Mortal Kombat 9 vs. Twilight Princess

He was called Ganondorf before the triforce chose him. He is still a character with power on his own so don't excuse him just because he seems to be in possession of the triforce of power and say look that other guy needed that plot device. Both aren't all powerful on their own. Both have had in possession plot devices. You argue the same for them in that regard unless you want to make excuses and create double standards.

You're not getting it. Without the Triforce of Power, Ganondorf is not the character he is supposed. You're saying that Hal Jordan without his Green Lantern Ring is still the Green Lantern. Technically true, but he's lost the thing that makes him work as a character. You can't have Ganondorf without the Triforce of Power or the Triforce of Power without Ganondorf; they conceptually inseparable. I assume Onaga is not normally immune to magic because he does not normally have that item. Ganondorf always has it, is the difference here. Are you going to call the Green Lantern a plot device? The gem of Cyttorak? The venom symbiote? Fact is, the Triforce of Power is not something you can just take away, like an artifact you only use once. This is more along the lines of standar equipment.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, since he hits enemies throughout the game without armor and doesn't lop off an arm. You are doing it again just speculating without any proof while we have mk characters cutting arms off an dripping legs, heads, torsos off on strength alone.

You're doing it again, trying to use gameplay mechanics as evidence. Can you show me an MK character cutting off a limb anywhere except a fatality? They don't just punch people in the game an knock off limbs, their opponent has to swaying around drunkenly while they're yelled at to finish them. Same with Link.

1)You can't prove any goron weighs multiple tons. Laughs.
2)You need to show him doing so as any mk elite fighter has the strength to do so, basically.

1) Already have, my man. Calculations be valid.
2) Zelda does not usually work like that, as I've told you. However, Link has been seen decapitating enemies and knocking off arms in Skyward Sword trailers and gameplay.

I already admitted Link is stronger than any human being just like every mk fighter. Mk fighters have demonstrated superior combat strength than Link has. You assuming he can lift 60 plus tons is unsupportable fanwank and nothing more. The rest I have went back and forth about and at this point it's us restating our opinions.

Look, can you honestly say that you think lifting and throwing a giant rock monster shows less strength than ripping off an arm? The numbers are well supported, but they don't really matter right now. Just by looking you tell that Link is much stronger than any Mortal Kombat character.

Cutscenes are what does happen but we see by playing the game he can be hurt by anything wielded in the game. You are trying to argue off of just cutscenes and ignore the portrayal of the character which is horrible debating and fanboyism. Link will be hurt by mk fighters which you have agreed to so let's move on.

You're doing the same exact thing. If every Mortal Kombat character can rip off limbs or punch off heads, why don't they when you play the game? Seriously, if you're strong enough to rip your opponent's heart out and you punch him, what happens? Well, in Mortal Kombat, he just flinches a little. If you want to play that card, any MK character punches Link, he just flinches a little, because in game you can't punch off heads until they opponent is just standing still swaying back and forth, not defending themselves. You're trying to act like only the fatalities count and ignore the fight beforehand, or any other context for that matter. Terrible.
You know what happens in Zelda games? Link takes a sword, axe, mace, or spiked ball right to the chest, and gets back up. He gets hit in the face with a flaming arrow, and just flinches. He gets hit by a bomb that blows up boulders, and gets back up. He gets frozen solid and breaks his way out of the ice. He gets set on fire, and keeps going. He gets hit by a magic attack that makes the floor explode, and gets back up. You can play at plants hurting Link all you want, but you forget or ignore one thing: the plants? They deal the same amount of damage as a sword. That's the "portrayal" nonsense you're looking for, and you know what? Maybe that stuff does hurt Link, but it doesn't kill him. You want to play that game, we can do it, it'll just make Link even stronger than the cutscenes imply. See, because according to your in game "portrayal" Link takes damage that should be lethal twenty times over, and doesn't die. A punch from a Goron like Darbus can shatter 10 feet of solid rock, but can he even break Link's arm? No, he can't, because Link is "portrayed" as taking all of that in stride. He'll just lose half a heart.

Dorf was in the castle as a giant floating head so we don't know where he was at the point of contact since he changed shape again and like you have already brought up he can hide in a portal when the castle goes down and reemerge in human form. That to me is likely.

Proooooooof. Prove he hid in a portal. The evidence actually shows Ganondorf at the spot where the attack is so he was right there when it exploded. Unharmed.

