James Howlett vs. Eric Brooks

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
sorry but how does different location evidence to support one another?

I fail to see how a shot through eye, is evidence for shot through the jaw, is evidence for shot through the nose, is evidence for a shot through the ear.

How on earth can u not understand that they are not evidence that support one another. There each different location, and for ur arguement to be possible, logan head would look like a friggin jig saw puzzle. How on earth can u earth can u even argue that?

"Wolverine's skull should exactly be like a real life regular human's! And if it's perfectly lined with metal, there aren't any gaps!"

Well, from all those myriad examples, it's immutably clear that his comic book fictional skull is not exactly like a regular human's. Like I said, clear on-panel proof is enough to prove that I'm right on this issue. That should be the end of it. Unfortunately for you, I have enough clear on-panel proof that proves you are dead wrong on this issue. No two ways about where we stand.

I can't believe you guys haven't gotten over this.

Originally posted by Trackz
No it wasn't, the penance stare stunned Blade for a bit and they read another spell which reversed his transformation. Blade's never been a human, even back then he was always a Dhampir and couldn't be turned.

Blade, even right after reading the darkhold, single handedly beat Werewolf by Night, Frank Drake, and Hannibal King, and wrecked Ghost Rider right after. SwitchBlade should definitely beat Wolverine, or he could just go around for the rest of the month killing monsters which is what he does in his free time anyway.

The magic weapons Blade uses dont use the weaknesses of the monsters theyre against. Everyone knows the weaknesses of vampires and such, they dont have a weakness to any other magic though. That's why Dr. Strange and Ghost Rider still have hard times combatting vampires and such (an average vampire tooled Ghost Rider back when he was weaker of course).

The bolo he used in x-men was analyzed by Dr. Nemesis and he couldn't understand how it worked, he just knew it did. (meaning it didn't utilize any of the vampires weaknesses).

I thought it was destroyed but I haven't read Midnight Massacre in a long time. I'm aware that Blade couldn't be turned but I think he would still considered human, he had no other supernatural abilities after all, and like I said I'm pretty sure it was part of the story that only a human could read or reverse the spell. Blade is no longer a human.

If an ordained minister blessed that bolo it would be effective against Vampires... but what would Dr. Nemesis find in a scan? Nothing, it isn't like that is the sort of thing that could be measured or would show up on a scan. You are reaching to assume that since he couldn't figure out how it worked (duh, it's magic and he is a scientist) that that means it works on everyone, it doesn't, it works on Vampires.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I thought it was destroyed but I haven't read Midnight Massacre in a long time. I'm aware that Blade couldn't be turned but I think he would still considered human, he had no other supernatural abilities after all, and like I said I'm pretty sure it was part of the story that only a human could read or reverse the spell. Blade is no longer a human.

If an ordained minister blessed that bolo it would be effective against Vampires... but what would Dr. Nemesis find in a scan? Nothing, it isn't like that is the sort of thing that could be measured or would show up on a scan. You are reaching to assume that since he couldn't figure out how it worked (duh, it's magic and he is a scientist) that that means it works on everyone, it doesn't, it works on Vampires.

I'm not sure blessing an object ever rendered a vampire immobile...if so you could just bless all of the x-men and their punches would send vampires up in flame, only certain holy objects work which is why the only one who could benefit from being blessed was Bobby since holy water is a weakness...hell they could've turned utopia into a church if a blessing was all that was needed. Despite him being a scientist he recognizes that there are certain weaknesses vampires have, the bolo wasn't silver and it looks to be made from a couple of demon skulls.

I don't even think Blade read the darkhold to turn into switchblade, he got a letter with a spell from the darkhold and that changed him

edit.

I checked to make sure, there were pages that were loose, Blade tracked down a page, frank tried to incinerate with hell fire but Blade grabbed it before it could be destroyed and became SwitchBlade.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
These excuses are as sad as they are hilarious. Why would you post scans where it's equally just as possible that Wolverine had his brain penetrated through his eye and healed back from it? Get over it guys. Seriously.

Wolverine can have his brain penetrated through his skull. Why? Because it's happened numerous times on-panel. <--- This would be the end of discussion if we were arguing that Superman can have his energy drained, or Thor needs Mjolnir to fly, etc.

This being Wolverine, and the notion offending your delicate sensibilities about him, doesn't change that. Clear evidence rules.

And acting like I don't have multiple examples is retarded. You want to rely on the possible theory that Wolverine's skull should be exactly like a human skull with no gaps large enough for bullets/claws to penetrate cleanly?

