Captain America vs. Iron Fist

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Right. Only Danny feats count and Cap's don't. Cap been hurting bricks with his shield is the norm. Guy has done it even without the shield.

Luke Cage bah color me unimpressed.

You're underrating Luke Cage. He might not be as strong as a Class 100+ but he's probably one of the most durable metas.

Lemme ask you something, do you see Deathstroke hurting Wonder Woman with a punch as legit?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Difference is that Danny's powers are actually made for that sort of thing whereas with Cap all you have is some vague 'enhanced' bullshit.

You're underrating Luke Cage. He might not be as strong as a Class 100+ but he's probably one of the most durable metas.

Lemme ask you something, do you see Deathstroke hurting Wonder Woman with a punch as legit?

Enhanced and Steve has stated as well he can hurt them because he knows were to strike pressure points. You need to talk to the Slade fans by since your one of them. Look below.

Underrating Luke Cage nah. The guy that got pressure pointed by Black Panther. Not underrating him me thinks your just overrating it, if you think is superior to Cap's hurting brick feats. Durable metas I doubt he's more durable then other top bricks. Besides I wouldn't be surprised if Danny was channeling the IF energy in his kick to hurt Luke.

Cap has spoken knowledge on chi as well(only his chi is dragon boosted), when teaching Spiderman.

Originally posted by Trackz
Cap is no genius at all,

Yeah its not like he isn't considered a military genius. That would be crazy.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

Lemme ask you something, do you see Deathstroke hurting Wonder Woman with a punch as legit?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yeah, grappling with Luthor's powersuit is a damned good feat of strength. Does anyone know the exact strength of the suit? I've always thought low level Class 100+ but I don't know for certain.

Hopefully now we can dispense with the bullshit about Captain America having equal/superior strength to Slade.

Apparently if I go by your logic and Cap hurting them constantly is a outlier.

So by your logic Slade doing that is also a outlier because of his "enhanced" bullshit is not enough since he isn't a dragon boosted like Danny Rand.....shruggs.

But let me guess only Slade and Danny's feats count and you ignore any good Steve feats.

Right. Got it.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Underrating Luke Cage nah. The guy that got pressure pointed by Black Panther.

Almost everyone is vulnerable to pressure points in the MU, dude. And Panther failed to do that to the Skrull who mimicked Cage's powers anyway.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Almost everyone is vulnerable to pressure points in the MU, dude. And Panther failed to do that to the Skrull who mimicked Cage's powers anyway.

Obviously the Skrull Cage was superior to the real Cage durability wise.

Steve is a tactical genius both on n off battle field n in h2h fighting. Cap has the strength to hurt Danny with the shield n tactical enough not to let IF land many blows.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Obviously the Skrull Cage was superior to the real Cage durability wise.

Not really. That writer was just using real life logic. Panther shouldn't be able to affect Luke with nerve strikes, he's not strong enough. Same with Cap and Prof Hulk or Namor. Or DD and Hyde. Wolverine and Rogue.

Nerve jab is like a superpower in comics, it works on most guys regardless of their degree of durability.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not really. That writer was just using real life logic. Panther shouldn't be able to affect Luke with nerve strikes, he's not strong enough. Same with Cap and Prof Hulk or Namor. Or DD and Hyde. Wolverine and Rogue.

Nerve jab is like a superpower in comics, it works on most guys regardless of their degree of durability.

Shouldn't. Like Danny shouldn't be able to hurt Luke with just a amp kick as well. And yet he did I accept it without complaints.

BP can and has done so, despite your logic of shouldn't is irrelevant. Pressure points are a skill. This isn't something magical or mystical in nature. And in comics skill can go just as far as power.

So good luck trying to put real life logic on that.

Originally posted by Trackz
Cap is no genius at all, he doesn't even rank among marvel's smartest, he's just an extremely proficient fighter and leader.

He's a ganuis at h2h. Obvoulsy mastering an alien martial art in one day is something anybody could do.

Originally posted by Trackz
Once again, one has no bearing on the other.

Yeah you're right high h2h tactics don't involve intelligence.

Originally posted by Trackz
Iron Fist is just as smart a fighter as he is.

No he isn't.

Originally posted by Trackz

Steve has destroyed a hellicarrier with his shield?

No but he's cut the Hulk. Hulk >>>> Helicarrier

Originally posted by Trackz

The scans have been posted already and feats have been cited.

*sigh* blocking maching gunfire doesn't prove anything.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Shouldn't. Like Danny shouldn't be able to hurt Luke with just a amp kick as well. And yet he did I accept it without complaints.

BP can and has done so, despite your logic of shouldn't is irrelevant. Pressure points are a skill. This isn't something magical or mystical in nature. And in comics skill can go just as far as power.

So good luck trying to put real life logic on that.

I'm not complaining about characters being able to do that shit. Simply tried to explain to you why Luke's lack of immunity to nerve strikes is nothing to be ashamed of. You brought that up 'cause you thought it was an embarassing showing discrediting somehow Danny's ability to draw blood with his strikes. Well, it wasn't.

^ dunno man was that Luke before his upgrade? Luke really ain't shit compared to the people that Cap has affected.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'm not complaining about characters being able to do that shit. Simply tried to explain to you why Luke's lack of immunity to nerve strikes is nothing to be ashamed of. You brought that up 'cause you thought it was an embarassing showing discrediting somehow Danny's ability to draw blood with his strikes. Well, it wasn't.

