Mortal Kombat 9 vs. Twilight Princess

Started by ScreamPaste27 pages

Why would Dorf access to TOP at the end of OoT and transform into Ganon (hell why would he transform at all?) if it had the same strength as him.

1. The change has always been involuntary.
2. Watch what you argue here, claiming his abandons magic for greater strength ignores that 2.a, he can still use magic in that form, 2.b, this would imply his physical strength as Ganon > his magical strength as Ganondorf, which I'd be PLENTY okay with, since, you know, Ganondorf with a fraction of his power can merge Hyrule with the twilight realm, and with his power sealed away can bust islands and resist country/possibly world wide time freezes, as well as turn off the sun.

Zant seemed to be the one to me.
Zant had a fraction of Ganon's power.

Tanking a castle busting explosion while in a form completly diverse, asthetically intangible
Nothing says this form is intangible except your own speculation on the subject in an attempt to get rid of the feat, his intangible forms look nothing like this.

- TK levitating castles is unkown, theres no facts to suggest hes constantly holding it up with his TK.

K, he's magically supporting it, he can still create magic forces capable of doing so casually, it's a TK equivalent.

E- It would be pretty damn hard to kick me in the nuts if all I was, was a floating see through, smokey head giving off an animalistic roar....
The forehead, then.

Super-anchoring for super-humans.

So, MK strength is..?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. The change has always been involuntary.
2. Watch what you argue here, claiming his abandons magic for greater strength ignores that 2.a, he can still use magic in that form, 2.b, this would imply his physical strength as Ganon > his magical strength as Ganondorf, which I'd be PLENTY okay with, since, you know, Ganondorf with a fraction of his power can merge Hyrule with the twilight realm, and with his power sealed away can bust islands and resist country/possibly world wide time freezes, as well as turn off the sun.

Zant had a fraction of [b]Ganon's power.

Nothing says this form is intangible except your own speculation on the subject in an attempt to get rid of the feat, his intangible forms look nothing like this.

K, he's magically supporting it, he can still create magic forces capable of doing so casually, it's a TK equivalent.

The forehead, then. [/B]

1. I dont see that, for example in OoT he holds it out to show it glowing on his hand and then powers up, the whole scene indicates it as an improved power.
2. What sort of magic has he displayed in this form, and what form are you refering to because I dont recall much magic in OoT or in TP (the boar I belive?).

Zant had some of Ganons power sure, but that does not mean to say he had no influence himself, was he not King of the twilight realm? why would Ganon use Zant as a vessel for his power if all it took was a whim to merge the realms? infact, why did Zant take over hyrule castle and make Zelda submit before it happened? Zant uses powers Ganon himself does not in combat and simply claiming Zants source of power is Ganons does not argue that Zant has no unique ues for said power. The Twili seem to have their own abilites as well, ala Midna...

But you admit its a form completly different to any others both in shape, make up and appearance? therefore, to argue this is some sort of durability feat, is to argue this form has the feat. You cannot use it to claim every form has this level of strength, not that its that impressive...castles are not that strong...

How do you know he can create magic forces casually to do this? do we even have any indication that hes keeping it afloat? we dont know the specifics enough to claim any feat, only that he "does it somehow" which could mean a long ritual that he did earlier off-screen rather than your belief that he is constantly doing it.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Super-anchoring for super-humans.

So, MK strength is..?

Nothing at the moment apprently, I can see no feats listed in the thread for them other than amibgious claims of what Sorcerors have done in groups, what a few have accomplished without any proof or context 🙁

K, he's magically supporting it, he can still create magic forces capable of doing so casually, it's a TK equivalent.

The question is, is he able to use it in battle? He could have used a ritual, or an artifact to create that effect rather than his own power, if I am understanding the feat correctly. Unless he just waves his hand and causes the thing to rise from the ground right in front of the player.

Exactly, theres no indication Ganon did it all by himself, is constantly doing it or is doing it easily.

So he does it offscreen then? Yeah, no way you can use that as a legitimate feat. Sorry Paste.

was he not King of the twilight realm?
No, and this is a plot point. Only the ruler of Twilight gets the magic of the Twili, that was Midna.

What sort of magic has he displayed in this form
More magic than he's shown outside of it, he spends every game before OoT exclusively in that form, and even some afterward. In OoT he summons a magic ring of flames, and maintains the levitation of his castle. In TP, he actively teleports in this form. If Ganon is indeed more powerful than Ganondorf, SWEET, new feats for the series.
But you admit its a form completly different to any others both in shape, make up and appearance? therefore, to argue this is some sort of durability feat, is to argue this form has the feat. You cannot use it to claim every form has this level of strength, not that its that impressive...castles are not that strong...
This is the same form he approaches Zant in and convinces him that he's a god. It's a coherent, corporeal form, and one he apparently decides isn't very good for fighting in. Probably due to a lack of limbs. To suggest it's his most durable form ignores all of his forms draw on the exact same power and that Ganondorf doesn't use it for combat. I should add in, hitting someone hard enough to blow up a castle around them is an insane durability feat, and one that prevents anyone in MK from hurting him.