Sorry. That possibility is busted by the numerous times Woverine's skull has been proven to have gaps large enough for bullets/claws/arrows penetrate. This projection of real life anatomy onto a fictional feral mutant is, and always has been, still-born based on clear, non-circumstantial on-panel evidence. Which is why all those examples are posted. Much to your butt-hurt chagrin, I'm sure. One should have been enough. A few is overkill. And here, we have more than a bunch.

Get. Over. It.

Wolverine can't have his brain penetrated through his eye socket or auditory canal, he has an Adamantium skull. We've seen his sphenoid bone and we've seen his temporal bone, that eliminates the possibility of it happening. You have one example of Wolverine being shot in the eye, so you try to artificially pad your "evidence" with examples that are completely irrelevant. A single PIS example of Wolverine getting shot in the ear doesn't validate Wolverine getting shot in the eye. A single PIS example of Wolverine getting shot in the base of the skull under his jaw, doesn't validate Wolverine getting shot in the ear. They have nothing to do with one another. I have more evidence then you do, and my evidence falls in line with Wolverine's continuity, the visualizations of his skeleton as well as human anatomy. You have a few isolated examples of PIS that prove nothing. Wolverine has been shot in the eye to no avail more then the opposite has happened... much more. The fact that this one time he was totally shot in the ear with a cross bow, doesn't change that or make your sad excuse of an argument any stronger.

I'm sorry you are butt hurt that Midnighter can't beat Wolverine, but you need to move on.

Originally posted by Trackz
He could sense the super natural as well, but regardless he was never considered human.

I'm not sure blessing an object ever rendered a vampire immobile...if so you could just bless all of the x-men and their punches would send vampires up in flame, only certain holy objects work which is why the only one who could benefit from being blessed was Bobby since holy water is a weakness...hell they could've turned utopia into a church if a blessing was all that was needed. Despite him being a scientist he recognizes that there are certain weaknesses vampires have, the bolo wasn't silver and it looks to be made from a couple of demon skulls.

That's what the did with Iceman hehe

Originally posted by Trackz
I don't even think Blade read the darkhold to turn into switchblade, he got a letter with a spell from the darkhold and that changed him

I thought it was page ripped from the book?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine can't have his brain penetrated through his eye socket or auditory canal, he has an Adamantium skull. We've seen his sphenoid bone and we've seen his temporal bone, that eliminates the possibility of it happening. You have one example of Wolverine being shot in the eye, so you try to artificially pad your "evidence" with examples that are completely irrelevant. A single PIS example of Wolverine getting shot in the ear doesn't validate Wolverine getting shot in the eye. A single PIS example of Wolverine getting shot in the base of the skull under his jaw, doesn't validate Wolverine getting shot in the ear. They have nothing to do with one another. I have more evidence then you do, and my evidence falls in line with Wolverine's continuity, the visualizations of his skeleton as well as human anatomy. You have a few isolated examples of PIS that prove nothing. Wolverine has been shot in the eye to no avail more then the opposite has happened... much more. The fact that this one time he was totally shot in the ear with a cross bow, doesn't change that or make your sad excuse of an argument any stronger.

I'm sorry you are butt hurt that Midnighter can't beat Wolverine, but you need to move on.

This whole cockamamie "Wolverine can't have his skull penetrated because of human anatomy" myth has been busted from the very beginning simply by the existence of numerous times on-panel instances. If some schmoe argued that Superman can't have his energies drained and it happens a dozen times (and maybe a few times we're not sure it did), that's it. Superman can have his energy drained. This situation is no different.

You know this to be true. Stop lying to yourselves about it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine can't have his brain penetrated through his eye socket or auditory canal, he has an Adamantium skull. We've seen his sphenoid bone and we've seen his temporal bone, that eliminates the possibility of it happening. You have one example of Wolverine being shot in the eye, so you try to artificially pad your "evidence" with examples that are completely irrelevant. A single PIS example of Wolverine getting shot in the ear doesn't validate Wolverine getting shot in the eye. A single PIS example of Wolverine getting shot in the base of the skull under his jaw, doesn't validate Wolverine getting shot in the ear. They have nothing to do with one another. I have more evidence then you do, and my evidence falls in line with Wolverine's continuity, the visualizations of his skeleton as well as human anatomy. You have a few isolated examples of PIS that prove nothing. Wolverine has been shot in the eye to no avail more then the opposite has happened... much more. The fact that this one time he was totally shot in the ear with a cross bow, doesn't change that or make your sad excuse of an argument any stronger.

