Gabriel Belmont vs. Kratos

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kratos has to get the chance to do so and has never done so as easily as gabriel has torn someone like the Forgotten One in half.

You have no proof and are speculating but you yourself agree.

Real logic says punching something as hard as rock is more impressive than lifting something really heavy.

No, it just shows he's strong enough to resist Cronos' hands or fingers for a moment but still gets cut by beings far smaller than Cronos.

Coleman is much stronger yet Tyson is strong enough to hurt him. Same point. Gabriel is strong enough to hurt him his fists aren't even phased by boulders.

Gabriel can kill powerful vampires, old gods like Pan, Lycans, dark angels, death lords, huge titans, and powerful demons. Yeah, Kratos is in for it.

I didn't whine I simply understood it as an insult to which you tried saying it wasn't. I'm used to winning and making my points clear unlike yourself who is used to insulting because he lacks debating skill.

These first 3 claims are not even arguments really, your just repeating yourself witohut adding anything. Real logic says nothing about punching rocks, your talking nonsense.

If your refering to something Gabriel does not have to cut kratos with like the strength of Zeus with the BoO on a weak Kratos then yes Kratos "can" be cut. Gabrile has yet to show that power.

Hes human, give him Kratos durability and he wont be hurt, simple.

But their not powerful in Kratos' eyes, while Gabrieil is messing about staking Camilla who is basically a giant bat, Kratos is fighting an enormous poseidon created monster almost the length of mount olmypus and drags titans down walls, the scale of power is enormous. At another time, the "huge titans" you claim Gabriel fights are at best a few hundred feet tall and made of stone. Kratos is fighting actual living Titans the size of skyscrapers, actually taking their blows not just avoiding them and preceiding to rip them apart.

Originally posted by Burning thought
These first 3 claims are not even arguments really, your just repeating yourself witohut adding anything. Real logic says nothing about punching rocks, your talking nonsense.

If your refering to something Gabriel does not have to cut kratos with like the strength of Zeus with the BoO on a weak Kratos then yes Kratos "can" be cut. Gabrile has yet to show that power.

Hes human, give him Kratos durability and he wont be hurt, simple.

But their not powerful in Kratos' eyes, while Gabrieil is messing about staking Camilla who is basically a giant bat, Kratos is fighting an enormous poseidon created monster almost the length of mount olmypus and drags titans down walls, the scale of power is enormous. At another time, the "huge titans" you claim Gabriel fights are at best a few hundred feet tall and made of stone. Kratos is fighting actual living Titans the size of skyscrapers, actually taking their blows not just avoiding them and preceiding to rip them apart.

Gabriel showed that power against the Forgotten One. Shop me one instance canonically of Kratos resisting being cut since throughout gameplay he can be killed by enemy weapons the entire time. Bout time you back up your claim.

Who's human ?

Carmilla isn't just a powerful bat and the vampire lords she oversees aren't as powerful as she is such as Oxford. The point is staking her won't kill her whereas this would either kill Kratos or put him down.

Gabriel fights enormous creatures like the dragolich which seems bigger than that so even in his game he takes on monsters that size and bigger and has the power to hurt them. Yes, made of stone means more durable than beings made of flesh. Thanks for agreeing. Kratos cuts one through the inside of his stomach which Gabirle himself can also cut through flesh without the worry of being attacked in the safety of his stomach.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Real logic says flesh punching something as solid as rock that your flesh will give way before the flesh. That's real life. I've already defeated your arguments and you yoursel ftrap someone in a circular debate.

Gabriel showed that power against the Forgotten One. Shop me one instance canonically of Kratos resisting being cut since throughout gameplay he can be killed by enemy weapons the entire time. Bout time you back up your claim.

Who's human ?

Carmilla isn't just a powerful bat and the vampire lords she oversees aren't as powerful as she is such as Oxford. The point is staking her won't kill her whereas this would either kill Kratos or put him down.

Gabriel fights enormous creatures like the dragolich which seems bigger than that so even in his game he takes on monsters that size and bigger and has the power to hurt them. Yes, made of stone means more durable than beings made of flesh. Thanks for agreeing. Kratos cuts one through the inside of his stomach which Gabirle himself can also cut through flesh without the worry of being attacked in the safety of his stomach.