How do you know he can create magic forces casually to do this? do we even have any indication that hes keeping it afloat? we dont know the specifics enough to claim any feat, only that he "does it somehow" which could mean a long ritual that he did earlier off-screen rather than your belief that he is constantly doing it.
Honestly a moot point since Zant can beat Midna, Link minus the MS, and a light spirit with TK he borrowed from Ganon.

Short of the full triforce, nothing else on Hyrule compares to the ToP in power, the thing that Ganon is fueled by. The power to levitate the castle comes from here. It's not a feat he needs here, but it's a damn good one.

Short of the full triforce, nothing else on Hyrule compares to the ToP in power, the thing that Ganon is fueled by. The power to levitate the castle comes from here.

Proof?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Short of the full triforce, nothing else on Hyrule compares to the ToP in power, the thing that Ganon is fueled by.

Master Sword?

Oh and teh castle feat isn't really...a feat. 😮

Master Sword?

Okay, I was wrong, shut up! 😛 But it's obviously not lifting the castle for him. >=(

The castle feat's a feat. You think Ganon's underlings turned invisible, wore Goron tunics and piled up underneath the castle? Every enemy in OoT is either created or powered by Ganon, any power that could possibly be lifting that castle comes directly from him.

YouTube video
So, Link, portrayed as super strong, here. TP Link blocks Gohma's attack and when he hits her back she is sent airborne. WUT NAO, QUAN?

Originally posted by The Scenario
The key word there is "had." Past tense, as in that is not a problem for Present Ganondorf. What with his ability to open portals at will. Which he did during the Ganon fight. So BFR is no longer an effective tactic.

I admit he did need Zant after first getting banished to the Twilight Realm. But if you remember, Ganondorf successfully convinced Zant was a god and gave him power, all the while Ganondorf was feeding on the Twili's hate. Once he was back to full strength he didn't need Zant to get into Hyrule. What you are describing is a near death Ganondorf, after the Master Sword canceled his powers. We don't know what Zant even did, since he was dead by that point, and Ganondorf had been going without him for quite a while. Ganondorf used him once, yes, but he didn't need him anymore.

And just strong enough to get the job done is still clearly superhuman, since if he was not super strong, he could not have performed those feats. They are not even inconsistent, since I have been able to show you multiple examples of this strength. It's a lot more than a few.

False. Bo can wrestle with Gorons, so he's clearly superhuman in some way. Plus, do you not notice the tusks on his face? That's not something humans have. However, you're right in that the heavier person has an advantage, but that does not disprove the super strength both would need to push Gorons around.

Prove it. I have shown you a video of Link tossing a giant mass of ice 30 feet, that's demonstrably stronger than throwing one guy. Throwing Dangoro is likewise a superior feat of strength. So is pushing a large block of metal. Honestly, Link is massively stronger than just throwing one human.

Bo does have super strength, at least if that Goron wrestling story is true. Link's portrayal is indeed super strong, as I have shown you many times. Bo even describes Link as much stronger than he used to be, and he's clearly strong enough to kill giant monsters, as he has always been portrayed.

He does still have this problem and can't access different worlds at will just teleport around the same vicinity. Just because Raiden can teleport that doesn't mean he can easily teleport to earth and travel from outworld at will.

Dorf needed him to get back meaning he can't do so under his own powers. That's the whole point. Once he was back in hyrule of course he didn't need zant since he was already back.

The master sword had nothing to do with Zant's actions of moving his neck when he was done with dorf. Nothing. The triforce of power can fail when in contact with a powerful force such as the master sword but guess what it's not the only source of power in video games it's just the one needed in his own realm considering he has the triforce of power it kinda evens things out.

They inconsistent and he's not far above his fellow hyrulians. The point is he is stronger than mostly any human but nowhere near portrayed as some kind of freak in his own universe. All characters pretty much in mk have body ripping in half strength so Link isn't portrayed as being anywhere near as strong as say a four armed monster or Shao Kahn by consistent portrayals.

Link;s not portrayed as stronger than Bo like I said. There's really no examples of him just flat out overpowering anyone due to super strength in his own game. It's all a combination of skill/technique, etc. That's my whole point. In the game all of hyrule isn't super strong you just need the boots to negate a goron as silly as it sounds it's the truth.

It's a lot harder to throw a combatant than an inanimate object. When Shao Kahn swings his hammer he has sent people flying. That's called being portrayed as a lot stronger than most of your peers which Link doesn't have going for him since he's never been this uberly strong guy just a feat wanked character, obviously.

