hospitals or what have you should offer suicide as an alternative to anything.

And as far as those who are depressed enough to consider suicide who get caught trying... I don't think they should be treated like criminals and sent to jail. I think they should be sent somewhere they can get help.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I would approve of that... in fact I think it is far to strict the way it is right now. Surely living in agony should be proper grounds even if it will take more than 6 months (our limit) to kill you. I really think it's idiotic to assume we can judge how one person's pain compares to another.

I don't see anything wrong will speeding along the process if someone is going to die anyway. I worry that this will lead to people being able to kill themselves for less severe reasons. Where do we draw the line? Like you said, we can't judge one person's pain over another.