You can't prove he tanked it so it's hypocritical of you to ask for evidence when neither side has any. The point is you can't make these claims since you yourself don't know. What we do know is he changed his molecular structure since last we saw him so it's anyone's guess what happened in the actual fight.

The evidence shows Ganondorf inside when the castle explodes. That's it. Your claim, however, is that Ganondorf hid in a portal, which requires proof. Show me the portal he hid in or your theory is invalid.

1)When has any sword been unable to pierce him ? Him taking it out and killing a sage doesn't mean swords can't cut him. I have no idea on how your thought process eve works at this point. Honestly.

Oh, I'll just embrace you and your portrayals. Behold, in this video Ganondorf is hit with the Master sword multiple times and never gets pierced until he's on the ground. Just look at Ganondorf tanking every sword strike that hits him, since he isn't shown as being cut that means he's meant to be portrayed as uncuttable. And Link takes a lot of hits, too, but he's never portrayed as getting cut, so that means he's uncuttable, too!

Aren't gameplay portrayals fun?

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Seriously, though, when Ganondorf removes the sword from his chest during his execution, it has stopped affecting him. He was only impaled before the Triforce of Power; afterwards it did not bother him in the slightest.

2)The master sword can cut him like the previous sword but if it cancels out his power then he can't resist dying. But it's still a fact he can be cut and hurt since he was. No proof he can't survive being decapitated either. Dorf was also unconscious so it obviously still affected him and I perceive it as an adrenaline surge which was only temporary.

What you perceive doesn't matter, though. I have shown you multiple times where Ganondorf has revived himself from total bodily destruction through his spirit form. Having a dead body won't bother him unless you're canceling his power.

I want no more oot references. You do this all the time. No more references.

They're the same person up to a certain point. It's rather hard to avoid, since I'm positive you're not using only Mortal Kombat 9 to debate.

Quan Chi can create portals to any of the mk realms with his amulet. It's simple he creates a portal and they push him into it.

And he teleports or turns intangible or possesses one of them before they do. Denied. No, seriously, show me him doing this to somebody.

There's no proof he tanked the castle as we don't know where he was when it exploded so quit with the claims you have no proof to support.

We know exactly where he was, which was next to Midna, the source of the explosion.

Dorf killed one sage with one blow. He's more powerful than the sage and mk fighters can kill their opponents with one attack or blow them up. They have missiles, sorcery, and insane strength to kill warriors in a variety of ways.

Only with fatalities when they aren't defending themselves, though. Ganondorf just grabbed a guy an exploded him.

I don't need to as you don't have any proof he tanked the blast. You can't prove it nor can I. I told you what I think happened based off his abilities and your love of him told me he tanked it without any proof. So you lost your feat entirely as neither can prove it.

Based off of his abilities? You have nothing but speculation to say he used a portal, whereas I have a cutscene showing you exactly where he was when Midna attacked and the castle exploded.

Rearrange your molecules means change form which we have seen him do or fly into Zelda. The castle feat isn't a legit feat either and we've seen two swords cut through him like butter and one sword killed him. Mkers would wreck his body beyond one severe impalement to not even give him the chance.

Then why can't he just rearrange his molecules so the swords can't hurt him? Since he obviously does that like he did after his Beast Ganon body was destroyed. That much proves that even if the kill him (after they get past that castle level durability) he'll just make a new body or possess one of theirs.

He can't create a new body on his own. He can't survive death.

He can and has several times, namely when his Beast Ganon vody was destroyed and he went to spirit form, then made a new body plus a whole horse out of nowhere. He's even survived death before. People die they are killed, but not Ganondorf.

The narrator says the blast had little effect on the dragon king. That's proof it hit him. We don't have any narration proving the blast castle destruction even hit Dorf. LOL.

Let me get this straight. You want Legend of Zelda, a game with no comprehensible voice acting, to give you a narrator it has never had before, just to say that Ganondorf was unharmed by a castle exploding? When we can see with our own eyes that he wasn't?

Raiden protected the mk fighters before from the soul steal so I am sure he can protect his side as can Shao Kahn from this attack. If they go into soul form Quan Chi can remake them or have control over them.

So he'll have to keep up that protection constantly, I wonder how much it will weaken him. Then, Quan Chi will have to keep making bodies that just keep getting reduced to harmless souls. Nice.

We don't know if Dorf was a giant head or anything as we don't see the fight or what caused the castle to explode. We see exactly what happens in the raiden feat and the narrator confirms it had little effect on onaga. Big diff.

