@zopzop
We just have differing opinions on these characters; I honestly believe that Thanos simply surviving Post Retcon Beyonders initial attack was a far better feat than withstanding repeated attacks from Odin and DP Tyrant...
Of course, despite all the inconsistencies and outright PIS showings in comics, I believe that CCU's/Cube Beings are atleast 2 Tiers beyond Skyfather as well...
I know you like to reference that Thor Annual that has Thor talking about the power levels, and it would have been cool if Marvel had adhered to that tiering, but it has been shown to be wrong again, and again, and again...
At the end of the day, it actually makes Thor seem like he doesnt know what he is talking about because of its high error rate...
Because of that high error rate, I'd take our tierings (Street Level, Meta, Herald, Trans, Skyfather, Elder God, Cube Being, Abstract, God Tier, TOAA) over Thors any day...
I don't understand how the Maker fits into this entire discussion. The Maker was left out by the threadstarter.
Ever since Beyonder was retconned into an incomplete Cube being in issues of Fantastic Four where (when separated from the Maker persona) he was still powerful enough to wreck multiple dimensions as collateral damage when fighting Molecule Man, two new retcons have thrown the incomplete Cube being retcon into doubt: (i) the Illuminati story that stated the Beyonder was a mutant Inhuman, and (ii) the Spider-Man and the Secret Wars story that had Spider-Man reconfigure the entire 616 universe with Beyonder's powers.
While a Pre Retcon Beyonder was owning the Multiverse in Secret Wars II, a newly Post Retcon Beyonder has always swatted away a normal Galactus like a fly and still wrecked a well-fed Galactus-empowered Doom and, moreover, was supreme in the universe.
This is a stomp. DP Tyrant has no chance here.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@zopzopWe just have differing opinions on these characters; I honestly believe that Thanos simply surviving Post Retcon Beyonders initial attack was a far better feat than withstanding repeated attacks from Odin and DP Tyrant...
Of course, despite all the inconsistencies and outright PIS showings in comics, I believe that CCU's/Cube Beings are atleast 2 Tiers beyond Skyfather as well...
I know you like to reference that Thor Annual that has Thor talking about the power levels, and it would have been cool if Marvel had adhered to that tiering, but it has been shown to be wrong again, and again, and again...
At the end of the day, it actually makes Thor seem like he doesnt know what he is talking about because of its high error rate...
Because of that high error rate, I'd take our tierings (Street Level, Meta, Herald, Trans, Skyfather, Elder God, Cube Being, Abstract, God Tier, TOAA) over Thors any day...
You want to use that blast that the Maker unleashed on Thanos to make her seem more powerful than Tyrant?
Want to compare that to Thanos' fight vs Tyrant? All because of one blast? Why didn't she blast him like that again? Maybe she tired herself out, because he went on to own the sh|t out of her. Deflecting her blasts, shielding against her blasts, blasting her to her knees. Even Skeet got in a hit and survived the Maker's counter attack.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ever since Beyonder was retconned into an incomplete Cube being in issues of Fantastic Four where (when separated from the Maker persona) he was still powerful enough to wreck multiple dimensions as collateral damage when fighting Molecule Man
You realize that this "feat" has been done so many times it's a meaningless gauge of power?
See Mephisto/Galactus. Mephisto/Satannish Round 1 and Round 2. Arioch/Strange vs Gorath. Amnesiac Odin vs Seth.
Then you have the Aaron vs Uatu fight that took place on every plane of reality simultaneously.
For comparisons sake, the IG affair never cause that kind of collateral damage or operated on that scale. Neither did Thanos with the HotU.
^ You realize that it only becomes meaningless in your eyes when the subject character hasn't performed a similar feat? Absence of collateral damage is never an indication of power, however, the presence of collateral damage is.
DP Tyrant isn't doing sh1t to someone who swatted away Galactus like a fly and curbstomped a well-fed Galactus-empowered being. And those are the least of Post Retcon Beyonder's feats.
DP Tyrant gets curbstomped.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You realize that it only becomes meaningless in your eyes when the subject character hasn't performed a similar feat? Absence of collateral damage is never an indication of power, however, the presence of collateral damage is.DP Tyrant isn't doing sh1t to someone who swatted away Galactus like a fly and curbstomped a well-fed Galactus-empowered being. And those are the least of Post Retcon Beyonder's feats.
DP Tyrant gets curbstomped.
