CISless Zoom vs Odin

Originally posted by leonidas
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nice job of doing precisely what is wrong with everything about this thread and taking a real world theory, which isn't (a) CONSISTENTLY followed even by the people at dc, and (b) even used accurately when it IS brought into play that, you know, one time FLASH (NOT zoom) used it. 👆

so, because no writer agrees, we are left to choose the one YOU like best? 😂

arrogant much?

so, as i said, zoom, flash, superman, wonderwoman, manhunter, greenlantern, ad near infinitum, can all hit with the force of GALAXIES.

nice job setting the thread back to the stone age. clap

I'm a firm believer in the logic that statues can't move and since they can't move they can't win. I don't care if we take relativity out of the equation, Zoom still wins easily. Zoom has quicker than attosecond reactions. This means in the first second that Odin is trying to act, 31.71 billion years would have passed for Zoom. It doesn't matter if Zoom was hitting at galaxy level punches or Superman level punches. He can just throw a Superman level punch a day for 31.71 billion years. Each one will have the power and quality of a Superman level punch because Zoom will take his slow time to achieve each punch. After each punch he goes to bed and wakes up the next day and throws another after lunch. He does this like a day job for 31.71 billions years. And picking one day out of this 31 billion year period he just fingersnaps Odins only eye out.

Originally posted by h1a8
I truly understand speed more than most here.

Epic.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Nah I am. If I'm clearly so off the mark, then answer the damn question. I have an argument or two, I just want to see to how far you'll take this stupidity. It's pretty clear why you're so hesitant on answering. You're trying to take this only half way but the next logical step is to an entity like Galactus. Unfortunately, you don't get to do that.

Apply this reasoning across the board or don't apply it at all.

How does Odin beat Zoom in your opinion? Apparently arguments have run out for Odin and yet you think Zoom could beat Odin, I just find that a bit weird. [/B][/QUOTE] And I log on and see your thread has gone to a bunch of nowhere. If you were clearly so on the mark you would have actually made a point. You have none. I've answered your question for you multiple times, and so have other members across several threads. Using weak fallacies isn't going to work on me, maybe on some of the other members of the board, but not on me.

And stupidity? Where do you come off calling I or anybody else's post as stupid when you had no retort for your sorry reasoning in this thread or my 50 page long thread. My reasoning applied across the board and trying to skew anything we say as a no limit fallacy won't work. Why don't you apply it backwards. Does Zoom beat Flash and or Superman? Why? See, your lousy reasoning can be taken both ways and running it across me simply isn't going to work. You haven't made any points or pushed anything more than just whine about it in the past bitchfest this has been the 100 pages or so anyways.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You'll find out where I'm going with this once you answer the question. False analogy. You're applying a type of logic for this fight and yet fear to do the same against someone like Galactus. That's basically the gist of it. I want to know why Galactus wins, and I want a legitimate answer, or else you'll be guilty of the same type of logic you've accused others of. Galactus Odin wins just because he's a Cosmic Entity Skyfather.

Blah blah frcikin blah. And don't tell me what I'm scared of. Scared of you? Please. I'm not scared of you or anybody else on this board and that's a fact. I didn't get my reputation from being scared of people, you better ask somebody.

I'm not guilty of anything. I haven't said Zoom *could* win based on the fact that he's a speedster. I came to the conclusion he could do enough damage within the time. As a matter of fact, my original thread was an inquiry on the matter which is why this thread is redundant. I asked and any other member to explain to me what Odin could do or what would be his best feat, and I got none. So trying to "show me the light" now is worthless, because if you could, you already would have.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Behind what I just said. Okay, make a serious attempt and answer these questions for me:

How does Odin beat Zoom?

Zoom vs. -an average- Galactus, who wins and how?

How does Odin beat Zoom? You should answer that for me.

What is considered average? And I've already answered this.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Do I have to hold a gun to your head to get an answer? Christ. Answer here or answer in the recently made thread, I don't give a shit, just answer.

Insulting you? I'm just taking the next logical step.

I've already answered it. Do I have to hold a gun in your head to help you figure it out.

It came across that way, I know you get brash in more heated debates so maybe that was it. I don't know if you're trying to legitimately help the discussion or if you're just trying to start something, but whatever.

lol this argument is still going on...

Bruce, end this argument once and for all.

I said end it, mother phucker.

whoa, chill dood

Originally posted by Starscream M
lol this argument is still going on...

You chill, mother phucking phuck.

Originally posted by Galan007
Cool beans.

Originally posted by Galan007
That being said, Zoom amalgamating the ability to instantly punch hard, with the ability to instantly punch fast, is a perfectly logical assumption of his powerset... Especially in a "no holding back" scenario. In fact, I think you'd be low-balling/neutering the shit out of him to assume he couldn't put 1 and 1 together.

