Clubber Lang vs. Ivan Drago

Originally posted by juggerman
Ok:

1. He did have a strategy. He implemented the entire first round and the beginning of the second. You're pointing out where Clubber broke thru Rocky's defense and trying to act as if Rocky was never trying to avoid him to begin with.

2. Yes he took an ass load of shots from Clubber there but far less than the 15 rounds worth he took from Drago. And again after taking those hits from Lang he NEEDED to change his strategy an avoid taking so many hits. With Drago he did just fine taking all those head shots and never needed to block and dodge like he did with Lang

His strategy was to mock Lang, and make him tire himself out. He did that by punching Rocky in the face a whole lot.

Rocky went 15 rounds with Drago because he knocked out Lang in 3. It's that simple. Rocky easily took Lang's shots and mocked him. There's no doubt he could have fought him for another 12 rounds or more.

Originally posted by Psychotron
His strategy was to mock Lang, and make him tire himself out. He did that by punching Rocky in the face a whole lot.

Rocky went 15 rounds with Drago because he knocked out Lang in 3. It's that simple. Rocky easily took Lang's shots and mocked him. There's no doubt he could have fought him for another 12 rounds or more.

That was his strategy AFTER his first plan failed. Just watch the first round to see what his plan was. Once that didn't work he moved on to a different plan which involved a lot of blocking and taunting.

You've avoided the point again. He allowed Drago to punch him in the head for 15 rounds. He never had to avoid his hits. He couldn't even take Clubber's hits for a full round before deciding he needed to block and tire him out. He would not have been able to take Clubber's hits as well as he took Drago's and that's proven by his need to avoid them

Originally posted by juggerman
That was his strategy AFTER his first plan failed. Just watch the first round to see what his plan was. Once that didn't work he moved on to a different plan which involved a lot of blocking and taunting.

You've avoided the point again. He allowed Drago to punch him in the head for 15 rounds. He never had to avoid his hits. He couldn't even take Clubber's hits for a full round before deciding he needed to block and tire him out. He would not have been able to take Clubber's hits as well as he took Drago's and that's proven by his need to avoid them

So what are you saying? Rocky's was plan was originally to dodge and out-fight Lang, but decided that it was easier to just block his fists with his face? Because that's what happened. Rocky did block and dodge some of Clubber's hits, but he still tanked an overwhelming amount with his face and body.

I'm not dodging anything. He let Drago punch him, and he let Lang punch him. I don't what you saw, but what I saw was 26 hard punches to the head in the span of 90 or so seconds. Didn't even slow Rocky down. Compare that to Drago sending Rocky flying with a single punch, or literally killing Creed.

Originally posted by Psychotron
So what are you saying? Rocky's was plan was originally to dodge and out-fight Lang, but decided that it was easier to just block his fists with his face? Because that's what happened. Rocky did block and dodge some of Clubber's hits, but he still tanked an overwhelming amount with his face and body.

I'm not dodging anything. He let Drago punch him, and he let Lang punch him. I don't what you saw, but what I saw was 26 hard punches to the head in the span of 90 or so seconds. Didn't even slow Rocky down. Compare that to Drago sending Rocky flying with a single punch, or literally killing Creed.

That's not what happened. He tried to avoid all the hits and then got caught. He was beaten for awhile and then switched tactics by baiting Clubber and then blocking and dodging.

He did not let Lang punch him. He tried to avoid Lang. Then Lang caught him and ruined his plan so he made up a new one on the spot. He never needed Drago to miss him cuz he could take those hits easier than Lang's.

His hits didn't slow Rocky down? They almost KO'd him. Did you even watch the fight? And Drago sent him flying off a cheap shot as he was trying to get up. He never sent him flying while he was on balance.

Originally posted by juggerman
That's not what happened. He tried to avoid all the hits and then got caught. He was beaten for awhile and then switched tactics by baiting Clubber and then blocking and dodging.

He did not let Lang punch him. He tried to avoid Lang. Then Lang caught him and ruined his plan so he made up a new one on the spot. He never needed Drago to miss him cuz he could take those hits easier than Lang's.

His hits didn't slow Rocky down? They almost KO'd him. Did you even watch the fight? And Drago sent him flying off a cheap shot as he was trying to get up. He never sent him flying while he was on balance.