Bo is an older man while Link is in his prime so I would say Link is probably stronger than him but not by a noticeable difference to suggest he's out of his class. That's what happens when you are just super strong and are portrayed as such in your own games.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Portrayal isn't a legitimate argument. 😬

A guy can be portrayed a nigh-invincible in his game and still get his head flicked off by those in a more powerful game. I.E. No matter how unstoppable Sephiroth is portrayed as he'd still be smushed by Superman.

That's completely off base as to what I am arguing. Link doesn't have the combat feats to support he's just super strong for his enemies to deal with. In his own game he's strong enough with the right gear for the job but on his own he doesn't do anything someone else didn't teach him with the right technique, skill or gear.

This shouldn't perplex the entire gaming community I am here to save you all from yourselves.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
No. It's about you downplaying everything that you don't like.

See my own previous argument, and the previous arguments on the subject from others. I'm not going to repeat things if you're just going to continue trolling me. So you better start coming up with some new bullshit to throw around, or else you'll have to find someone else to try and cross your bridge.

No, it doesn't. In fact, it's the opposite.

I'm not going to do your work for you, bro. You claimed you don't ignore evidence. Find some you didn't. I know how much you hate finding evidence. But, well, that's just too damn bad. Suck it up you big crybaby.

Read the above quoted post as it applies to you as well. Most of this is you just begging me to stop. I'm a shark in blood infested water I go for the kill, bro.

It's what I do.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Why does one have to be only skilled or only super strong? Why can't Link be both really strong and really skilled? That is how I see his portrayal and he has done things that required strength since...well the first game. Sometimes it takes items, here it doesn't. In this game, Link needs the boots because he is too light to stop a Goron, not because they increase his arm strength. [b]That is how the situation is portrayed.

Why again is Link not portrayed as very strong? Why? Because his games tend to revolve more around puzzles than combat? That is garbage. If he does some strong things, they are by rights his feats. Just like Kratos.

You're logic of thinking, while something I think really does need to be considered in order to think of more interesting fights among these characters, is faulty. For example: The guy from the first video and Link are very similar. Both are portrayed as young androgynous teens who get their powers from items, particularly magical swords. Both are young but capable adventurers who save the day and blah blah blah. Who would win in a fight between the two? Arguing for portrayal basically makes this a tie correct? [/B]

Link is strong and above human strength as I have noted but what I do deem silly is this notion of him being super strong.

People tend to flare up when reading my well thought out responses mixed with both common sense and logic. You really need to just sit back and ignore the board myths this sub board(you and your msn friends have come to accept) as the dominant group in this part of the forum.

Every board you find there are arguments accepted as factual and they vary significantly from board to board. I make up my own mind and don't placate to the masses.

The boots make it clear that without increasing his weight he cannot compete with someone a lot heavier than himself. To make matters point to me being right Bo also just needed the boots which is the key here. It seems anyone in hyrule can negate their size advantage with the boots as Bo did before him.

Kratos has been shown to resist characters dwarfing mountains by himself due to strength alone. He's also shown himself to rip through most enemies and also being an exception rather than someone teachable to the same techniques and strategies before him. Also Kratos' enemies would make hyrule flee in terror as they have them beat in terms of numbers and sheer power to make even Dorf lose interest in his prized triforce of power.

I have no idea who would win between the two as I'd need to play through the game to get a good idea of what he is capable of. That's the problem most zelda fans are completely unaware of mk yet they storm in here with theories they themselves have no idea whether they'd work or not in mk due to ignorance and unfamiliarity.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
Hey quanchi maybe you should go do some squats, blow off some of that steam yo.
As a matter of fact I just hit the legs tonight so good call, goldendude.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
YouTube video
So, Link, portrayed as super strong, here. TP Link blocks Gohma's attack and when he hits her back she is sent airborne. WUT NAO, QUAN?

He did not cause it to go airborne though. It jumped.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
He did not cause it to go airborne though. It jumped.
This is what I saw too, to be honest.

yeah you can clearly see it reving up to jump.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
yeah you can clearly see it reving up to jump.
I sure to like to jump by lifting my feet off of the ground rather than kicking off of the ground. 😬

Originally posted by CosmicComet
yeah you can clearly see it reving up to jump.
Poor screampaste thinks Link used his super strength. If he can't even figure out what goes on in a 20 second clip I can see why his interpretations are so off via the games.

Oh wait.

I know what Shin is referring to.

He is talking about when the front half of the spider's body is knocked off the ground by Link.

Yeah that is a legit strength feat.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Oh wait.

I know what Shin is referring to.

He is talking about when the front half of the spider's body is knocked off the ground by Link.

Yeah that is a legit strength feat.

😂