Originally posted by quanchi112
There's no factual data in this game or any game about the weight of the gorons and we can tell if he was superstrong the ball and chain or his enemies would be easily verpowered but they never are. It's about skill with Link most of the time not this fictitious super strong/bullet resistant Link fanboys have made up in their heads.
That doesn't make it unimpressive. If they are made of rock, even partially, tossing one is a strength feat. The ball and chain looks like a two handed kind of weapon anyway. Not that I've seen any good gameplay for it.
As for enemies being overpowered by insanely strong foes...
At 00:50 seconds, this guy cuts through several buildings like butter.
At roughly 2:45 he engages normal enemies and cannot kill them in one hit, which he should be able to do considering what he did not two minutes earlier right? This suggests the enemies are either more durable than buildings, unlikely, or that it is an inconsistency.
Or if that example is too awesome for ya, given the game obviously, how about this example.
QTE events aside, Kratos does not seem to one hit every enemy here. And by his massive strength feats, he should be able to. Why? Are the enemies that badass or is it an inconsistency? My money is on the latter. And you know what? That is just fine.
Games are boring and awful if the AI cannot pose a conceivable threat. As such, we ignoring the fact that super strong characters can't kill a lot of tiny enemies in one hit. Because it is necessary for a good game to have at least some challenge. God Of War, Zelda, MK, Street Fighter, hell even Pokemon, need to tone things down for gameplay. This is necessity.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont see Ganon doing it, lets see the whole clip please 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ex-Cpsnkyo
Originally posted by quanchi112
Mk is full of powerful sorcerers who have soul sucked modern day earth. That's a heckuva of a lot more impressive than anything the seven sages did but I bet you didn't play the game either.
You have yet to offer proof for this. Anyway, Ganondorf and Link currently can resist that so it doesn't much matter here. What the Sages did to Past Ganondorf has no bearing on Present Ganondorf, who unless you forget broke the Mirror of Twilight later.
Quan Chi can also open portals pretty much anywhere and he could easily bfr Dorf at will. Dorf needs someone else to get back just like he needed Zant in the game. Quan Chi can take out Dorf by himself.
He needed Zant once, after he fed on enough Twilight power he could open portals at will, too. That tactic no longer works, as Present Ganondorf > Past Ganondorf, who is the one you're downplaying.
I'm sick of your emotional outbursts. Secondly, Link doesn't have super strength anywhere in the game he has the gear and amount of strength to finish the job.
Stop ignoring the strength Link has shown. Remember this? Link pushes that metal block and pulls up a chandelier. Not to mention throwing Dangoro and Blizzeta that clearly show superhuman strength. Heck, check out this with Link pushing more solid metal blocks.
Bo also outwrestled the gorons with the boots and we've seen Link wield a ball and chain which is nowhere near 1ton let alone 200 tons completely destroying your argument which is based off of speculation as you cannot provide weight for any Goron whatsoever outside of wishful thinking.
No, that doesn't ruin anything, really. Bo is clearly almost as strong as Link, since he can wrestle Gorons. I mean, the man has tusks, do you think that is human? The Ball and Chain still isn't what you want it to be, and it doesn't override the three other instances of strength that I've shown you. He wields it perfectly fine, just carries it awkwardly.
There's no factual data in this game or any game about the weight of the gorons and we can tell if he was superstrong the ball and chain or his enemies would be easily verpowered but they never are. It's about skill with Link most of the time not this fictitious super strong/bullet resistant Link fanboys have made up in their heads.
Gorons are made of rock and Dangoro was wearing metal armor; you don't need math to tell that throwing them is superhuman. Heck, the Ball and Chain breaks the suits of armor it hits and Link can shatter boulders with it, he's clearly extremely strong in addition to his obvious super strength. Do you really breaking armor and giant ice blocks is human strength?
I do acknowledge evidence not speculation you and a few others misrepresent.
