Originally posted by carver9I've changed my mind now. Thor got taken out by a tazer. Superman wins.
Ok, I have JUST left the theatre to see the Thor movie. I agree with Quan... this is a MASSACRE... Thor wins this 10/10... by the way, he was fighting those frost giants in the beginning at super speed.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
^Superman did not sundip.He simply flew up to the stratosphere/troposphere to get some sunlight because the clouds were too thick below that level. Basically, he went up to a point where he often is while flying anyway.
All that exposure to the Sun did was heal him a bit from being stabbed by the k-crystal, it did not amp him in the least. He was still less than 100%.
Sorry if my sundip verbage wasnt correct when Superman flew up in the air and was soaking in the suns rays to heal and strengthen himself. Call it whatever you want.
Originally posted by carver9
Ok, I have JUST left the theatre to see the Thor movie. I agree with Quan... this is a MASSACRE... Thor wins this 10/10... by the way, he was fighting those frost giants in the beginning at super speed.
Ok and now get Superman returns (and maybe Superman 1+2), and watch it.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Ok and now get Superman returns (and maybe Superman 1+2), and watch it.
I said the LATEST Superman movie which is Superman returns. I don't care about what he did on 1&2. Thor kills him... destroy, finish, annihilate, demolish, piss on, two legit to quit his ass.
Look at the Thor movie please.
Originally posted by TazerAre you serious about acting like any other asgardian is as formidable as Thor without the hammer ? Who cares anyways as he can always summon it.
Yo.h2h its not a contest, but I also think its fair to point out that we only saw him do so when he fought humans, so theres no indication of how well his skills would carry him in a fight against other Asgardians (who wouldve been in much the same types of battles as him), OR the Frost Giants, w/o Mjolnir.
granted his *wasnt* phased by much, but then again he also kept everything away from him too; he didnt engage anything w/in arms reach besides Loki, and he's no fighter at all going by wat we saw. Id also wager Supes couldve survived *atleast* 1 solid hit from the D-armor AND remain conscious, while while we saw how badly hurt Volstagg & Sif got from near misses.
based off the movies involved, I dont see Thors "superior skills" doing much to win him this fight; his move against the D-armor wouldnt work since hes capable of flight, and going by his lone STR-feat of *barely being able to* flip over that dinning hall table I dont see a h2h fight making Supes even noticing he got touched.
Mjolnir is the only thing which could get him a win here, and even then I dont think he has the displayed feats that could give him a majority win.
Tazer
What does surviving the destroyer have to do with surviving Thor ?
Thor's bread and butter is mjolnir. It has to do with his powers so acting like it doesn't count or his dependence on it somehow justifies not giving him the win.
I am glad you agree with it he probably wins even in your mind.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusRips Thor's hammer from your hands. You disgust and bring shame to asgard.
Superman's a bit of a pussy so Thor's superior combat skills might allow him to hang for longer than he should, but I think Clark would eventually win on raw power alone.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to the sun revitalizing himself. While weakened he got beaten up by luthor and his thugs.
True the sun revitalized him, but he wasn't in top shape with that piece of kryptonite on his ribs and the entire island being made out of kryptonite.
It was all kind of dumb, because he is instantly depowered upon landing on the island, and later he gets to lift the entire thing out of orbit. Guess they were trying to highlight Superman's will.
Originally posted by -Pr-
He used speed in Returns, and he lifted an island while suffering from kryptonite poisoning.I didn't see Thor, so I'm curious if Thor has feats that match those. If he does, then fair enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtFzg5jTDAw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOddp-nlNvQ
He does that huge ground smash at the end of 2 nd trailer.
Spoiler:
he one shots that huge monster at the end of the 1st trailer ,he creates a small tornado and one shots the destroyer and beats Loki who has Gungir
Originally posted by Zack FairHe was only able to do that by getting underneath the Island and using some Earth to block himself from the K-Nite.
True the sun revitalized him, but he wasn't in top shape with that piece of kryptonite on his ribs and the entire island being made out of kryptonite.It was all kind of dumb, because he is instantly depowered upon landing on the island, and later he gets to lift the entire thing out of orbit. Guess they were trying to highlight Superman's will.
By the time it was shown that the K-Nite was peeking through and having an effect on him he already basically was done getting the island away from Earth.
Originally posted by carver9
I said the LATEST Superman movie which is Superman returns. I don't care about what he did on 1&2. Thor kills him... destroy, finish, annihilate, demolish, piss on, two legit to quit his ass.Look at the Thor movie please.
Then go and get Superman Returns and watch it, at least once. I saw both btw 😉. And Superman wins.
Yo.