I dont know what you said there, i think you meant flesh give way before the rock or vice versa, thats not real logic when it comes to Kratos or someone stronger. You cannot "defeat them" until I am convinced, otherwise your just blowing hot air.

😆 what power? just because he defeated the Forgotten one who btw was also fairly featless if your best showings so far (not shown by you but someone else may I add) is him grabbing Gabriel and tossing him about, the Forgotten one seems fairly weak. I backed it up with the Chronos thing, Poseidon etc, they all show more force than Gabriel with a blade.

Yes she is, she acts like a large bat, thats it. She does not show any more great powers, I mean her castle collapse around her and such and I think she has some magic power but other than that nothing impressive compared to what Kratos has faced. 😆 Kratos would never be staked though, certainly not by Gabriel and certainly not on a steeple.

Nah, the Dragolich is nowhere near as big, but Gabriel never has it smash its strength against him and live, Gabriel unlike Kratos has to avoid every attack and strike weak points like bits of magic seals holding it together iirc. What? no, not at all and tbh again, Gabriel has to hit pressure/power points he does not just smash away the things stone body or take any strikes from it. How do you argue Gabriel can do the same? hes not got half the power of Kratos, or the strength.

Coleman.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont know what you said there, i think you meant flesh give way before the rock or vice versa, thats not real logic when it comes to Kratos or someone stronger. You cannot "defeat them" until I am convinced, otherwise your just blowing hot air.

😆 what power? just because he defeated the Forgotten one who btw was also fairly featless if your best showings so far (not shown by you but someone else may I add) is him grabbing Gabriel and tossing him about, the Forgotten one seems fairly weak. I backed it up with the Chronos thing, Poseidon etc, they all show more force than Gabriel with a blade.

Yes she is, she acts like a large bat, thats it. She does not show any more great powers, I mean her castle collapse around her and such and I think she has some magic power but other than that nothing impressive compared to what Kratos has faced. 😆 Kratos would never be staked though, certainly not by Gabriel and certainly not on a steeple.

Nah, the Dragolich is nowhere near as big, but Gabriel never has it smash its strength against him and live, Gabriel unlike Kratos has to avoid every attack and strike weak points like bits of magic seals holding it together iirc. What? no, not at all and tbh again, Gabriel has to hit pressure/power points he does not just smash away the things stone body or take any strikes from it. How do you argue Gabriel can do the same? hes not got half the power of Kratos, or the strength.

Coleman.

I've already explained his feats but feats don't matter because you think Hephaestus can destroy gabriel despite his overwhelming long list of feats. That's called a double standard.

So now you make it clear you didn't understand the game. You think she's just a giant bat woman. K. Kratos can't survive or fight on like she did so whether he gets staked is irrelevant to my point that he can't still maintain his composure with that big of a wound in his body so despite downplaying her into batlady you also downplay kratos by doing so since a batlady can do it yet he can't. Brilliant.

Yes, the Dragolich is huge since you see how enormous it is while riding on it. gabriel does show the tactics needed to think on his feet and with the power to hurt and defeat it. Gabriel is strong enough to rip through flesh as he has shown numerous times and because he slams down boulders in fights and stone. The guy has definitively proven he can cut through flesh.

Coleman doesn't have kratos strength but just like Kratos he isn't immune to being pierced by his peers.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Being stronger doesn't translate into being more durable. Sure Cronos is strong enough to carry a mountain on his back but his flesh isn't more durable than that mountain. Common sense.

I've already explained his feats but feats don't matter because you think Hephaestus can destroy gabriel despite his overwhelming long list of feats. That's called a double standard.

So now you make it clear you didn't understand the game. You think she's just a giant bat woman. K. Kratos can't survive or fight on like she did so whether he gets staked is irrelevant to my point that he can't still maintain his composure with that big of a wound in his body so despite downplaying her into batlady you also downplay kratos by doing so since a batlady can do it yet he can't. Brilliant.