It's not misrepresented, so I must ask you to please stop ignoring it. I have provided you with plenty of examples of Link's strength.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm sick of your emotional outbursts.
You haven't seen one. How is that even possible? Unless...I know what you are.
Behold, world! Observe Quan's true form!
Originally posted by quanchi112
Secondly, Link doesn't have super strength anywhere in the game he has the gear and amount of strength to finish the job.
False. Stop lying, trolling, posting, breathing, and attempting to think. If you stop breathing you can make all of those happen without too much trouble. So go for that one.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Bo also outwrestled the gorons with the boots and we've seen Link wield a ball and chain which is nowhere near 1ton let alone 200 tons completely destroying your argument which is based off of speculation as you cannot provide weight for any Goron whatsoever outside of wishful thinking.
Bo's got tusks growing out of his upper lip. Abnormal man is abnormal.
Right, because I know I can always life 50 pounds easily, no matter how large it is. And you can too. That's why I'll get this weightless box about 100 ft in all dimensions, stick fifty pounds in it, and you'll carry it around no problem at all. The Ball and Chain does not prove a damn thing for you.
Originally posted by quanchi112
There's no factual data in this game or any game about the weight of the gorons and we can tell if he was superstrong the ball and chain or his enemies would be easily verpowered but they never are. It's about skill with Link most of the time not this fictitious super strong/bullet resistant Link fanboys have made up in their heads.
There aren't any factual numbers in like, any of these games, bro. That doesn't mean nothing can be proven. There is nothing to support your conclusions, and the ones that you face are what have the evidence.
I'm right.
You're wrong.
Deal.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I do acknowledge evidence
Prove it.
Wouldn't Link's movements with the Ball and Chain be the same thing as needing the boots against Goron's? The momentum of it spinning over his head would be hard for his lighter body. (Like how the... lizard guy thing who has weight over Link can move easier) ~Meh.
Oh and I recall being able to lift Dangoro without needing the Iron Boots on. (When you slash his gut)
Originally posted by ScreamPasteIt didn't take an assload of prep time nor do I even see them as needing to do so as most of hyrule is easily dealt with by the tarkatans and shokan alone in an invasion.
Not something they can replicate here, nor a solo feat. Took an assload of time and prep, and didn't work on anyone with even the tiniest sliver of resistance.He can open a portal anywhere he likes, he's physically incapable of forcing Ganondorf through it, or even harming him. Ganon strikes him with lightning, he dies.
We're sick of your trolling.
See, trolling. 😬
Ganon turns the cast of MK into fish.
Most of hyrule doesn't have any sort of resistance to this so their armies would indeed be decimated.
Ganondorf's lightning has killed who again ? Raiden is the god of thunder and has survived a battle being shot left and right. LOL. These arguments are embarrassing nor does his so called lightning kill Link on impact.
So disagreeing with you is trolling. Go back to msn and regroup.
Based on what ?
If Link was portrayed as having super strength he'd mow through his enemies with it but instead needs skill to defeat the knights, etc. he also wielded the ball and chain with two arms as opposed to the enemy's one arm.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelIt's an inconsistent feat with a gear item to make it even possible as if he's outweighed he can be easily shoved around. It doesn't translate into foes being unable to counter his strength as most of the fights come down to skill level. If feats are inconsistent you always go with portrayal because that's how these characters are intended but fanboys see a few feats and alter the character vastly in order of their own personal preference.
That doesn't make it unimpressive. If they are made of rock, even partially, tossing one is a strength feat. The ball and chain looks like a two handed kind of weapon anyway. Not that I've seen any good gameplay for it.As for enemies being overpowered by insanely strong foes...
At 00:50 seconds, this guy cuts through several buildings like butter.
At roughly 2:45 he engages normal enemies and cannot kill them in one hit, which he should be able to do considering what he did not two minutes earlier right? This suggests the enemies are either more durable than buildings, unlikely, or that it is an inconsistency.
Or if that example is too awesome for ya, given the game obviously, how about this example.
