Originally posted by CosmicCometYou mean when his strike physically lifts the spider off the ground?
Wait, he means when he caused it to rear back in pain?I guess that's a strength feat...I guess...
But it's the master sword he's wielding which makes it questionable. It's too mystical a weapon.
Also, look again, he doesn't have the MS in this video.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Link is strong and above human strength as I have noted but what I do deem silly is this notion of him being super strong.
Why is it that you deem it silly?
Originally posted by quanchi112
People tend to flare up when reading my well thought out responses mixed with both common sense and logic. You really need to just sit back and ignore the board myths this sub board(you and your msn friends have come to accept) as the dominant group in this part of the forum.
Not really. You don't really post anything that resembles what I'd call well thought out. The intent of the creators, while I think is important, is rather hard to pin down. What msn friends? I have only ever used my msn to flirt with people, which I wouldn't flirt with any of these losers. And actually, what authority do you have to call the hard math some of these posters put into calculating these feats myths? Are they guesses? Sure. Does gameplay sometimes contradict it? Of course. But at the end of the, ones who do the math and the ones who post evidence have a thousand times more credibility than a self absorbed poster who has never bothered trying to accept another point of view from his.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Every board you find there are arguments accepted as factual and they vary significantly from board to board. I make up my own mind and don't placate to the masses.
That's just it: What you're doing is not debating. Debaters have got to come around to the fact that their knowledge simply can't be perfect. They have to be mature enough to accept facts that they hadn't considered and give their opposition credit. Someone like you, who is so firm in his own intelligence and knowledge that you have the audacity to claim the intended portrayal of a character as if it's the final statement on the matter, is worthless to me. I can make the statement that they intended Ganondorf to be strong enough to juggle planets with his fingers while burping out black holes but it doesn't mean a damn if someone can prove me wrong by presenting his limits.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The boots make it clear that without increasing his weight he cannot compete with someone a lot heavier than himself. To make matters point to me being right Bo also just needed the boots which is the key here. It seems anyone in hyrule can negate their size advantage with the boots as Bo did before him.
Well there are two problems with that. The first is apparently Gorons are made of rock, i.e very heavy. If what I'm come to understand is correct, it's not that Link is weaker than Gorons, but rather to light to stop them from charging. But then, that's as far as I know.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Kratos has been shown to resist characters dwarfing mountains by himself due to strength alone. He's also shown himself to rip through most enemies and also being an exception rather than someone teachable to the same techniques and strategies before him. Also Kratos' enemies would make hyrule flee in terror as they have them beat in terms of numbers and sheer power to make even Dorf lose interest in his prized triforce of power.
And Link has been shown to throw enemies made of rock and knock down huge blocks and chuck granite pillars that are stupid. Just because Nintendo doesn't make Zelda games gore fests where Link and Ganon are brushing their teeth with the blood of their enemies, that makes them weak? No, it doesn't work like that. And what makes God Of War enemies so terrifying? Aside from Gods and Titans, which aren't usable in threads anyway, they don't leave much of an impression on me.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have no idea who would win between the two as I'd need to play through the game to get a good idea of what he is capable of. That's the problem most zelda fans are completely unaware of mk yet they storm in here with theories they themselves have no idea whether they'd work or not in mk due to ignorance and unfamiliarity.
Why must it be necessary to play a game in order to get a feel for the characters power? And yeah, they may be Quan. They may very well be charging in here in their ignorance. I don't give a shit if they are. Prove them wrong by giving evidence that the MK verse is stronger than Zelda. Don't try to ignore the fact that the burden of proof is on you. You should be providing counter evidence that MK is stronger than TP. You shouldn't be trying to convince them that Link isn't strong, when they're the ones that are providing the evidence and you're the one who cries about something that gamers are not qualified to judge.
If Miyamoto himself comes out and says Link isn't super strong, then yeah, they lose all the feats they've worked for. Until then, the games are what dictates portrayal, and they portray Link as strong. Enough with this silliness of yours peon.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
YouTube video
So, Link, portrayed as super strong, here. TP Link blocks Gohma's attack and when he hits her back she is sent airborne. WUT NAO, QUAN?