I'm sorry you are butt hurt that Midnighter can't beat Wolverine, but you need to move on.

^ Bullsh1t. Don't insult my intelligence. You guys are lying to yourselves. It's sad.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That's what the did with Iceman hehe

I thought it was page ripped from the book?

Also in my post I thought I explained why Iceman is the only one that would work on, cause holy water is just blessed water, but vampires can't be defeated by anything blessed, and regardless blessed items cause the mto burn and sizzle, the bolo rendered the vampire immobile.

I mean how much more can he grasp at. I mean it common senses that a shot through the ear, does not support a shot through the jaw does not support a shot through the nose, and so on an so forth.

But what else is new, he needs this myth of his in order to pretend his boy MN wins, let him live in his little fantasy world, if he must. Better off ignoring him.

^ Again. You're all lying to yourselves. Pretending like there's still some room for doubt. No. There isn't. Especially when y'all know this just happened only three months ago in Wolverine: The Best There Is #3-4:

You knew this happened. Don't pretend like you didn't fawn over all the crazy other healing feats he had in these issues in Wolverine's respect thread. I imagine your utter shock and dismay at what a bitter pill this must have been. What? You don't think I read Wolverine comics?

And the answer is "yes." I knew this entire time since it was published only a few months ago. And the other answer is "no." I wasn't going to rub it in your faces even when a bait thread on this topic was created to troll me. I simply hadn't expected to be confronted with the same delusional bullsh1t arguments. And I'm supremely disappointed you guys would continue lying to yourselves. But you have, and you are. Weaksauce. Phucking weaksauce.

The notion that Wolverine's fictional comic book mutant skull works exactly like a real life human skull is an utter falsity. Seriously, I've said it before back in 2008, I'll say it again here in 2011. It's happened before on-panel. It keeps happening again on-panel recently. It will, in all likelihood, continue to happen on-panel in the future (like it has numerous times since y'all began this charade in 2008).

It's how the comics work. It's inarguably legitimate for KMC debates. It always was. It always will be. Just. Deal. With. It.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You guys really haven't gotten over this? Really? After all the times it's already clearly happened on-panel? Seriously? The best you can do is keep offering scans where Wolverine possibly was shot in the eye and it penetrated and he healed?

This whole cockamamie "Wolverine can't have his skull penetrated because of human anatomy" myth has been busted from the very beginning simply by the existence of numerous times on-panel instances. If some schmoe argued that Superman can't have his energies drained and it happens a dozen times (and maybe a few times we're not sure it did), that's it. Superman can have his energy drained. This situation is no different.

You know this to be true. Stop lying to yourselves about it.

And the best you can offer is examples where Wolverine was possibly shot in the eye, and the force of the bullet connecting with the sphenoid bone was enough to cause a brief incapacitation. Other then the Mystique example (the only valid one you have FYI), the crossbow bolt incident is the only example you have cited that can't be explained away in this manor. It isn't just human anatomy, it is Wolverine's anatomy as well. We've seen the damn bones, there is no arguing it. If there was eight examples where Superman couldn't have his energy drained, and one example where he could... would that mean Superman could have his energy drained? Because that is this situation. Pretty simple, I have more examples then you do, and my examples don't contradict anything... why would we discard the majority in favour of a minority, especially when that minority would require use to take the absurd believe that Wolverine is missing bones we've actually seen that he has?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And the best you can offer is examples where Wolverine was possibly shot in the eye, and the force of the bullet connecting with the sphenoid bone was enough to cause a brief incapacitation. Other then the Mystique example (the only valid one you have FYI), the crossbow bolt incident is the only example you have cited that can't be explained away in this manor. It isn't just human anatomy, it is Wolverine's anatomy as well. We've seen the damn bones, there is no arguing it. If there was eight examples where Superman couldn't have his energy drained, and one example where he could... would that mean Superman could have his energy drained? Because that is this situation. Pretty simple, I have more examples then you do, and my examples don't contradict anything... why would we discard the majority in favour of a minority, especially when that minority would require use to take the absurd believe that Wolverine is missing bones we've actually seen that he has?

Consider your foot stuck in your mouth. I'd recommend you use your other foot to kick yourself in the a$$. You have nobody to blame but yourself. This should never have been an issue. Never. Point of fact, it never actually was.