And yet when it came to FIGHTS. He lost vs MM. The same MM that lost to Klaw, Aaron, and Sentry. You can't even bring up the fact that he was jobbing because, those were the ONLY four fights he had post rez. So he lost to a guy that lost 75% of his fights. Nice.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ And when it came to fights, Beyonder treated normal Galactus and a well-fed Galactus-empowered Doom like nuisances.DP Tyrant would be less than a nuisance.
You want to pit DP Tyrant against a jobber Molecule Man, be my guest. That has no relevance here with Beyonder.
Except Post Retcon Beyonder LOST to "Jobber" MM. He LOST to a guy that LOST to Klaw, Aaron the Rogue Watcher, and Sentry (and Sentry wound up killing him!).
And did you fall asleep because Tyrant owned a wed fed and prepped Galactus too and was about to kill him till Morg showed up with the UN.
Is that all you got?
And don't fall back on that "universe shacking/dimensions crumbling" crap. Because Odin/Seth, Galactus/Mephisto, Arioch-Strange/Gorath, Mephisto/Satannish (TWICE!) did it, yet the ENTIRE cosmic hierarchy couldn't do that vs Thanos with the IG. Even Thanos with the HotU vs all 616 didn't do it.
Originally posted by zopzopLike I said, I don't care what jobber Molecule Man does. He's fluctuated up and down.
Except Post Retcon Beyonder LOST to "Jobber" MM. He LOST to a guy that LOST to Klaw, Aaron the Rogue Watcher, and Sentry (and Sentry wound up killing him!).And did you fall asleep because Tyrant owned a wed fed and prepped Galactus too and was about to kill him till Morg showed up with the UN.
Is that all you got?
And don't fall back on that "universe shacking/dimensions crumbling" crap. Because Odin/Seth, Galactus/Mephisto, Arioch-Strange/Gorath, Mephisto/Satannish (TWICE!) did it, yet the ENTIRE cosmic hierarchy couldn't do that vs Thanos with the IG. Even Thanos with the HotU vs all 616 didn't do it.
Did you fall asleep when Galactus beat down a FP Tyrant the first time they clashed in the distant past? DP Tyrant using his bio-energy absorption powers isn't going to mean jack against Beyonder. Beyonder straight up overpowered both normal and well-fed Galactus' power twice over like he was a fly without plot device garbage being involved.
Sorry DP Tyrant has not wrecked dimensions as a side-effect of his battles. Sorry DP Tyrant never warped the 616 universe. Sorry DP Tyrant never straight up overpowered Galactus and had to use Galactus' own power/tech to combat him. You can continue crying more about it.
DP Tyrant is a sh1t-stain compared to Post Retcon Beyonder.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Like I said, I don't care what jobber Molecule Man does. He's fluctuated up and down.Did you fall asleep when Galactus beat down a FP Tyrant the first time they clashed in the distant past? DP Tyrant using his bio-energy absorption powers isn't going to mean jack against Beyonder. Who straight up overpowered both normal and well-fed Galactus' power twice over like he was a fly without plot device grabage being involved.
Sorry DP Tyrant has not wrecked dimensions as a side-effect of his battles. Sorry DP Tyrant never warped the 616 universe. Sorry DP Tyrant never straight up overpowered Galactus and had to use his own power against Galactus. You can continue crying more about it.
DP Tyrant is a sh1t-stain compared to Post Retcon Beyonder.
Sorry DP Tyrant NEVER lost to a guy that LOST to trans tiers, high heralds, and mid meta characters.
And why do you keep referencing the Spiderman and the Secret Wars garbage? That was flashing back to an event that was RETCONNED. Unless you believe that Beyonder assaulted the Celestial "homeworld" and duked it out hand to hand with a few of them 😆
^ Molecule Man got punched out by Cap once. A fluctuating Molecule Man has nothing to do with this.
Don't be a fool. Parts of Secret Wars II was all that what was retconned by Fantastic Four. If Spider-Man and the Secret Wars reportrayed what happened in Secret Wars II, it would have re-retconned that (like Illuminati did). But it didn't. It just added to Secret Wars which was never touched by any retcon. Educate yourself before spouting off more idiotic nonsense.
Cry more about Post Retcon Beyonder >>>>>>>>>>> Galactus >>> FP Tyrant (w/o plot device gimmicks) >>> DP Tyrant (who can use plot device gimmicks to turn Galactus' own power against him). Doom has used plot device gimmicks to turn Galactus' own power against him. Not impressed.