QTE events aside, Kratos does not seem to one hit every enemy here. And by his massive strength feats, he should be able to. Why? Are the enemies that badass or is it an inconsistency? My money is on the latter. And you know what? That is just fine.
Games are boring and awful if the AI cannot pose a conceivable threat. As such, we ignoring the fact that super strong characters can't kill a lot of tiny enemies in one hit. Because it is necessary for a good game to have at least some challenge. God Of War, Zelda, MK, Street Fighter, hell even Pokemon, need to tone things down for gameplay. This is necessity.
Most of these videos just highlight fictional creators inconsistencies which usually happen in every medium and unlike Link Kratos is portrayed as very strong but can't cut down his enemies with a single swipe. Kratos is one of the best warriors out there and he can't solo armies at his normal size either. But back to my point he's portrayed as very strong in his own game unlike Link who needs help in learning techniques other warriors have also accomplished who aren't super strong the feats are just inconsistent.
Originally posted by The ScenarioThe mirror was an item they could use to bfr him. He had no way of returning on his own. The mk fighters don't need an item to banish someone as they can open portals on their own dorf cannot return from as evidenced by twilight princess.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ex-CpsnkyoYou have yet to offer proof for this. Anyway, Ganondorf and Link currently can resist that so it doesn't much matter here. What the Sages did to Past Ganondorf has no bearing on Present Ganondorf, who unless you forget broke the Mirror of Twilight later.
He needed Zant once, after he fed on enough Twilight power he could open portals at will, too. That tactic no longer works, as Present Ganondorf > Past Ganondorf, who is the one you're downplaying.
Stop ignoring the strength Link has shown. Remember this? Link pushes that metal block and pulls up a chandelier. Not to mention throwing Dangoro and Blizzeta that clearly show superhuman strength. Heck, check out this with Link pushing more solid metal blocks.
No, that doesn't ruin anything, really. Bo is clearly almost as strong as Link, since he can wrestle Gorons. I mean, the man has tusks, do you think that is human? The Ball and Chain still isn't what you want it to be, and it doesn't override the three other instances of strength that I've shown you. He wields it perfectly fine, just carries it awkwardly.
Gorons are made of rock and Dangoro was wearing metal armor; you don't need math to tell that throwing them is superhuman. Heck, the Ball and Chain breaks the suits of armor it hits and Link can shatter boulders with it, he's clearly extremely strong in addition to his obvious super strength. Do you really breaking armor and giant ice blocks is human strength?
It's not misrepresented, so I must ask you to please stop ignoring it. I have provided you with plenty of examples of Link's strength.
Dorf needed Zant until he was back into hyrule then he no longer needed him. We also see zant sever his ties with Dorf after Link stabs him so up until then he most likely still depended on zant. Like I said without Zant Dorf would have never made it back on his own under his own power hence him even using Zant in the first place.
Inconsistent feats don't undermine his portrayal. he wasn't mowing through enemies due to super strength so even his knight opponents could block his strikes because Link isn't super strong just strong enough and skilled enough to get the job done.
Bo is just another normal guy who with the boots can wrestle with Gorons. Both Bo and Link can't physically match up with someone who far outweighs them so they need the boots to make up the weight difference which drastically alters his mobility.
I said Link is stronger than human strength but he's nowhere near as strong or hits with as much force as say Shao Kahn. Kintaro, Goro, etc. These guys can send enemies back 30 feet or more with a strike unlike Link. It's about portrayal not only that but Link's size becomes an issue because he lacks the weight to physically engage them if he loses his sword.
I've played the game and you're exaggerating feats which ignore his portrayal throughout the game to the point you claim Boron has super strength to.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeIt's about portrayal not feat hyping.
You haven't seen one. How is that even possible? Unless...I know what you are.Behold, world! Observe Quan's true form!
False. Stop lying, trolling, posting, breathing, and attempting to think. If you stop breathing you can make all of those happen without too much trouble. So go for that one.