And I'm disappointed ya'll kept lying to yourselves about this.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Again. You're all lying to yourselves. Pretending like there's still some room for doubt. No. There isn't. Especially when y'all know this just happened only three months ago in Wolverine: The Best There Is #3-4:

You knew this happened. Don't pretend like you didn't fawn over all the crazy other healing feats he had in these issues in Wolverine's respect thread. I imagine your utter shock and dismay at what a bitter pill this must have been. What? You don't think I read Wolverine comics?

And the answer is "yes." I knew this entire time since it was published only a few months ago. And the other answer is "no." I wasn't going to rub it in your faces even when a bait thread on this topic was created to troll me. I simply hadn't expected to be confronted with the same delusional bullsh1t arguments. And I'm supremely disappointed you guys would continue lying to yourselves. But you have, and you are. Weaksauce. Phucking weaksauce.

The notion that Wolverine's fictional comic book mutant skull works exactly like a real life human skull is an utter falsity. Seriously, I've said it before back in 2008, I'll say it again here in 2011. It's happened before on-panel. It keeps happening again on-panel recently. It will, in all likelihood, continue to happen on-panel in the future (like it has numerous times since y'all began this charade in 2008).

It's how the comics work. It's inarguably legitimate for KMC debates. It always was. It always will be. Just. Deal. With. It.

PIS. Even if there weren't more examples to support my opinion - which there is - it would still be PIS. We've seen the bones, and we've seen examples where he is unable to be shoot through the eye, so until it is said in print somewhere "Wolverine unlike regular humans, you are missing bones behind your eyes!" then he isn't. Simple. We have conflicting examples, some from writes aware of human anatomy, some who aren't. Your stance is that we should discard the majority examples, ones actually writen by knowledgeable people where Wolverine is unable to be shoot in the brain for the minority. How that sounds reasonable to you, I'll never understand. I at least can rationalize your examples, there are instances where Wolverine has been koed by getting shot even on the side of the skull, so it is feasible that those shots connected with his eye socked and briefly knocked him out (that is still PIS as it falls well outside the parameters of the speed Wolverine's healing factor normally operates) How do you account for my examples that contradict your asinine theory? You don't. You ignore them. If he some times has the bone then he always has the bone, and everything else is a mistake.

I'm sorry you couldn't come up with a valid reason for Midnighter not to get effortlessly owned by Wolverine, and you had to sink to this. Sad.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
PIS. Even if there weren't more examples to support my opinion - which there is - it would still be PIS. We've seen the bones, and we've seen examples where he is unable to be shoot through the eye, so until it is said in print somewhere "Wolverine unlike regular humans, you are missing bones behind your eyes!" then he isn't. Simple. We have conflicting examples, some from writes aware of human anatomy, some who aren't. Your stance is that we should discard the majority examples, ones actually writen by knowledgeable people where Wolverine is unable to be shoot in the brain for the minority. How that sounds reasonable to you, I'll never understand. I at least can rationalize your examples, there are instances where Wolverine has been koed by getting shot even on the side of the skull, so it is feasible that those shots connected with his eye socked and briefly knocked him out (that is still PIS as it falls well outside the parameters of the speed Wolverine's healing factor normally operates) How do you account for my examples that contradict your asinine theory? You don't. You ignore them. If he some times has the bone then he always has the bone, and everything else is a mistake.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm sorry you couldn't come up with a valid reason for Midnighter not to get effortlessly owned by Wolverine, and you had to sink to this. Sad.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Keep throwing yourself onto the sword. You're only beating yourself up at this point. Nobody is going to argue that Magneto can't control the iron in people's blood because real life blood isn't magnetic. It happens on-panel. A lot. End of story. Stop pretending like Wolverine is a special case. He's not. He's a fictional comic book character. Deal with how the fictional comic books present him. If you can't, then wallow in your own denial, don't expect the rest of us to take it seriously. Acting like it's sad to continue posting clear on-panel evidence to prove an obvious comic book fact? Your false bravado is entirely hollow. And it doesn't do anything to recharacterize this entire discussion as anything but one-sided. Weaksauce. Phucking weaksauce.

No one would argue that because Magneto's power is over electromagnetism, not just ferrous metals... do you want me to find a Magneto bio for you, so you can learn about the character?