Yes, the Dragolich is huge since you see how enormous it is while riding on it. gabriel does show the tactics needed to think on his feet and with the power to hurt and defeat it. Gabriel is strong enough to rip through flesh as he has shown numerous times and because he slams down boulders in fights and stone. The guy has definitively proven he can cut through flesh.

Coleman doesn't have kratos strength but just like Kratos he isn't immune to being pierced by his peers.

Often it does because you cannot work with enormous forces if your flesh, bones etc break under such stress, therefore they are stronger. For example, on a smaller scale ants in real life can harm eachother, hurt other creatures but an ant biting a human is almost nothing, you can barely feel it (small leaf cutters, I am not talking bullet ants here).

Not really, because numerous feats dont beat several good ones, or common sense. nothing Gabriel has done matches holding a red hot furnace hammer wielded by someone as large as Hepheastus.

I seem to understand it more than you do, since you seem to think Gabriel can hold giant red hot hammers and do more damage than Chronos 😆 , Camilla was effectively a giant bat, the fact shes a lord of shadow with some extra powers does not change this. Batlady if thats what you want to call Camilla has never been struck but the forces Kratos has. If Hulk died because the living tribunal blasted a hole through his chest with a cosmic blast or w/e, would you say that hes automatically less impressive than Camilla in endurance? your taking context out of the argument hence why your argument is poor and unconvincing.

You can knock the "power" from your claims since all he had to do was strike a few seals. what flesh?, GoW Zeus' flesh? Marvel Odins flesh? a normal humans flesh? Again your taking a lot out of context, you generalise flesh as if its all the same.

Only gabriel is not his peer, Zeus with the Blade of Olmypus may be close (and the one time Zeus suceeds, Kratos is a wreck who can barely stand iirc) but Gabriel as I said before, may as well be a normal human striking a Challenger tank with a rock.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Often it does because you cannot work with enormous forces if your flesh, bones etc break under such stress, therefore they are stronger. For example, on a smaller scale ants in real life can harm eachother, hurt other creatures but an ant biting a human is almost nothing, you can barely feel it (small leaf cutters, I am not talking bullet ants here).

Not really, because numerous feats dont beat several good ones, or common sense. nothing Gabriel has done matches holding a red hot furnace hammer wielded by someone as large as Hepheastus.

I seem to understand it more than you do, since you seem to think Gabriel can hold giant red hot hammers and do more damage than Chronos 😆 , Camilla was effectively a giant bat, the fact shes a lord of shadow with some extra powers does not change this. Batlady if thats what you want to call Camilla has never been struck but the forces Kratos has. If Hulk died because the living tribunal blasted a hole through his chest with a cosmic blast or w/e, would you say that hes automatically less impressive than Camilla in endurance? your taking context out of the argument hence why your argument is poor and unconvincing.

You can knock the "power" from your claims since all he had to do was strike a few seals. [b]what flesh?, GoW Zeus' flesh? Marvel Odins flesh? a normal humans flesh? Again your taking a lot out of context, you generalise flesh as if its all the same.

Only gabriel is not his peer, Zeus with the Blade of Olmypus may be close (and the one time Zeus suceeds, Kratos is a wreck who can barely stand iirc) but Gabriel as I said before, may as well be a normal human striking a Challenger tank with a rock. [/B]

So now you agree feats only matter when you say they do thus proving you use double standards. Hephaestus has no feats and his claim to fame is sneakily attacking and failing to kill kratos. Oh yeah Zeus beat the tar out of him yet you claim he'd kill Gabriel. I'm consistent you aren't.

I don't think Gabriel can crush Kratos with his fingers but I never said he would anyways. Gabriel isn't going to try and crush him with strength. You tried comparing the two and abandoned all common sense to pretend they are the same thing.

She is lord of the vampires and is more than a giant bat. The fact you call her a giant bat shows how ignorant you are. Kratos can't survive and fight back while being impaled whereas batlady usa can. Win one for lords of shadow. You have no choice but to agree and thus undermine Kratos.

I'd say Hulk can survive this whereas Superman couldn't. The person doing it is irrelevant some characters can survive these things and some cannot aka Kratos.

What did Cronos' flesh resist to prove he's super invulnerable ? I'm a giant to a bee yet they can pierce me but not a small rock. See the difference ?