We saw Midna attack. We saw Ganondorf right there. We saw the castle explode. We saw Ganondorf unharmed. These are all facts, anything else you say is speculation, but the event is clearly shown and obvious to any unbiased person.

But we don't see Ganondorf tanking the attack. We just see him appear after the smoke from the castle starts emanating from the castle. So there's no way we can even say an attack was tanked.

And really there's no comparison between that attack and what Raiden did. Raiden's attack was clearly more devastating.

Are you capable of agreeing that Ganondorf > a castle buster?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Which is no different, and still means he's stronger than a character who chucked hundreds of tons with apparent ease.

Not without a damn good feat it won't. Shao Khan and his hammer lack a feat good enough to disarm or even hurt Link.

Pardon? With a [b]fraction of his power, Zant instantly defeated Midna, Link, and a light spirit. 😐 Shit, later in the game Midna is overpowered and tossed the side by Ganon as he possesses Zelda as soon as her eyes open.

To featless, unprotected humans.

Negatory, nor did he do enough to even hurt Ganondorf. Did I mention that with the majority of his power sealed away, Ganon has destroyed an island?
I'm referring to when Midna hits Ganon so hard the castle explodes due entirely to pure physical force. Raiden created an explosion, Ganon was kicked in the nuts so hard his house exploded, and he was unhurt.

While Shang Tsung and Quan Chi held Onaga back long enough for him to charge it.
Prove this part.
Link knocked him over with the megaton hammer and got the master sword back so he actually could hurt him. Also, cutscenes say hello:
YouTube video
2:50, Ganon tanks a castle busting strike.

Not only do I not see him taking Shao Khan's hammer to the face at all, being faster and stronger, but he could crush it in his palm. 😐
Any scene where he fights another MKer, basically. 😬 They get encased in ice and hit and it shatters off of them, they are not flash frozen.

Prove this claim, plx? The sword is as powerful as the combined triforce, why would they be able to overcome its' protection? [/B]

Shao Khan is fighting other similar sized humanoids, last I check he isn't required to lift people like Dangoro. So how you can infer that a hammer that sends humanoids heavier than Link flying isn't going to harm Link is beyond me.

And... how is that different from polymorphing Hylians with twilight? Unlike Hylians MK characters have spirit magic. The ability to drain souls, use souls to power themselves up. Use souls to acquire new abilities. Use souls to bring people back to life. Use souls to actually give people new corporeal forms. In MK souls mean power, and a powerful soul can do anything from polymorphing, to merging realms.

Shang Tsung while weaker than he was since MK 2 also destroyed an island. Again, in LoZ Dorf has no competition. In MK he'd just be another sorcery. Below the likes of Raiden and Shinnok and on the same level as a Shan Tsung.

There's no conclusive evidence that Ganon even tanked an attack. It could have missed, he could have repelled it, it could have been the result of two forces meeting. There's just no evidence that he actually tanked the attack. Furthermore by visual evidence it was far less impressive than Raiden's attack, which absolutely disintegrated the whole place.

And yet the sorcerers with the necromancy and spirit magic were able to match a being that possessed such power.

Again, stop underestimating the magical prowess and talent of the MKers who have feats that match and even surpass anything Ganondorf has displayed.

As for the last part lol at Ganondorf having the power to smash Shao Khan's hammer in his palm. An older entity with the power to drain souls.

Also Shang Tsung can drain souls instantly as can Shao Khan. The only reason they don't do it right of the bat is because they have to watch for getting kicked in the face. Play Shaolin Monks for details, or read or watch any depiction of the sorcerer. Shao Khan can do the same thing as he proved in MK 3 and MK 9.

Also guys like Goro Shao Khan are up there in strength. And MKers are super human martial artists. There striking power is such that they can destroy marble walls and floors. So not having lifitng feats doesn't mean they don't have the power to kill Link and Gandorf with their martial art strengthened blows.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Are you capable of agreeing that Ganondorf > a castle buster?

Again nothing like Raiden's feat. Also what happened in the castle is unknown, it could have been a confliguration of two opposing magic forces.

Beyond that... to try to imply that Midna is any where near as devastating as Raiden based on that... ❌

Clearly Raiden's attack is on another level.

Bro, you're just grasping at straws. It's true that we don't know what happened exactly, so you're not at fault for saying that it could have been the two opposing forces. But, with that same logic, I would not be at fault saying that explosion came from Ganondorf's rectum as a result of the burritos he ate off screen before.