That is TP Link? I thought that was Skyward Sword. 😮
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
SS Link is Cell shaded and has a different facial shape. That looks a LOT like TP Link, down to the designs on the tunic and gauntlets.The spider is even Gohma from TP. :>
Oooooooh.....
But the room is different, according to the comments. 😮
Not official thought so I don't really like the idea of using it as a feat. That said, it's not like TP Link needs any. 😛
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelFor sheer purposes of consistency. Link walks into a room, a giant ****ing spider attacks him and he not only tells it to stfu, he smashes it in the face and sends it into the air. 😎
Oooooooh.....But the room is different, according to the comments. 😮
Not official thought so I don't really like the idea of using it as a feat. That said, it's not like TP Link needs any. 😛
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelBecause he isn't portrayed in that manner against enemy knights or trained that way. He needed skill because he wasn't some genetic freak in his own universe.
Why is it that you deem it silly?Not really. You don't really post anything that resembles what I'd call well thought out. The intent of the creators, while I think is important, is rather hard to pin down. What msn friends? I have only ever used my msn to flirt with people, which I wouldn't flirt with any of these losers. And actually, what authority do you have to call the hard math some of these posters put into calculating these feats myths? Are they guesses? Sure. Does gameplay sometimes contradict it? Of course. But at the end of the, ones who do the math and the ones who post evidence have a thousand times more credibility than a self absorbed poster who has never bothered trying to accept another point of view from his.
That's just it: What you're doing is not debating. Debaters have got to come around to the fact that their knowledge simply can't be perfect. They have to be mature enough to accept facts that they hadn't considered and give their opposition credit. Someone like you, who is so firm in his own intelligence and knowledge that you have the audacity to claim the intended portrayal of a character as if it's the final statement on the matter, is worthless to me. I can make the statement that they intended Ganondorf to be strong enough to juggle planets with his fingers while burping out black holes but it doesn't mean a damn if someone can prove me wrong by presenting his limits.
Well there are two problems with that. The first is apparently Gorons are made of rock, i.e very heavy. If what I'm come to understand is correct, it's not that Link is weaker than Gorons, but rather to light to stop them from charging. But then, that's as far as I know.
And Link has been shown to throw enemies made of rock and knock down huge blocks and chuck granite pillars that are stupid. Just because Nintendo doesn't make Zelda games gore fests where Link and Ganon are brushing their teeth with the blood of their enemies, that makes them weak? No, it doesn't work like that. And what makes God Of War enemies so terrifying? Aside from Gods and Titans, which aren't usable in threads anyway, they don't leave much of an impression on me.
Why must it be necessary to play a game in order to get a feel for the characters power? And yeah, they may be Quan. They may very well be charging in here in their ignorance. I don't give a shit if they are. Prove them wrong by giving evidence that the MK verse is stronger than Zelda. Don't try to ignore the fact that the burden of proof is on you. [b]You should
be providing counter evidence that MK is stronger than TP. You shouldn't be trying to convince them that Link isn't strong, when they're the ones that are providing the evidence and you're the one who cries about something that gamers are not qualified to judge.If Miyamoto himself comes out and says Link isn't super strong, then yeah, they lose all the feats they've worked for. Until then, the games are what dictates portrayal, and they portray Link as strong. Enough with this silliness of yours peon.
That is TP Link? I thought that was Skyward Sword. 😮 [/B]
Most of the people who post evidence don't have a fact they just feat skew. They try and justify what a goron weighs without any factual data to support it and to make matters worse most openly agree they don't play mk so it's arguing with the ignorant who just really want zelda to win not having a clue.
I have given examples of why I believe Link isn't super strong it's a bit different than making a ridiculous claim that Dorf can juggle planets.
We don't know how much rock, etc. compose these men and we do know Bo said if he use the boots you can stop them. There isn't naything in the game presented as we are the only ones capable of doing so it's more like keep this a secret it's kinda bending the rules without their knowledge.
The sheer size of the titans, or the power displayed by the gods is just immense. We see Zeus easily solo an entire army of spartans with ease based on his power we don't see anything even remotely close in zelda.