Bo's got tusks growing out of his upper lip. Abnormal man is abnormal.
Right, because I know I can always life 50 pounds easily, no matter how large it is. And you can too. That's why I'll get this weightless box about 100 ft in all dimensions, stick fifty pounds in it, and you'll carry it around no problem at all. The Ball and Chain does not prove a damn thing for you.
There aren't any factual numbers in like, any of these games, bro. That doesn't mean nothing can be proven. There is nothing to support your conclusions, and the ones that you face are what have the evidence.
I'm right.
You're wrong.
Deal.
Prove it.
You claimed Link can lift about hundred times more than the ball and chain so something that miniscule to his max out lifting strength shouldn't be hard to wield considering the enemy did so with one arm. Boom.
Portrayal says I am right and you are wrong.
Link's stronger than a human but isn't portrayed as strong as the upper top tier characters of mk have been consistently portrayed against their peers.
What evidence have I ignored ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's about portrayal not feat hyping.You claimed Link can lift about hundred times more than the ball and chain so something that miniscule to his max out lifting strength shouldn't be hard to wield considering the enemy did so with one arm. Boom.
Portrayal says I am right and you are wrong.
Link's stronger than a human but isn't portrayed as strong as the upper top tier characters of mk have been consistently portrayed against their peers.
What evidence have I ignored ?
No. It's about you downplaying everything that you don't like.
See my own previous argument, and the previous arguments on the subject from others. I'm not going to repeat things if you're just going to continue trolling me. So you better start coming up with some new bullshit to throw around, or else you'll have to find someone else to try and cross your bridge.
No, it doesn't. In fact, it's the opposite.
I'm not going to do your work for you, bro. You claimed you don't ignore evidence. Find some you didn't. I know how much you hate finding evidence. But, well, that's just too damn bad. Suck it up you big crybaby.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's an inconsistent feat with a gear item to make it even possible as if he's outweighed he can be easily shoved around. It doesn't translate into foes being unable to counter his strength as most of the fights come down to skill level. If feats are inconsistent you always go with portrayal because that's how these characters are intended but fanboys see a few feats and alter the character vastly in order of their own personal preference.Most of these videos just highlight fictional creators inconsistencies which usually happen in every medium and unlike Link Kratos is portrayed as very strong but can't cut down his enemies with a single swipe. Kratos is one of the best warriors out there and he can't solo armies at his normal size either. But back to my point he's portrayed as very strong in his own game unlike Link who needs help in learning techniques other warriors have also accomplished who aren't super strong the feats are just inconsistent.
Why does one have to be only skilled or only super strong? Why can't Link be both really strong and really skilled? That is how I see his portrayal and he has done things that required strength since...well the first game. Sometimes it takes items, here it doesn't. In this game, Link needs the boots because he is too light to stop a Goron, not because they increase his arm strength. That is how the situation is portrayed.
Why again is Link not portrayed as very strong? Why? Because his games tend to revolve more around puzzles than combat? That is garbage. If he does some strong things, they are by rights his feats. Just like Kratos.
You're logic of thinking, while something I think really does need to be considered in order to think of more interesting fights among these characters, is faulty. For example: The guy from the first video and Link are very similar. Both are portrayed as young androgynous teens who get their powers from items, particularly magical swords. Both are young but capable adventurers who save the day and blah blah blah. Who would win in a fight between the two? Arguing for portrayal basically makes this a tie correct?
Originally posted by quanchi112
The mirror was an item they could use to bfr him. He had no way of returning on his own. The mk fighters don't need an item to banish someone as they can open portals on their own dorf cannot return from as evidenced by twilight princess.
The key word there is "had." Past tense, as in that is not a problem for Present Ganondorf. What with his ability to open portals at will. Which he did during the Ganon fight. So BFR is no longer an effective tactic.