When it comes to stuff like that, you should operate on the clearly defined intent of the attack. In this case, one of them blew up the castle, more likely Midna. And by canon, Ganondorf is much mightier than the Fused Shadows that gave Midna that castle busting power.

I'll agree it's nothing like Raiden's too. I hear he almost killed himself making it happen.

Raiden's suicide blast?

That shit is what you all are talking about?

Sad.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Bro, you're just grasping at straws. It's true that we don't know what happened exactly, so you're not at fault for saying that it could have been the two opposing forces. But, with that same logic, I would not be at fault saying that explosion came from Ganondorf's rectum as a result of the burritos he ate off screen before.

When it comes to stuff like that, you should operate on the clearly defined intent of the attack. In this case, one of them blew up the castle, more likely Midna. And by canon, Ganondorf is much mightier than the Fused Shadows that gave Midna that castle busting power.

I'll agree it's nothing like Raiden's too. I hear he almost killed himself making it happen.

Yeah he almost killed himself blasting a being that was immune to magic. Also it was more devastating, which is the most important difference.

We've seen Shang Tsung destory islands, we've seen Shao Khan merge dimensions and planets. When it comes to mega feats MK has that and more. The combined power of the warriors is also said to be a threat to the fabric of reality in all the realms.

So yeah... if feats of personal power and destruction are what you're basing your arguments on Dorf's supposed superiority, he loses...hard to MK.

Only by Quan logic, where only one game counts.

Were we not going by the logic of an idiot, Ganondorf still would easily hold that advantage.

Would you mind posting the video of Raiden's self-destruction by the way?

Show me Tsung destroying an island by the way? And Khan's merging Outworld and Earthworld means very little, when you consider he is still a complete pussy in terms of personal combat.

Your argument is bad and you should feel bad.

Originally posted by quanchi112
@Scenario

Yes, Raiden himself caused a castle to explode and later reformed under his own power.

This is a canon fight as well so you can see how these guys handle themselves in a fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvVtoVSzkJw

I would jump into this as I have a personal stake in MK lore, buuuut I'm drunk and Nemebro seems to have everything in hand.

So I'll just watch.

Yeah. NemeBro basically covered what I was going to.

But his was funnier. So Imma let it slide.

Originally posted by Allankles
Shao Khan is fighting other similar sized humanoids, last I check he isn't required to lift people like Dangoro. So how you can infer that a hammer that sends humanoids heavier than Link flying isn't going to harm Link is beyond me.

He's referring to Link doing things like, say, getting shot out of a cannon and not dying. Compared to that, simply getting thrown seems...not so impressive. Especially considering that Link taken hits like that without much problem before.

And... how is that different from polymorphing Hylians with twilight? Unlike Hylians MK characters have spirit magic. The ability to drain souls, use souls to power themselves up. Use souls to acquire new abilities. Use souls to bring people back to life. Use souls to actually give people new corporeal forms. In MK souls mean power, and a powerful soul can do anything from polymorphing, to merging realms.

Unless they resist soul based effects, you'd be hard pressed to prove the MK fighters can resist twilight. Fortunately, quanchi has said they have, so Raiden at least could resist. Similarly, every major character in Twilight Princess has shown resistance to twilight's soul based effects, so they should also resist Mortal Kombat soul screwing. However, has the MK army shown similar resistance? Unless they have, it's more than likely they'll be affected.

Shang Tsung while weaker than he was since MK 2 also destroyed an island. Again, in LoZ Dorf has no competition. In MK he'd just be another sorcery. Below the likes of Raiden and Shinnok and on the same level as a Shan Tsung.

So both have blown an island, and Ganondorf was near powerless during it. Raiden killed himself to blow up a castle, something Ganondorf was in the middle of and was unharmed by, and Raiden's somehow more powerful than Ganondorf? That doesn't exactly follow. Based on the evidence, Ganondorf seems to be stronger.

There's no conclusive evidence that Ganon even tanked an attack. It could have missed, he could have repelled it, it could have been the result of two forces meeting. There's just no evidence that he actually tanked the attack. Furthermore by visual evidence it was far less impressive than Raiden's attack, which absolutely disintegrated the whole place.