The movie proved that Rocky could take Lang's best hits. It's irrelevant if Rocky felt or didn't feel he could, because we have on-screen proof that he can. In the real world just those 26 unguarded hits would land you in the hospital or in the morgue, and yet Rocky tanked them and kept going.

They did not. He knocked Rocky down, but Rocky got back almost instantly, and mocked Lang. Cheap, or not it still takes a massive amount of force to move someone like that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lang wins. Rocky could and did tank Drago's punches and illegal after the round punches as well. We saw what happened in the first fight when Rocky took Lang's punches.

Anyways, this dupe thread needs to be closed.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The movie proved that Rocky could take Lang's best hits. It's irrelevant if Rocky felt or didn't feel he could, because we have on-screen proof that he can. In the real world just those 26 unguarded hits would land you in the hospital or in the morgue, and yet Rocky tanked them and kept going.

They did not. He knocked Rocky down, but Rocky got back almost instantly, and mocked Lang. Cheap, or not it still takes a massive amount of force to move someone like that.

Go thing this isn't the real world we are talking about. Rocky's durability is the stuff of super humans. But it matters a great deal what Rocky thought since we can judge whose hits were more of a worry to him. He could not take Lang's and decided his best course of action was to avoid them at all costs. He had no trouble taking Ivan's tho.

They did. He did not get up instantly. And it doesn't take a massive amount of energy to send someone backwards like that when they are totally off balance and leaning backwards and to basically take a running start and punch them. Pretty much anyone could have done that

Originally posted by Epicurus
Rocky easily tanked his hits in the 2nd fight

Well that's just a lie

Originally posted by juggerman
Go thing this isn't the real world we are talking about. Rocky's durability is the stuff of super humans. But it matters a great deal what Rocky thought since we can judge whose hits were more of a worry to him. He could not take Lang's and decided his best course of action was to avoid them at all costs. He had no trouble taking Ivan's tho.

They did. He did not get up instantly. And it doesn't take a massive amount of energy to send someone backwards like that when they are totally off balance and leaning backwards and to basically take a running start and punch them. Pretty much anyone could have done that

Rocky may have initially thought he couldn't go toe to toe with Clubber, but he did and that's all that matters. Clubber hit him with all he had and couldn't knock him out.

No they didn't. They didn't even stagger him for more than 5 seconds. And it happened twice. Rocky annihilated Lang like no one else he ever fought. Creed, Drago, Gunn, Mayson all lasted a lot longer. Drago would absolutely rape Lang. He'd probably kill him in 30 seconds.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Rocky may have initially thought he couldn't go toe to toe with Clubber, but he did and that's all that matters. Clubber hit him with all he had and couldn't knock him out.

No they didn't. They didn't even stagger him for more than 5 seconds. And it happened twice. Rocky annihilated Lang like no one else he ever fought. Creed, Drago, Gunn, Mayson all lasted a lot longer. Drago would absolutely rape Lang. He'd probably kill him in 30 seconds.

Same for Drago. Difference is Rocky could not take Clubber's shot and had to avoid them. He took Drago's hits without needing to block or dodge

Again i don't think Lang would beat Drago. Drago is the better boxer and has loads more stamina. Lang just hits harder

Originally posted by juggerman
Same for Drago. Difference is Rocky could not take Clubber's shot and had to avoid them. He took Drago's hits without needing to block or dodge

Again i don't think Lang would beat Drago. Drago is the better boxer and has loads more stamina. Lang just hits harder

No. Stop acting like Rocky didn't take any hits from Clubber. He did, he took a lot of them. And don't ignore the fact that Rocky was stronger and tougher in his fight with Drago.

Based on what? Lang's only decent accomplishment is beating an out of shape, emotionally distraught, distracted Rocky. Drago had legit superhuman strength and killed Creed in 2 rounds. He's far more impressive.

Originally posted by Psychotron
No. Stop acting like Rocky didn't take any hits from Clubber. He did, he took a lot of them. And don't ignore the fact that Rocky was stronger and tougher in his fight with Drago.

Based on what? Lang's only decent accomplishment is beating an out of shape, emotionally distraught, distracted Rocky. Drago had legit superhuman strength and killed Creed in 2 rounds. He's far more impressive.