Gabriel isn't a normal human he's a vampiric lord whose feats speak for themselves whereas Kratos has been killed and is portrayed throughout the entire game as being able to be cut with no proof to suggest otherwise except selective reasoning. I ignore nothing whereas you selectively choose when to apply feats and when to ignore them. Oh Hypocrite thy name is Bt.

Camilla pretty much follows the traditonal rules of vampire, , and one of them is that a vampire can be kill by a stake or a sliver daggar to the heart.

Originally posted by unrealman
Camilla pretty much follows the traditonal rules of vampire, , and one of them is that a vampire can be kill by a stake or a sliver daggar to the heart.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ants and bugs can still pierce you flesh. The point is ants can't do anything to stone.

So now you agree feats only matter when you say they do thus proving you use double standards. Hephaestus has no feats and his claim to fame is sneakily attacking and failing to kill kratos. Oh yeah Zeus beat the tar out of him yet you claim he'd kill Gabriel. I'm consistent you aren't.

I don't think Gabriel can crush Kratos with his fingers but I never said he would anyways. Gabriel isn't going to try and crush him with strength. You tried comparing the two and abandoned all common sense to pretend they are the same thing.

She is lord of the vampires and is more than a giant bat. The fact you call her a giant bat shows how ignorant you are. Kratos can't survive and fight back while being impaled whereas batlady usa can. Win one for lords of shadow. You have no choice but to agree and thus undermine Kratos.

I'd say Hulk can survive this whereas Superman couldn't. The person doing it is irrelevant some characters can survive these things and some cannot aka Kratos.

What did Cronos' flesh resist to prove he's super invulnerable ? I'm a giant to a bee yet they can pierce me but not a small rock. See the difference ?

Gabriel isn't a normal human he's a vampiric lord whose feats speak for themselves whereas Kratos has been killed and is portrayed throughout the entire game as being able to be cut with no proof to suggest otherwise except selective reasoning. I ignore nothing whereas you selectively choose when to apply feats and when to ignore them. Oh Hypocrite thy name is Bt.

Depends, I dont think a ant in my garden could pierce me as much as it tries although I dont know why you brought up stone, stone much like kratos' body has far higher durability/density.

I never agreed to that, stop trying to put words in my mouth, certainly not BS I would never say. You cant just claim a load of feats and claim its better than anything else, especially when thier poor like Gabriels. Zeus would kick the tar out of the Forgotten one, Gabriel and all the lords of shadow at once.

He needs strength to do damage, your keep going on about some BS is going to damage Kratos, which means your cliaming he can do more damage than Chronos....a load of rubbish basically with no backing.

Wow a wonderful title, so shes a giant bat lord...thats pretty much it. I cant belive your trying to compare a steeple off some roof to the weapons Kratos has been hit by...again, rubbish.

What is it with you and bees, there are no doubt hundreds of creatures that cannot pierce a humans flesh, bees have a tiny acidic hook of a tail, this is not alike to a combat cross on Kratos, surface areas compared to overall areas etc.

They speak for him being a couple of tons stronger at best than a normal human. Portrayed throughout the entire game ot be ridiculously durable and requiring divine weapons wielded by divine beings to harm him. Youve ignored every feat and base your entire argument on who you think you can overhype the most or who seems "cooler" in the game, most if not all your characters you give a pat on the back have little feats, it was the same with Dragon age.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Depends, I dont think a ant in my garden could pierce me as much as it tries although I dont know why you brought up stone, stone much like kratos' body has far higher durability/density.

I never agreed to that, stop trying to put words in my mouth, certainly not BS I would never say. You cant just claim a load of feats and claim its better than anything else, especially when thier poor like Gabriels. Zeus would kick the tar out of the Forgotten one, Gabriel and all the lords of shadow at once.

He needs strength to do damage, your keep going on about some BS is going to damage Kratos, which means your cliaming he can do more damage than Chronos....a load of rubbish basically with no backing.

Wow a wonderful title, so shes a giant bat lord...thats pretty much it. I cant belive your trying to compare a steeple off some roof to the weapons Kratos has been hit by...again, rubbish.