That's pretty much grasping at straws, though. What do you think that scene was intended to display? That Midna climatically accessing the full power of the Fused Shadows for a final showdown with Ganondorf, just missed? All the other options still lead to the same result: Ganondorf repelled it, castle still explodes in his face and he is shown to repel castle exploding force. Two forces meeting, castle still explodes in Ganondorf's face. No matter which way you try to spin it, the fact remains that Hyrule castle exploded while Ganondorf was inside, and he was fine. Then you have the further evidence of Ganondorf crushing the Fused Shadows, the artifacts you've been collecting just to get enough power to face him, just shown to be capable of blowing up a castle, and Ganondorf breaks it casually in his hands.

By visual evidence, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Raiden's suicide destroyed the castle, yes, but so did Midna's or Ganondorf's. All that was left of Hyrule Castle was a giant cloud of smoke. How was Raiden's more impressive when both castle where vaporized?

And yet the sorcerers with the necromancy and spirit magic were able to match a being that possessed such power.

Ganondorf alone matched that power, and crushed it in his hands.

Again, stop underestimating the magical prowess and talent of the MKers who have feats that match and even surpass anything Ganondorf has displayed.

I personally have yet to see such. Something that killed Raiden failed to kill Ganondorf, and Ganondorf utterly destroyed the source of that power.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Only by Quan logic, where only one game counts.

Were we not going by the logic of an idiot, Ganondorf still would easily hold that advantage.

Would you mind posting the video of Raiden's self-destruction by the way?

Show me Tsung destroying an island by the way? And Khan's merging Outworld and Earthworld means very little, when you consider he is still a complete pussy in terms of personal combat.

Your argument is bad and you should feel bad.

And Ganondorf hasn't shown anything in combat that would suggest he'd be more than another MK level guy. If anything in comparison to Quan Chi, Shang Tsung and Raiden his displays haven't been all that impressive.

The only reason we're even debating Ganondorf of because he's a supposed castle busting juggernaut or because he can polymorph Hylians, or because he can send shadow beasts against a planet level army. etc etc

Basically nothing based on the very few combat displays he has. So please stop using double standards.

Shang Tsung destroyed the island at the end of MK 1 to destroy the Earth Realm warriors as he escaped back to Outworld in a portal. Mortal Kombat Shaolin Monks had an extended cutscene of those events including Shang Tsung destroying the island as he escapes Liu Kang and his gang.

Shao Khan has merged more than just Earth Realm and it means something when people are using Dorf's non combat feats as a way to talk about his superiority. Where have you been? You think I'd bring it up if people stuck to combat feats? Shao Khan in combat can destroy warrior after warrior. Ganon has no better feats.

The MK cast has better combat feats. If we were basing these arguments on combat feats alone, where would Dorf be?

Bro, we're using double standards? Every feat posted for MK has also been performed by Ganon. 😐

Originally posted by Allankles
And Ganondorf hasn't shown anything in combat that would suggest he'd be more than another MK level guy. If anything in comparison to Quan Chi, Shang Tsung and Raiden his displays haven't been all that impressive.

The only reason we're even debating Ganondorf of because he's a supposed castle busting juggernaut or because he can polymorph Hylians, or because he can send shadow beasts against a planet level army. etc etc

Basically nothing based on the very few combat displays he has. So please stop using double standards.

Shang Tsung destroyed the island at the end of MK 1 to destroy the Earth Realm warriors as he escaped back to Outworld in a portal. Mortal Kombat Shaolin Monks had an extended cutscene of those events including Shang Tsung destroying the island as he escapes Liu Kang and his gang.

Shao Khan has merged more than just Earth Realm and it means something when people are using Dorf's non combat feats as a way to talk about his superiority. Where have you been? You think I'd bring it up if people stuck to combat feats? Shao Khan in combat can destroy warrior after warrior. Ganon has no better feats.

The MK cast has better combat feats. If we were basing these arguments on combat feats alone, where would Dorf be?

2. Have you shown proof all the MK cast can resist the polymorphing or the soul attacks? I would imagine Tsung, Khan, those type of guys can, but those are exceptions, unless I am forgetting something.

3. No u.

4. Can you show me this though?

5. Only Ganondorf's "non-combat feats" can be used, you know, in combat. Ganondorf in combat is completely immune to all assaults that are not done with the Master Sword or Light Arrows. Oh, and he is also stronger, faster, and much more durable against MK characters.