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i agree it MAY be possible for him to throw those ww-type blows. i disagree though that we should simply assume he can. because he never has.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes I choose Zoom with the relativity. Yes I choose Zoom with the IMP. Yes I choose Zoom with the fingersnap Superman strikes. Everyone here chooses their favorite character best feats to support them. Zoom is not even my favorite but speed is. Any character that displays great speed is the character I'm rolling with (D.C. or Marvel). I truly understand speed more than most here. Many disregard it like it doesn't mean anything whereas strength means the most. But never mind this, I'm so confident that Zoom wins we can choose a Zoom that can hit hard only because of his speed while taking IMPing through relativity out of the equation.

I'm a firm believer in the logic that statues can't move and since they can't move they can't win. I don't care if we take relativity out of the equation, Zoom still wins easily. Zoom has quicker than attosecond reactions. This means in the first second that Odin is trying to act, 31.71 billion years would have passed for Zoom. It doesn't matter if Zoom was hitting at galaxy level punches or Superman level punches. He can just throw a Superman level punch a day for 31.71 billion years. Each one will have the power and quality of a Superman level punch because Zoom will take his slow time to achieve each punch. After each punch he goes to bed and wakes up the next day and throws another after lunch. He does this like a day job for 31.71 billions years. And picking one day out of this 31 billion year period he just fingersnaps Odins only eye out.

i'm jus a regualr pig-farmer and don't know much about speed i know, but i do knw that picking and choosing only the best feats=ignoring all mitigating feats.

anyway, at least your honest enough to say you ARE ignoring contradictory evidence in favor of your bias. makes it pointless to debate you, of course, but it is refreshing in a way. 😂

high end feats can ALSO be regarded as pis though, if they are so outside the norm that they don't fit in with the character. those ww punches could be viewed that way.

of course speed is AWESOME. and of course speedsters are UBER. you want to tell me he can ko ss? or other heralds? i've no issue with that. tell me he ko's someone like odin or galactus before they have a chance to think ANYTHING? i have a problem with that.

you want to value your real world logic and ignore a distinct and COMPELLING lack of feats that support this stance.

i CHOOSE not to ignore what's in front of me--or rather, what's NOT in front of me.

dur

For the Galactus vs Odin question. Odin is not Galactus. The reasoning why someone can beat Odin has nothing to do with how he can beat Galactus. Galactus is an Abstract while Odin is just a Skyfather.

Galactus is not an abstract entity, he's a physical being.

More like no one really wants to ride the "CISless Zoom" train to its final, and ultimately, insane destination, amrite?

Hahaha, translation: Galactus wins because he's a Cosmic Entity.

Galactus/Infinity Gauntlet Thanos/Spectre have never shown the reflexes to react to Zoom level speed, meaning at bare minimum, Zoom has a decent shot of winning.

For the record, if we really want to apply the logic all the way, trillions of punches would be lowballing Zoom in all honesty.

I'm not really sure why people are so hesitant to apply the line of thinking across the board. If you take a stance commit to it. I really wouldn't give this much of a damn if I believed people would be consistent with their application but I think once you start naming Cosmic Entities, people get hesitant.

Originally posted by leonidas
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i agree it MAY be possible for him to throw those ww-type blows. i disagree though that we should simply assume he can. because he never has.

We know that moving at light speed gives Zoom sufficient mass to strike with the force of Superman -- we know he is capable of accelerating to light speed instantaneously (literally) -- we know he can blitz an opponent with (no less than) thousands of punches in that same span of time. To me, it's one of those '1+1=?' things... But opinions vary, and you are more than welcome to yours.

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Epic.

I disagree with him applying feats to characters FAR beyond what they've ever done on panel - but his theories really are pretty accurate.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hahaha, translation: Galactus wins because he's a Cosmic Entity.

Galactus/Infinity Gauntlet Thanos/Spectre have never shown the reflexes to react to Zoom level speed, meaning at bare minimum, Zoom has a decent shot of winning.

For the record, if we really want to apply the logic all the way, trillions of punches would be lowballing Zoom in all honesty.

Yes he has a shot at winning because he can launch a multitude of offenses against Galactus or any abstract just like with any other character he has a massive speed advantage over.

However none of those tactics would be effective against a pure energy being like Galactus.
You can't steal speed from energy and you can't dump him into the speed force because he would just come back.
Physical attacks are even more unlikely to work
The only way I could see Zoom getting a win is if he tried to overload Galactus with kinetic energy.

As it stands CISless Zoom could stalemate but he'd lost a lot more often
Now this has nothing to do with the fight with Odin back on topic

Originally posted by Galan007
To me, it's one of those '1+1=?' things...

The word 'logic' doesn't apply to speedsters at all. Ever.