What is it with you and bees, there are no doubt hundreds of creatures that cannot pierce a humans flesh, bees have a tiny acidic hook of a tail, this is not alike to a combat cross on Kratos, surface areas compared to overall areas etc.

They speak for him being a couple of tons stronger at best than a normal human. Portrayed throughout the entire game ot be ridiculously durable and requiring divine weapons wielded by divine beings to harm him. Youve ignored every feat and base your entire argument on who you think you can overhype the most or who seems "cooler" in the game, most if not all your characters you give a pat on the back have little feats, it was the same with Dragon age.

I can claim that his feats are superior to Hephaestus who beat no one. You make it obvious you are hypocritical in the fact that Hephaestus doesn't have a single impressive feat combat wise ye you suggest he easily destroys Gabriel who is loaded with them. I guess in your mind Hephaestus is greater than satan, Forgotten One, all the Lords of Shadow and when asked for proof you say because.

Gabriel does have insane strength. Honestly ? When you played through the game and ran into characters like the Gravedigger who the game tells you can cleave a man in two with one swipe of his shovel and the fact Gabriel beats him do you not think this required strength and skill ? Seriously.

She can resist the damage to her body that Kratos can't. That's the point. You don't even understand my points and seem rather confused.

I agree his combat cross is much more impressive than a bees stinger so you agree I am right. Progress.

Pot calling the kettle black. You seem to make a habit out of this wit Kain. Gabriel's skill would eat someone like Kain for breakfast in a fight. I didn't ignore any feat you made a claim you can't prove that Kratos can't be pierced by Gabriel's cross of by his power.

Kratos' skin has never been as hard as stone, that's right. It's always been harder.

Once more, there is no such as thing as 'piercing' damage; Only force applied to a smaller area. PSI basically.

A hammer swung with enough force can cut better than a sword, provided it is swung with enough force to overcome the fact that it has greater surface area than the sword's blade.

And yes. Kratos has plenty of 'piercing' tanking feats, too lazy to show all of them. Here's this non-optional QTE in chains of olympus for one (first game in the timeline): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0iCBK_dVHU Starts at 2:53, the Basilisk grips down on Kratos' midsection with its large sharp teeth and tosses him. No damage. Again, that QTE is non-optional.

He's only ever been pierced by people who are thousands if not millions of times more physically powerful than Gabriel.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kratos' body has never been as hard as stone nor do you have any examples of anything cutscene wise being resisting piercing and the entire gamre makes it clear if you let Kratos get attacked he gets killed.

I can claim that his feats are superior to Hephaestus who beat no one. You make it obvious you are hypocritical in the fact that Hephaestus doesn't have a single impressive feat combat wise ye you suggest he easily destroys Gabriel who is loaded with them. I guess in your mind Hephaestus is greater than satan, Forgotten One, all the Lords of Shadow and when asked for proof you say because.

Gabriel does have insane strength. Honestly ? When you played through the game and ran into characters like the Gravedigger who the game tells you can cleave a man in two with one swipe of his shovel and the fact Gabriel beats him do you not think this required strength and skill ? Seriously.

She can resist the damage to her body that Kratos can't. That's the point. You don't even understand my points and seem rather confused.

I agree his combat cross is much more impressive than a bees stinger so you agree I am right. Progress.

Pot calling the kettle black. You seem to make a habit out of this wit Kain. Gabriel's skill would eat someone like Kain for breakfast in a fight. I didn't ignore any feat you made a claim you can't prove that Kratos can't be pierced by Gabriel's cross of by his power.

Its been harder, Chronos can create thousands of tons of force, I dont know of a regular stone of equel mass as Kratos to just sit unharmed.

He can kill Gabriel with a hammer strike because hes large and strong, thats more than Gabriel can do with his piss poor feats. It does not take much to be "stronger" in physical power to your examples since most of them have little feats.

Thats not impressive, a lot of things can cleave a man in two so your talking BS. Humans are not that durable in a fictional world where people like Kratos can move tons.

😆 no she cannot resist any damage, which is the point. He can resist thousands of tons, she gets impaled by a tiny steeple and simply "lives", its not impressive.