6. Better combat feats. "Combat feats" is a butthurt cop-out that says you cannot deal with the feats that portray Ganondorf as superior to MK characters, so you have to grasp at the straw that technically not all are from combat. He is faster. He is stronger. He is more durable. He is more versatile. He is arguably more powerful.

Oh this reminds me: Mortal Kombat 9 feats only please. 🙂 If we are subscribing to Twilight Princess being the only allowable Zelda game, then I ask you do the same.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Unless they resist soul based effects, you'd be hard pressed to prove the MK fighters can resist twilight. Fortunately, quanchi has said they have, so Raiden at least could resist. Similarly, every major character in Twilight Princess has shown resistance to twilight's soul based effects, so they should also resist Mortal Kombat soul screwing. However, has the MK army shown similar resistance? Unless they have, it's more than likely they'll be affected.

They resisted twilight based on being the only characters with magic, you know the divine magic of the triforce plus Midna's twili magic. Guess what MK characters have magic, but Shang Tsung can still instant soul steal. Shao Khan can also soul steal from other mystical or magical beings. Having magical or divine power won't protect them from a soul steal by itself.

And given that magic alone was the necessary ingredient to resist twilight... Furthermore there are many ways MK characters can resist twilight as I've said. Worst case scenario: if twilight is discovered to affect them despite having someone like Raiden's soul protection. Shao Khan and co. can steal Twili souls, granting them their ability to resist twilight polymoprhing.

Originally posted by The Scenario
So both have blown an island, and Ganondorf was near powerless during it. Raiden killed himself to blow up a castle, something Ganondorf was in the middle of and was unharmed by, and Raiden's somehow more powerful than Ganondorf? That doesn't exactly follow. Based on the evidence, Ganondorf seems to be stronger.

I've already been over this... Raiden's attack was clearly more devastating, furthermore he was attacking a being that was immune to magic. Dorf has no immunity to magic....so.

Originally posted by The Scenario
That's pretty much grasping at straws, though. What do you think that scene was intended to display? That Midna climatically accessing the full power of the Fused Shadows for a final showdown with Ganondorf, just missed?

Doesn't really matter one way or the other, the facts a we don't see him tanking any attack. Nor do we even see the nature of the attack he supposedly tanked. I'm not grasping at straws in saying that. Furthermore, the attack was nowhere near as impressive as Raiden's, there's no two ways about it.

Originally posted by The Scenario
All the other options still lead to the same result: Ganondorf repelled it, castle still explodes in his face and he is shown to repel castle exploding force. Two forces meeting, castle still explodes in Ganondorf's face. No matter which way you try to spin it, the fact remains that Hyrule castle exploded while Ganondorf was inside, and he was fine. Then you have the further evidence of Ganondorf crushing the Fused Shadows, the artifacts you've been collecting just to get enough power to face him, just shown to be capable of blowing up a castle, and Ganondorf breaks it casually in his hands.

The point is there's a number of ways that blast could have happened and a number of ways it could have resulted. Dorf "tanking" the blast is just one of the ways it could have happened. The point is we don't know for sure one way or the other because we don't see anything. More importantly, it was not anywhere close to Raiden's attack in terms of devastation and unlike Dorf, we know the Dragon King was immune to magic.

Originally posted by The Scenario
By visual evidence, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Raiden's suicide destroyed the castle, yes, but so did Midna's or Ganondorf's. All that was left of Hyrule Castle was a giant cloud of smoke. How was Raiden's more impressive when both castle where vaporized?

Not much of a shockwave, not much debris etc etc We see some stone fly in the air and the smoke obscures the rest of devastation. Anyway you could just say the devs didn't do a good job of showing an impressive blast radius and/or blast force. Either way visually it doesn't look as impressive. Don't see why there's any debate over this. Raiden's attack looked more devastating. Maybe Midna's was as devastating, but it certainly doesn't look it.

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Originally posted by The Scenario
personally have yet to see such. Something that killed Raiden failed to kill Ganondorf, and Ganondorf utterly destroyed the source of that power.

Not only did Raiden's attack look more impressive he was attacking a being that was actually immune to magic at the time. Dorf has never been immune to magic. So it is wrong to suggest he'd tank Raiden's attack based on inconclusive evidence. A cutscene where we don't actually see Dorf himself absorb any attack, or even how the battle played out exactly.

Link was only capable of resisting the Twilight magic due to the presence of the Triforce of Courage, one of the few artifacts capable of standing against the Triforce of Power.

I've yet to see MK magic as powerful as the Triforce of Power.