Dorf needed Zant until he was back into hyrule then he no longer needed him. We also see zant sever his ties with Dorf after Link stabs him so up until then he most likely still depended on zant. Like I said without Zant Dorf would have never made it back on his own under his own power hence him even using Zant in the first place.
I admit he did need Zant after first getting banished to the Twilight Realm. But if you remember, Ganondorf successfully convinced Zant was a god and gave him power, all the while Ganondorf was feeding on the Twili's hate. Once he was back to full strength he didn't need Zant to get into Hyrule. What you are describing is a near death Ganondorf, after the Master Sword canceled his powers. We don't know what Zant even did, since he was dead by that point, and Ganondorf had been going without him for quite a while. Ganondorf used him once, yes, but he didn't need him anymore.
Inconsistent feats don't undermine his portrayal. he wasn't mowing through enemies due to super strength so even his knight opponents could block his strikes because Link isn't super strong just strong enough and skilled enough to get the job done.
And just strong enough to get the job done is still clearly superhuman, since if he was not super strong, he could not have performed those feats. They are not even inconsistent, since I have been able to show you multiple examples of this strength. It's a lot more than a few.
Bo is just another normal guy who with the boots can wrestle with Gorons. Both Bo and Link can't physically match up with someone who far outweighs them so they need the boots to make up the weight difference which drastically alters his mobility.
False. Bo can wrestle with Gorons, so he's clearly superhuman in some way. Plus, do you not notice the tusks on his face? That's not something humans have. However, you're right in that the heavier person has an advantage, but that does not disprove the super strength both would need to push Gorons around.
I said Link is stronger than human strength but he's nowhere near as strong or hits with as much force as say Shao Kahn. Kintaro, Goro, etc. These guys can send enemies back 30 feet or more with a strike unlike Link. It's about portrayal not only that but Link's size becomes an issue because he lacks the weight to physically engage them if he loses his sword.
Prove it. I have shown you a video of Link tossing a giant mass of ice 30 feet, that's demonstrably stronger than throwing one guy. Throwing Dangoro is likewise a superior feat of strength. So is pushing a large block of metal. Honestly, Link is massively stronger than just throwing one human.
I've played the game and you're exaggerating feats which ignore his portrayal throughout the game to the point you claim Boron has super strength to. It's about portrayal not feat hyping.
Bo does have super strength, at least if that Goron wrestling story is true. Link's portrayal is indeed super strong, as I have shown you many times. Bo even describes Link as much stronger than he used to be, and he's clearly strong enough to kill giant monsters, as he has always been portrayed.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Funnily enough that would still make Link demonstratably stronger than everyone in MK.Though no, if you are under the impression Dangoro weighs 5-10 tons, you need to leave now.
Dangoro's weight is speculation.
If Link was transported to MK I don't see him out muscling anyone. His skills will be tested to their limit though.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1) Your focusing on Dangoro, who is a [b]low showing. Why you choose to focus on a feat that occurs early on in the game, when Link has a better one, I don't know.
2) Stop guesstimating and do some actual math, if you just want to throw numbers around, boyo. Show your work.
3) Drop the preconceived notions, and pay attention to feats.Overpowering Ganondorf end game puts TP Link above OoT Link with the GG's in terms of strength. This makes him incredibly physically powerful.
By feats, yes he can. Ohnoes, ageless sorcerers. A meaningless title, and something that can also be applied to Ganon, who has impressive feats. Ganon can whip up his own army to troll MK into submission if he feels so inclined. The fact that he could physically fly through and punch them all to death (read, hit them once) adds to the awesome.
None of the fighters have any feats that would allow them to hurt Ganondorf. [/B]
But Ganondorf has no strength feats... Only his Ganon form has anything resembling strength feats. And also what makes you think Ganon wouldn't be destroyed by MK fighters?