I'm not. He did hit him. But stop ignoring the fact that he tried to avoid those hits and only got hit when Clubber broke his defense. With Drago he never needed that defense

Based on Rocky's own actions. He could takes Drago's hits without issue and used his head as a target for Drago while he tried to get inside. With Lang that wasn't an option. Him needing to avoid Lang but him easily absorbing Drago is the proof. You just ignore it

Originally posted by juggerman
I'm not. He did hit him. But stop ignoring the fact that he tried to avoid those hits and only got hit when Clubber broke his defense. With Drago he never needed that defense

Based on Rocky's own actions. He could takes Drago's hits without issue and used his head as a target for Drago while he tried to get inside. With Lang that wasn't an option. Him needing to avoid Lang but him easily absorbing Drago is the proof. You just ignore it

It's natural to try to avoid hits. But the fact is Rocky tanked everything Clubber threw at him, thus Clubber's punching power was not greater than Drago's. Let's also not ignore that he did try to dodge some of Drago's hits, but couldn't because of Drago's superior reach. Rocky tanked Drago's hits in order to get inside, something he didn't have to do against Lang.

He didn't need to avoid Lang, he simply chose to. There is a difference. If he really needed to he wouldn't be able to take 26 shots from Lang in about minute.

Originally posted by Psychotron
It's natural to try to avoid hits. But the fact is Rocky tanked everything Clubber threw at him, thus Clubber's punching power was not greater than Drago's. Let's also not ignore that he did try to dodge some of Drago's hits, but couldn't because of Drago's superior reach. Rocky tanked Drago's hits in order to get inside, something he didn't have to do against Lang.

He didn't need to avoid Lang, he simply chose to. There is a difference. If he really needed to he wouldn't be able to take 26 shots from Lang in about minute.

It's not natural for Rocky. His fighting style revolves around hit tanking shots until he gets an opening. That's how he fought Creed, that's how he fought Drago and that's how he fought Lang the first time. The difference is that there was only one man that forced Rocky to change tactics. And that wasn't Drago

He did. Lang hit too hard for him to continuously take the hits. I'm not saying Clubber could one shot Rocky since no matter how you slice it Rocky's durability is extremely high. But he still needed to do something other than go blow for blow like he does with everyone else.

He relies heavily on his ability to take the opponents hits and basically outlast them. Look and his fights with Apollo. Creed hit Rocky WAY more than Rocky hit Creed. Same with Drago. He never had to stray from this until Lang. And then afterwards nobody has been able to get him to stray from it again. If it ain't broke..... Clubber Lang was the exception. He broke it

Drago took Rocky's punches for 15 rounds, Clubber didn't even last 3.

Drago wins.

We know

Originally posted by juggerman
It's not natural for Rocky. His fighting style revolves around hit tanking shots until he gets an opening. That's how he fought Creed, that's how he fought Drago and that's how he fought Lang the first time. The difference is that there was only one man that forced Rocky to change tactics. And that wasn't Drago

He did. Lang hit too hard for him to continuously take the hits. I'm not saying Clubber could one shot Rocky since no matter how you slice it Rocky's durability is extremely high. But he still needed to do something other than go blow for blow like he does with everyone else.

He relies heavily on his ability to take the opponents hits and basically outlast them. Look and his fights with Apollo. Creed hit Rocky WAY more than Rocky hit Creed. Same with Drago. He never had to stray from this until Lang. And then afterwards nobody has been able to get him to stray from it again. If it ain't broke..... Clubber Lang was the exception. He broke it

Your entire argument is based on the fact that Rocky dodged or blocked a few of Lang's hits. That doesn't prove anything. It doesn't prove Rocky can't take Lang's hits, because we see Lang unload on Rocky a few times, and Rocky takes it just fine. You'd have some kind of argument if Rocky was seriously staggered or injured, but this never happens in their rematch. Instead Rocky actively mocks Lang throughout the fight. Rocky tried out the techniques Apollo taught him and that's all it is. He reverted back to his own style when he faced Drago, as it suits him better. Your simply over-analyzing things.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Drago took Rocky's punches for 15 rounds, Clubber didn't even last 3.

Drago wins.

🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Clubber won the first fight. Drago never made it to a second.

🙂

Drago lasted longer than both of Lang's fights combined.

Context. Plus, you can't use the first fight as a measuring stick, because Rocky was distracted.