Link and dorf aren't weaklings and can hurt mk fighters but they can also be hurt. that's the point no side is going to hip toss the other one 3 miles away. I do give the strength advantage to Shao Kahn over dorf but it's not so much that Dorf couldn't battle him. I think their skill level comes in to determine this like most fights not some feat hyping I want my side to be so strong mk fighters can't even pierce bullet resistant Link despite no proof whatsoever of him being this.
I can contest feat hyping and explaining my take on his portrayal just like I don't feat hype mk into levels of insanity.
One poster claimed lightning would rock mk without even being aware that raiden is the god of thunder and posting a video showcasing his abilities.
Most just want to say zelda wins and don't care if they are right.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeYour post was nothing more than a personal attack and I said the response above your quote perfectly suits as a response to your generalized rant.
Dude, you seriously gotta stop lying.I mean ****ing look at you. I smashed your confidence so bad you won't even speak seriously to me anymore. Now you just try to reverse the situation by insinuating that I am inferior to you.
It's a sad sight, bro.
If you can't debate respectfully don't do so. I don't lose my cool over this stuff nor should you.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Because he isn't portrayed in that manner against enemy knights or trained that way. He needed skill because he wasn't some genetic freak in his own universe.
You think you can train yourself to be inhumanly strong? And no, he isn't a genetic freak. A reincarnated hero but not a freak. That doesn't make him not physically strong enough to toss people around like their pebbles.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Most of the people who post evidence don't have a fact they just feat skew. They try and justify what a goron weighs without any factual data to support it and to make matters worse most openly agree they don't play mk so it's arguing with the ignorant who just really want zelda to win not having a clue.
Ahh, but evidence vs no evidence will always end in victory for those who give evidence in my book. And there isn't factual data to support Kratos in game is there. I don't recall any anyway. And what's it matter if they're ignorant? Prove them wrong.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have given examples of why I believe Link isn't super strong it's a bit different than making a ridiculous claim that Dorf can juggle planets.
In a debate, no one really gives a shit what you believe. All that matters is what you can prove. And you haven't really proven anything.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We don't know how much rock, etc. compose these men and we do know Bo said if he use the boots you can stop them. There isn't naything in the game presented as we are the only ones capable of doing so it's more like keep this a secret it's kinda bending the rules without their knowledge.
Yes, we don't know hard facts. But that doesn't mean educated guesses are out of the picture. It's an assumption, just like the one you've given. But there really isn't a secret to having super strength, unless enhanced with an item, which isn't the case here.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The sheer size of the titans, or the power displayed by the gods is just immense. We see Zeus easily solo an entire army of spartans with ease based on his power we don't see anything even remotely close in zelda.
Size doesn't matter. And I disagree on that point. In OoT, I distinctly remember seeing an awesome cutscene about the creation of Hyrule, which is a nice enough feat for the goddesses. But yeah, not that anything Zeus does really matters. He can't be used in any threads and at best can only be used to make Kratos look strong.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Link and dorf aren't weaklings and can hurt mk fighters but they can also be hurt. that's the point no side is going to hip toss the other one 3 miles away. I do give the strength advantage to Shao Kahn over dorf but it's not so much that Dorf couldn't battle him. I think their skill level comes in to determine this like most fights not some feat hyping I want my side to be so strong mk fighters can't even pierce bullet resistant Link despite no proof whatsoever of him being this.
If they can prove the MK fighters are incapable of hurting the Zelda team, you have no argument. None at all. The only thing you can do is prove they can OR find a flaw/contradiction in their arguments. You've really not done either.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I can contest feat hyping and explaining my take on his portrayal just like I don't feat hype mk into levels of insanity.One poster claimed lightning would rock mk without even being aware that raiden is the god of thunder and posting a video showcasing his abilities.
Most just want to say zelda wins and don't care if they are right.
Yeah, you can. But I can say that Link is portrayed as super strong just like you can say he isn't. Until one of us brings evidence to prove our side, it doesn't really matter.
Who did that again? That is actually a legitimately stupid argument.
Quan, if they didn't care if they were right, why would they post evidence and do the math that they do?