We know magic can hurt him, we also know magically enchanted weapons can hurt him too, both of which are plentiful in MK.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Wouldn't Link's movements with the Ball and Chain be the same thing as needing the boots against Goron's? The momentum of it spinning over his head would be hard for his lighter body. (Like how the... lizard guy thing who has weight over Link can move easier) ~Meh.Oh and I recall being able to lift Dangoro without needing the Iron Boots on. (When you slash his gut)
Which is why if he was a strong as some fan speculation makes him out to be, that wouldn't be a problem. The greater the super strength the greater one can defy the laws of gravity, via planting his feet etc.
Case in point Spiderman, who's pretty light.
Case in point Spiderman, who's pretty light.You mean the guy who can fly? Telling physics to stfu is easy when anchoring yourself the way he does is part of your powerset. Bad example is bad. If you are light, and something heavy in motion hits you, you're going to ****ing move. 😐 Physics says so.
But Ganondorf has no strength feats... Only his Ganon form has anything resembling strength feats. And also what makes you think Ganon wouldn't be destroyed by MK fighters?
Rarely have I facepalmed so hard. For one, Ganon and Ganondorf use the exact same power source. They both use the ToP, why would one be stronger? For two, Ganon shows he's actively stronger in OoT than Link with the Goldden gauntlets. That is one hell of a good strength feat.
What makes me think he wouldn't be destroyed by MK fighters? The fact that Ganon has neat feats like merging an entire country with another dimension on a whim, playing tennis with lightning, tanking a castle/busting explosion, busting an island, turning off the sun, ect.
Along with powers like TK powerful enough to casually levitate his castle, the ability to become intangible, teleport, clairevoyance/claireaudience, the ability to create monsters and ressurect the dead, so on and so forth.
Shit, you claim all it takes to hurt Ganon is magic and magical weapons, in TP he's hit with a magical weapon so hard, it blows up the castle around him. To use a tried and true example, imagine being kicked in the nuts so hard your house explodes, Ganon wasn't hurt. At all.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteRarely have I facepalmed so hard. For one, Ganon and Ganondorf use the exact same power source. They both use the ToP, why would one be stronger? For two, Ganon shows he's actively stronger in OoT than Link with the Goldden gauntlets. That is one hell of a good strength feat.
What makes me think he wouldn't be destroyed by MK fighters? The fact that Ganon has neat feats like merging an entire country with another dimension on a whim, playing tennis with lightning, tanking a castle/busting explosion, busting an island, turning off the sun, ect.
Along with powers like TK powerful enough to casually levitate his castle, the ability to become intangible, teleport, clairevoyance/claireaudience, the ability to create monsters and ressurect the dead, so on and so forth.
Shit, you claim all it takes to hurt Ganon is magic and magical weapons, in TP he's hit with a magical weapon so hard, [b]it blows up the castle around him.
To use a tried and true example, imagine being kicked in the nuts so hard your house explodes, Ganon wasn't hurt. At all. [/B]
I dont know why your facepalming, he has a point. Why would Dorf access to TOP at the end of OoT and transform into Ganon (hell why would he transform at all?) if it had the same strength as him. Its larger, has more mass and weight therefore its logical that it has more strength, furthermore its where the feats are coming from not Ganondorf. You used to ask sarcastically (as if it was my claim when it wa not) why Ganon would slow his lightning down, in this case why would he turn into a slower, lumbering beast and use almost purely physical attacks if those attacks were the same as when he was humanoid?
Also you made a few lies in your post:
A- He did not merge it "on a whim", infact theres no indication of what he did to achive said result or if it was him at all, Zant seemed to be the one to me.
B- Lightning stuff, I dont need to say it and neither does anyone else.
C- Tanking a castle busting explosion while in a form completly diverse, asthetically intangible and unique to all others, including the one he usually uses in combat. Theres no indication that he tanked anything, this is an exageration based on events we dont even see and taking context out of the equation.
D- TK levitating castles is unkown, theres no facts to suggest hes constantly holding it up with his TK.
E- It would be pretty damn hard to kick me in the nuts if all I was, was a floating see through, smokey head giving off an animalistic roar....