Captain America vs. Iron Fist

Originally posted by Daredevil1
A statement saying the chi of sho-lao aids his endurance is better then feats of long fights since many characters who are not enhanced have those type of feats and it doesn't mean they have enhanced stamina.

This is the type of proof that I'm asking since Mind Set couldn't prove much but just speculates.

Other wise then every top name like Batman and under the sun has enhanced stamina......LOL. But I don't think that's the case.

But what about the durability and strength of cap, do you need the same thing? statements to prove that he should be hurting all these guys in order to consider it super strength, since many of said characters have statements saying stronger than peak humans can't effect them?

If the feats consistently show that they can do said things it shouldn't take away, especially since that's a big part of the Cap argument.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yes, that does mean their stamina is enhanced...

It doesn't have to be on the level of Cap's.

That's like saying Spiderman doesn't have enhanced/superhuman strength because he isn't as strong as Superman, it's inane.

So I guess Cain Velasquez from the UFC has enhanced stamina since its better then other UFC fighters.

LOL

Saying Danny has impressive stamina is one thing. But claiming its enhanced without real proof because of long winded battles that many tops street characters have done is quite another.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
So I guess Cain Velasquez from the UFC has enhanced stamina since its better then other UFC fighters.

LOL

Saying Danny has impressive stamina is one thing. But claiming its enhanced without real proof because of long winded battles that many tops street characters have done is quite another.

This is silly, semantics discussion about the classification of his stamina aside. I'm sure we can all agree that his stamina is high enough that he'll make it to the end of the fight and not fall out. Correct?

I'm starting to think Danny may be able to heal mid fight.

He healed, according to him, almost unconsciously, and it happened in a few moments. Then there is him meditating while fighting, and another of him healing someone else with his chi in a few seconds.

He can if he's not worried about the fight and stuff. But the way it's portrayed it seems to only heal on it's own when his chi isn't being sued for other stuff. Which is why he was getting hurt in the fights in hell. His chi was focused on fighting back and only healing when he had time.

I don't see Cap stopping like that. So I can't seem healing anything but a minor bruise

Originally posted by jalek moye
He can if he's not worried about the fight and stuff. But the way it's portrayed it seems to only heal on it's own when his chi isn't being sued for other stuff. Which is why he was getting hurt in the fights in hell. His chi was focused on fighting back and only healing when he had time.

I don't see Cap stopping like that. So I can't seem healing anything but a minor bruise

Originally posted by jalek moye
But what about the durability and strength of cap, do you need the same thing? statements to prove that he should be hurting all these guys in order to consider it super strength, since many of said characters have statements saying stronger than peak humans can't effect them?

If the feats consistently show that they can do said things it shouldn't take away, especially since that's a big part of the Cap argument.

I'm not taking away anything from danny. He has impressive stamina showings as you have mentioned but just like many others like Batman, Daredevil, Elektra the top names etc etc etc.

But to call it enhanced doesn't make it so. Good stamina....fine. Cap gets the nod on that and as the fight progresses it will go more in his favor.

Originally posted by Mindset
Idk, he said he healed unconsciously and that he didn't feel drained at all. If he can get some distance between himself and Cap I think he can heal, not completely, but some wounds pretty fast-more than just bruises.

Not saying he was drained, I'm saying that the fights he's been in around that issue and since seem to show it doesn't happen like that when he's doing other stuff with his chi. I guess if he was far enough away that nothing was happening he could but it's not something I healing anything significantly.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Read more comics, FFS. I'm not going to waste my time trying to prove how prevalent "rolling with the blow" is if you've already made up your mind. So you're the only one who's allowed to provide a perfectly plausible explanation to preserve a scene as it's depicted and avoid banishing a showing as PIS? Good to know.

one would have to whip his/her neck at an incredible speed to roll with a jab fired by someone like the hulk and even then, if it didn't mess up his/her face, it'd be a miracle.

Originally posted by Deadline
Hell you might as well classify atheletes as enhanced with that def.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I'm not taking away anything from danny. He has impressive stamina showings as you have mentioned but just like many others like Batman, Daredevil, Elektra the top names etc etc etc.

But to call it enhanced doesn't make it so. Good stamina....fine. Cap gets the nod on that and as the fight progresses it will go more in his favor.

Only if it goes for hours. I don't see it taking that long someone will get koed before than. My argument is his stamina is enough to not fall out in the fight or really be winded unless its from wounds. By just fighting he'll be fine unless the fight goes for hours.

Any problem with that measurement?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I'm not taking away anything from danny. He has impressive stamina showings as you have mentioned but just like many others like Batman, Daredevil, Elektra the top names etc etc etc.

But to call it enhanced doesn't make it so. Good stamina....fine. Cap gets the nod on that and as the fight progresses it will go more in his favor.

Cap supporters went from 'Cap will block ever hit with his shield' to 'Cap can outlast him'

Originally posted by jalek moye
Not saying he was drained, I'm saying that the fights he's been in around that issue and since seem to show it doesn't happen like that when he's doing other stuff with his chi. I guess if he was far enough away that nothing was happening he could but it's not something I healing anything significantly.

But it may be CIS on his part to not do it.

I'm talking about it healing on it's own basically which is what I thought you meant like what happened when he was sitting there. Those are the ones that its shown that only really heal themselves when hes not using chi for other stuff. Yeah he could tell himself to heal mid fight he doesn't normally think like that though.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't see Cap lasting long enough against Danny for it to become a factor.

Cap supporters went from 'Cap will block ever hit with his shield' to 'Cap can outlast him'

Steve can out last him. Every hit, block and counter will be taxing. Steve can block a lot of attacks and once he gets hit. Steve'd change up his tactics accordantly. Steve IS more tactically sound, way more so than Danny on and off the battlefield.

Also IF isn't going to risk using his most powerful attacks while on the helicarrier. Everyone or most haven't even considered where the fight is taking place.. There are buildings and people on the streets below. Danny isn't gonna risk their lives nor will Cap allow him.

Originally posted by Mindset
Is his stamina significantly better than every other human on earth, no? OK then. Don't be stupid.

Is his stamina better then every other human like Daredevil, Batman, Cass, Elektra, Shiva? No. Ok then.

Not my fault you couldn't prove its enhanced stamina. Not my fault you can't back up what you claim.

Originally posted by Mindset
almost unconsciously

Almost unconsciously. Even in the feat you cite he was sitting down to do it.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Is his stamina better then every other human like Daredevil, Batman, Cass, Elektra, Shiva? No. Ok then.

Not my fault you couldn't prove its enhanced stamina. Not my fault you can't back up what you claim.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Almost unconsciously. Even in the feat you cite he was sitting down to do it.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Steve can out last him. Every hit, block and counter will be taxing. Steve can block a lot of attacks and once he gets hit. Steve'd change up his tactics accordantly. Steve IS more tactically sound, way more so than Danny on and off the battlefield.

Also IF isn't going to risk using his most powerful attacks while on the helicarrier. Everyone or most haven't even considered where the fight is taking place.. There are buildings and people on the streets below. Danny isn't gonna risk their lives nor will Cap allow him.

Every Ironfist has the potential to send Steve flying if he blocks it or not. Ironfist is a powerhouse in this fight and Cap's shield isn't enough to get him the win.