Actually it isn't a discredit. Ironfist making Luke Bleed impressive.

BP pressure point affecting him impressive. So IF doing it doesn't make him special, if that's your case.

Its just a common denominator. Yes Danny doing it impressive but not abnormal. Also FYI Cap has made Thunder Ball bleed.

😮‍💨 respect that.

Originally posted by Deadline
^ dunno man was that Luke before his upgrade? Luke really ain't shit compared to the people that Cap has affected.

Exactly there clinging to that Luke showing like a poor man clings to his help feed me sign.

Please help feed this feat.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Difference is that Danny's powers are actually made for that sort of thing whereas with Cap all you have is some vague 'enhanced' bullshit.

You're underrating Luke Cage. He might not be as strong as a Class 100+ but he's probably one of the most durable metas.

Lemme ask you something, do you see Deathstroke hurting Wonder Woman with a punch as legit?

maybe at specific soft spots.

but then again we're talking about Luke Cage (Meta) and Wonder Woman (herald). can't really compare those 2.

Cap's KOing of powerful metas still have to be counted cause they are still feats. Metas like Rhino, Pile Driver, an enhanced Kree brick, etc. etc....

Originally posted by Deadline
^ dunno man was that Luke before his upgrade? Luke really ain't shit compared to the people that Cap has affected.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't lowball character's durability just because he/she got pressure point'd. It's a silly thing to do considering that trick does the job most of the time against super-durable folks.

IF vs Cage? Post-upgrade. BP instance? Dunno, tbh 😛

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Actually it isn't a discredit. Ironfist making look Bleed impressive.

BP pressure point affecting him impressive. So IF doing it doesn't make him special if that's your case.

Its just a common denominator. Yes Danny doing it impressive but not abnormal. Also FYI Cap has made Thunder Ball bleed.

😮‍💨 respect that.

Breaking skin =/= striking nerve clusters. The latter doesn't require nearly as much strength. So just because Panther pressure point'd him doesn't mean he'd be able to draw blood with his kicks.

I wouldn't put Thunderball above Cage in the durability category. Not saying that Cap doesn't have comparable/better striking feats, though.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
maybe at specific soft spots.

but then again we're talking about Luke Cage (Meta) and Wonder Woman (herald). can't really compare those 2.

Cap's KOing of powerful metas still have to be counted cause they are still feats. Metas like Rhino, Pile Driver, an enhanced Kree brick, etc. etc....

Originally posted by Marvelknight
exectly... And once IF lands a good hit, Cap will be oittle more defensive and evasive. Counter attacking using everything to his advantage. Not saying it will be easy, but far from impossible.

Once IF lands a good hit, Cap will be busy nursing his broken ribs 😛

And if he blocks the next one with his shield, he'll be sent flying... without the ability to land properly due to his injuries.

Originally posted by Deadline
He's a ganuis at h2h. Obvoulsy mastering an alien martial art in one day is something anybody could do.

Yeah you're right high h2h tactics don't involve intelligence.

No he isn't.

No but he's cut the Hulk. Hulk >>>> Helicarrier

*sigh* blocking maching gunfire doesn't prove anything.

There's still nor proof that his hand-to-hand is any better than ironfists.

I didn't say they didn't involve intelligence, trying to say that since Cap is a great leader or tactician that he is a smarter fighter is just plain false though. Name an opponent Steve has beaten in hand-to-hand that is out of Danny's league due to hie genius. The fact is their fighting skills are just as good as the other, Danny just has the ability to amp himself to superior levels.

Not sure how the feats are anything alike...Wolverine has cut the hulk with his claws, that feat is in no way comparable to downing a hellicarrier.

Catching a bullet doesn't mean anything either?

Originally posted by Trackz
There's still nor proof that his hand-to-hand is any better than ironfists.

If you say so.

Originally posted by Trackz

I didn't say they didn't involve intelligence, trying to say that since Cap is a great leader or tactician that he is a smarter fighter is just plain false though.

Didn't say that. What I said was his tactical ability applies to his h2h as well.

Originally posted by Trackz

Name an opponent Steve has beaten in hand-to-hand that is out of Danny's league due to hie genius. The fact is their fighting skills are just as good as the other, Danny just has the ability to amp himself to superior levels.

He doesn't have to be out his league he just has to do better. Actually I think I can Iron Spiderman ie upgraded Spiderman with a suit that Tony Stark designed. Iron Fist has a bad record against normal Spiderman, but an upgraded Spiderman was getting his arse handed to him because Cap was too good.

Oh and Paladin held his own against IF while trying to communicate with Misty Knight. Cap has held his own against Paladin while holding his breath.

Originally posted by Trackz

Not sure how the feats are anything alike...Wolverine has cut the hulk with his claws, that feat is in no way comparable to downing a hellicarrier.

Uhhhh Hulk is more durable than a Hellicarrier? Wolverine has super sharp claws? Its back to the 'its not exactly the same thing tactic'.

Originally posted by Trackz

Catching a bullet doesn't mean anything either?

No it doesn't. IF was only able to catch it because he made his hand super hard. Taskmaster has been able to do that without hardening his hand. Is Taskmaster faster than Cap, nope. According to your logic Taskmaster is faster than Iron Fist, Taskmaster isn't faster than IF let alone Cap. One of their most recent fights Taskmaster fought an unarmed Cap with explosive arrows and a sword and a shield, Cap still held his own. If Cap could harden his hand he could probably do it as well, especially considering we have seen him blocking beams with one hand.