Problem with the cross is that its hitting more of surface area than a bees sting, so hes got to break more of a persons body than a bee does....PSI. only of course, I never argued Gabriel could not kill/pierce a human silly.

No not really. 😆 kain would move his hand slightly and Gabriel will choke to death like moebius. Yes you did, your ignoring the whole list of feats from Posiedon to the chronos slap, which have even been shown yet with your bag empty of evidence you sit there claiming a man with a hunk of metal is going to harm Kratos when a Titan cannot, bullshit.

Also Cosmic above said similiar things and has another feat in video form. You have nothing to claim against any of us, we have far more knowledge on both series than you.

@Cosmic Comet

I won't watch the video since I haven't played the psp god of war games yet. I also don't see the general enemies he fights on average as being stronger than Gabriel yet they can harm him.

Gabriel has the feats and the power to end Kratos imo.

"general enemies", e.g. gameplay mechanics. Your ignoring forum rules, gameplay mechanics are ignored, they have been for years in this forum. In canon none of the general enemies have touched Kratos.

Your opinion is useless when you dont know how to gauge feats, or how to argue games vs.

Originally posted by Burning thought
"general enemies", e.g. gameplay mechanics. Your ignoring forum rules, gameplay mechanics are ignored, they have been for years in this forum. In canon none of the general enemies have touched Kratos.

Your opinion is useless when you dont know how to gauge feats, or how to argue games vs.

You said Hephaestus beats Gabriel despite him not having any feats.

Not by general enemies hes not. All this "portrayed" rubbish exists in comics I am guessing, games vs does not base characters off whatever gameplay mechanics show because their there for player fun/challenge or what have you, you cannot accuratly argue characters from a canon perspective. Feats, canon ones all suggest hes immune to anything Gabriel has and anything his general enemies have. Hilarious how this needs to be explained, its in the rules and its common sense..if any standard skeleton can stab and kill Kratos he would not be able to survive Chronos' hands, Hercules, poseidon, fight zeus for a second etc. You are not being logical.

He has size, Titans like Chronos, Gaia do not need feats to suggest their strong, by virtue of weight and the ability to lift themselves they have a feat anyway. One far beyond Gabriel, your the one claiming he has no feats.

There's no spoiler in watching that video Quan, just simply skip forward to 2:53. Kratos is getting bitten across the midsection by this thing:

In canon scenes he's cut by two main culprits

1.) Ares in giant God form, who threw a pillar that would weigh about at least a ton, at hypersonic speeds--(it crossed dozens of miles in a few seconds).

Even when Kratos was hit by that, it was still a durability feat since a normal man would have simply exploded on contact, Kratos wasn't even cut in half when he could have been if the pillar went all the way through him. Its base was wider than his torso so the fact that it didn't even go all the way through him meant his body was durable enough to slow down its momentum greatly.

2. The Blade of Olympus wielded by Zeus when Kratos was weakened and had drained all of his godly power into the blade. And later Kratos stabs himself with it in God of War 3 after having to charge it up first.

Zeus and Ares are on a higher strength tier than Gabriel by far.

To add on those:

Kratos was not as strong in either defeat as he is now, hes had a lot of boosts from the Titans, and possibly even the Gods/Athena (transcendant included) since then.

As soon as you start trying to lowball kratos, despite recent feats surpassing any others and him being far weaker at those times, sometimes near death you need to look back at the fiction and try again.

And, as Cosmic said. Bringing up the whole "kratos has been cut" bs is not going to cover the context up, e.g. the only time he was canonically harmed was by ridiculous, divine power.

how to kill a vampire ( note this doesn't work on Vampires like Kain, but works on your typical vampire)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzUXLPt-5Po

the typical vampire has to be stake driectly in the heart, and Carmilla was not impale in the heart by the building, neather did Gab impale her in the heart before that, and the building was not a wooden stake or a silver daggar. he only did it at the end , the spot he impales his combat cross into at the end is her heart. it doesn't take ridiculous divine power to kill the typical vampire

What was the combat cross stake made of? was it wood? I cannot remember, if it was this is even less impresive, imagine trying to stick a piece of wood of that size into someone like Kratos who can take Titan slaps, it would splinter.