Originally posted by carver9
When he was fighting the frost giants, yes, he was fighting at high speeds. They couldn't even touch him and they were coming from EVERY angle. They took the camera far away and you see him slapping them at super speed.Thor stomps this no contest. He was a BEAST in that movie.
he was NOT dropping them @ spr-spd; sure he was dropping them fast, and theres was that 1 point where he nailed about 6+ in a straight line, but the *only* speed feats he had in that scene were twirling & waving around Mjolnir, and using it to spit those ice chunks out like bullets @ the SGs.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you serious about acting like any other asgardian is as formidable as Thor without the hammer ? Who cares anyways as he can always summon it.What does surviving the destroyer have to do with surviving Thor ?
Thor's bread and butter is mjolnir. It has to do with his powers so acting like it doesn't count or his dependence on it somehow justifies not giving him the win.
I am glad you agree with it he probably wins even in your mind.
have we seen anything in this movie that showed Thor is more durable or stronger than *any other* Asgardian, when he DOESNT have Mjolnir?? no. if U've seen it, plz tell me the scene & I'll re-watch it.
surviving the D-armor says alot for a persons durability, and thats not something we really saw much of in this film, whereas in SR we actually saw how much punishment Supes basically *ignores*, which gives us a marker for how much MORE dmg Thor would need to do to get any reaction out of him beyond mild annoyance (that previously mentioned "ice bullet atk" isnt gonna do squat to him), and nothing seen in this movie shows him dominating this fight. not even close.
in the comics most of the exotic stuff is tied to Mjolnir no question, BUT even w/o it Thor can tank most of the same stuff that Supes could.........however I dont see that same "tankability" here; movie-T hasnt shown us that he can/could withstand the level of punishment that a *single blow* from movie-S is capable of dealing based on pure STR. that might get addressed in the Avengers (which Im hoping it does, actually), but until then theres ZERO proof he can do it.
and flipside here is that we've seen movie-S would be able to tank a good/great chunk of wat Movie-T can throw at him.
I do think its possible for movie-T to win, but like I said thats only due to Mjolnir and it definitely isnt for a majority.
Tazer
Originally posted by Zack FairHis powers were still somewhat in tact and like anything it doesn't translate into his power or his punches being island wrecking against his foes. If Ronnie Coleman outlifts mike tyson it doesn't mean he can punch with more force or ferocity than tyson.
True the sun revitalized him, but he wasn't in top shape with that piece of kryptonite on his ribs and the entire island being made out of kryptonite.It was all kind of dumb, because he is instantly depowered upon landing on the island, and later he gets to lift the entire thing out of orbit. Guess they were trying to highlight Superman's will.
Originally posted by TazerWhat does it matter since he wields his weapon the entire time. Whuile depowered he was getting hit by cars and survived a blow from the destroy albeit a bitchslap.
Yo.he was NOT dropping them @ spr-spd; sure he was dropping them fast, and theres was that 1 point where he nailed about 6+ in a straight line, but the *only* speed feats he had in that scene were twirling & waving around Mjolnir, and using it to spit those ice chunks out like bullets @ the SGs.
have we seen anything in this movie that showed Thor is more durable or stronger than *any other* Asgardian, when he DOESNT have Mjolnir?? no. if U've seen it, plz tell me the scene & I'll re-watch it.
surviving the D-armor says alot for a persons durability, and thats not something we really saw much of in this film, whereas in SR we actually saw how much punishment Supes basically *ignores*, which gives us a marker for how much MORE dmg Thor would need to do to get any reaction out of him beyond mild annoyance (that previously mentioned "ice bullet atk" isnt gonna do squat to him), and nothing seen in this movie shows him dominating this fight. not even close.
in the comics most of the exotic stuff is tied to Mjolnir no question, BUT even w/o it Thor can tank most of the same stuff that Supes could.........however I dont see that same "tankability" here; movie-T hasnt shown us that he can/could withstand the level of punishment that a *single blow* from movie-S is capable of dealing based on pure STR. that might get addressed in the Avengers (which Im hoping it does, actually), but until then theres ZERO proof he can do it.
and flipside here is that we've seen movie-S [B]would be able
to tank a good/great chunk of wat Movie-T can throw at him.I do think its possible for movie-T to win, but like I said thats only due to Mjolnir and it definitely isnt for a majority.
Tazer [/B]
Superman's fighting skills were less than luthor henchmen and without the sun giving him access to his powers which Thor can effectively block out with his powers Superman's in for it.
What ? Movie superman was getting knocked around by manholes and struggled with trucks ? A bullet breaking on his eye isn't anywhere near impressive enough to bolster tanking Thor's hammer. I don't even need to prove Thor's strength since it's obvious every asgardian had super strength compared to humans and the fact Thor has his hammer at all times and tanked anything thrown at him the entire movie with ease.
Superman didn't show he can continually tank Thor's hammer he didn't even fight anyone with super powers the entire film. The guy was handily beaten up by human beings who through Luthor outsmarted Superman yet again.
Thor's hammer is as much a part of him as Superman's reliance on the sun for his powers. You don't argue Thor minus the hammer.