Wolverine has been potentially shot in brain through the eye socket twice. He has been shot in the eye socket without getting shot in the brain far more often. Simple. What we have conflicting evidence, and plain fact of the mater is that I have more to sort my case, then you do. End of story. It's not some great mystery, its an open and shut case. You just think it is reasonable to completely disregard all this and pretend that, in spite of the fact everything you have posted has been contradict many times, that your belief still holds water... but it doesn't. We've seen Wolverine bones. We've seen him being unable to be shot in the brain through the eye. We should we disregard all that in favour of a few isolated examples that contract Wolverines continuity? Why? So you can formulate a shake argument where his opposition has a sliver of a chance at winning? Please.

^ Stop lying to yourself. Don't even try to lie to me. The times Magneto controls the blood is always accompanied by him controlling the iron. The iron isn't anymore magnetic than anything else. It's just another pervasive example of comic writers not knowing biology. You can b1tch about it all you want. But it's all you're doing.

Pretending like you've "established Wolverine's continuity" is laughable. You've compiled circumstantial garbage in the face of overwhleming clear evidence. Trying to paint my position as being shaky is pathetic. Watching you post about his brain healing feats in his respect thread but never mentioning, much less accepting, how he got brain damage in the first place is comedy gold.

But the bottom-line is this: The fact that you cannot get over this is sad. It's weak. It's actually phucking brutal. It is just brutal reading your flimsy excuses and bald-faced denials. I'd tell you to go kill yourself, but I'm concerned you actually might kill yourself.

Get over it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Stop lying to yourself. Don't even try to lie to me. The times Magneto controls the blood is always accompanied by him controlling the iron. The iron isn't anymore magnetic than anything else. It's just another pervasive example of comic writers not knowing biology. You can b1tch about it all you want. But it's all you're doing.

Pretending like you've "established Wolverine's continuity" is laughable. You've compiled circumstantial garbage in the face of overwhleming clear evidence. Trying to paint my position as being shaky is pathetic.

The fact that you cannot get over this is sad. It's weak. It's actually phucking brutal. It is just brutal reading your flimsy excuses and bald-faced denials. I'd tell you to go kill yourself, but I'm concerned you actually might kill yourself.

Get over it.

But you are trying to assert that Magneto's ability to control the iron in the blood should be impossible because it is non ferrous, but the fact is Magento's has domain over far more then just magnetic materials. I'm not a biologist, I have an understanding over muscle and bone anatomy because I'm an artist, but my understanding is that it isn't that the iron in the blood is "non magnetic" it's just that it is so small / limited that it doesn't create a strong enough magnetic force... which shouldn't be a problem for Magneto in the first place.

Anyway even will all that being said your example is - once again - faulty, because there are no examples of Magneto trying and falling to control the iron in the blood (there is an example of the effect not working because the character was completely invulnerable to the effects though). What you fail to understand or acknowledge is that there is conflicting evidence here, and you are on the side supporting the clear minority. Here is a valid comparison: You are saying "Superman can't push the moon! ZOMG he struggled to lift the Daily Planet globe statue once! It happened, deal with it!" You cite blatant PIS, and ignore all reason.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
But you are trying to assert that Magneto's ability to control the iron in the blood should be impossible because it is non ferrous, but the fact is Magento's has domain over far more then just magnetic materials. I'm not a biologist, I have an understanding over muscle and bone anatomy because I'm an artist, but my understanding is that it isn't that the iron in the blood is "non magnetic" it's just that it is so small / limited that it doesn't create a strong enough magnetic force... which shouldn't be a problem for Magneto in the first place.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Anyway even will all that being said your example is - once again - faulty, because there are no examples of Magneto trying and falling to control the iron in the blood (there is an example of the effect not working because the character was completely invulnerable to the effects though). What you fail to understand or acknowledge is that there is conflicting evidence here, and you are on the side supporting the clear minority. Here is a valid comparison: You are saying "Superman can't push the moon! ZOMG he struggled to lift the Daily Planet globe statue once! It happened, deal with it!" You cite blatant PIS, and ignore all reason.

In comic books, skulls contain orifices wide enough to permit clear paths to the brain. That's how it works in comics. Biologically correct? No. Comic book fact? Definitely. How do we know this? Wealth of uncontradicted, clear, non-circumstantial on-panel evidence.

It is phucking brutal to watch you plead otherwise. The debate was a farce this entire time. I now understand it could happen a dozen more times and you still won't accept it. But your non-sensical recalcitrance doesn't suffice as an argument. And I don't need your admission. It's worthless. As worthless as all your arguments to the contrary have been.