Originally posted by jinXed by JaNxRocky's strategy tired him out. Rocky couldn't tank his punches hence the taunting block all his haymakers strategy. He tanked Drago's blows for fifteen rounds. Lang destroys Drago.
I personally don't see any argument to be made here. Lang did beat, Rocky but we were lead to believe, Rocky had become complacent and relatively out of shape. Once, Rocky employed a realistic and strategic fighting style other than brawling, he pretty much decimated, Lang.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Rocky's strategy tired him out. Rocky couldn't tank his punches hence the taunting block all his haymakers strategy. He tanked Drago's blows for fifteen rounds. Lang destroys Drago.
Watch the clip juggerman posted, Rocky took 15+ hard shots to the face from Lang in just one instance. Did that KO Rocky? Nope.
Originally posted by PsychotronThe point is he tanked a lot more than 15 punches from Drago. He didn't need to block them or tire him out.
Watch the clip juggerman posted, Rocky took 15+ hard shots to the face from Lang in just one instance. Did that KO Rocky? Nope.
Lang crushed him whereas Drago never beat him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is he tanked a lot more than 15 punches from Drago. He didn't need to block them or tire him out.Lang crushed him whereas Drago never beat him.
The point is, you ignored the fact that Rocky had another years worth of training for Drago.
Rokcy with a years less training beat Lang in 3 rounds.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroRocky needed to develop speed aka Creed speed. He didn't need to do so against Drago. He just weathered that guys attacks for fifteen rounds and never once beat him.
The point is, you ignored the fact that Rocky had another years worth of training for Drago.Rokcy with a years less training beat Lang in 3 rounds.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Rocky needed to develop speed aka Creed speed. He didn't need to do so against Drago. He just weathered that guys attacks for fifteen rounds and never once beat him.
Rocky already had that speed for Drago, but needed additional stamina, endurance and strength for Drago than what he had against Lang.
You can't ignore a years worth of additional training. With less, he defeated Lang, with more than what he had against Lang, he defeated Drago in a much, MUCH longer match, 5 times the length.
Also, it has been pointed out that Rocky wasn't focused during his first match with Lang, if you are going to point at context, Rocky was more than a little distracted during that first fight. How can you even bring that up as a measuring bar?
Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is he tanked a lot more than 15 punches from Drago. He didn't need to block them or tire him out.Lang crushed him whereas Drago never beat him.
He didn't need to block a lot of Lang's punches either, and Rocky NEVER mocked Drago the way he did Lang.
He beat a weaker, unfocused Rocky.
Originally posted by Psychotron
You can see Rocky trying to dodge right in first round. Not very successfully because of Drago's long reach.Are you blind? Rocky goes down twice in round 2. The second time is like 30-40 seconds after the first one. And that clip has Rocky tank 15+ face shots from Lang without blocking, too.
He didn't try.
You said he went down twice in the first round
Originally posted by Robtard
WTF, dude. He's against the pillar just taking hits that are making his head bobble back and forth in an effort to enrage Lang and you think it's safer to assume he's suddenly dodging and blocking the ones we don't see but only hear?At 2:01 Rocky has his left hand up and takes the hit to the right side of his head; that hit utterly rocked his head and his body over; it was not blocked.
I misread you then, apologies. Your argument that Lang hits harder is faulty, considering what we know of Drago and how he was specifically portrayed. But that's not the topic, so meh.
I said blocked not dodged. His hands were up when we see him next. That indicates blocking
His left hand is up on the close up but the far away shot shows both his hands up. That hit was absorbed by the glove
I agree he was "supposed" to be the hardest hitter but given the actual portrayals of both it honestly shows Clubber as the superior striker. We normally go off of feats and not hype here right?
Originally posted by Psychotron
He didn't need to block a lot of Lang's punches either, and Rocky NEVER mocked Drago the way he did Lang.He beat a weaker, unfocused Rocky.
Yes he did. That was the whole point of training with Creed. He needed to be able to dodge and block since he couldn't tank his hits. Something he didn't need to do with Drago
Originally posted by focus4chumps
lang put no worse a beating on rocky than apollo creed.drago, unlike the others, gave rocky brain damage.
source: rocky 5 opening scene.
He took Creed's hits but could not take Lang's
That's true but Lang didn't get 15 rounds of pretty much uncontested head shots. He had to avoid Lang but charged Drago with his face. That alone shows who Rocky felt hit harder
You need to stop ignoring that in their first match, Rocky was not in good figthing shape or mentallity and had spent the last decade fighting chumps.
Second match, Rocky took Lang's hits and mocked him for more. I posted the clip were Rocky litterally sticks his face forward and asked Lang to punch him.
Originally posted by juggerman
Yes he did. That was the whole point of training with Creed. He needed to be able to dodge and block since he couldn't tank his hits. Something he didn't need to do with Drago
He didn't need to do it because he already had those skills at that point. Rocky's training for Drago was all about strength and stamina.
Originally posted by juggerman
He didn't try.You said he went down twice in the first round
He sure did.
Okay, fine. It was the second round. It doesn't matter.
Originally posted by juggerman
That's just plain untrue. He took 4 that we saw and then had his hands up blocking when we see him next. He took 4 at once not 15
That's bullshit. Watch the clip you posted. Starting at 3:00 Clubber wails on Rocky. Just in that instance I counted 26 unblocked hits to the face before Rocky falls down. Then he got right back up. Lang ain't shit.