Originally posted by Trackz
...Ironman was easily breaking Cap's bones, Cap was out of combat for days (weeks?) after that fight, but you honestly don't think Ironman would've bee able to kill him?
Never said he could not kill him. Just Cap's damage soak/durability is up there. And he has taken hits from even a blood lusted Ironman in a annual.
Originally posted by Daredevil1I believe that he has pretty high damage soak...but him surviving strikes by ironman is more evidence of ironman's mercy than steve's durability, there's no reason Ironman shouldn't be able to tear his head off with a punch.
Never said he could not kill him. Just Cap's damage soak/durability is up there. And he has taken hits from even a blood lusted Ironman in a annual.
Originally posted by Trackz
I believe that he has pretty high damage soak...but him surviving strikes by ironman is more evidence of ironman's mercy than steve's durability, there's no reason Ironman shouldn't be able to tear his head off with a punch.
I agree with you IM can take his head off but it would have to be after a thrashing and thus weakening Steve. As it stands he has shown the ability to shrug off some damaging hits.
Take for example Warrior Woman sending him flying miles above the sky from her punch!
Steve in that regard is kind of like DeadPool, Logan or Ulti Cap. As in they have lots of feats of shrugging off force impacts from super strong bricks but when they face skillful fighters at the same time. Like Logan vs Daredevil, or Mr. X or Ulti Cap vs Night Owl, Ult Nuke, or Ult Skull.
Skill full fighters can still very much hurt them with precise attacks, despite lacking the very much strength of strong bricks.
Originally posted by Daredevil1And Danny is a skilled fighter that can hit like a brick.
I agree with you IM can take his head off but it would have to be after a thrashing and thus weakening Steve. As it stands he has shown the ability to shrug off some damaging hits.Take for example Warrior Woman sending him flying miles above the sky from her punch!
Steve in that regard is kind of like DeadPool, Logan or Ulti Cap. As in they have lots of feats of shrugging off force impacts from super strong bricks but when they face skillful fighters at the same time. Like Logan vs Daredevil, or Mr. X or Ulti Cap vs Night Owl, Ult Nuke, or Ult Skull.
Skill full fighters can still very much hurt them with precise attacks, despite lacking the very much strength of strong bricks.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Never said Panther would draw blood but if Danny did it without the IF tech or major energy I could probably see BP do the same.Since both Danny and Panther have affected him. And Cap does have comparable/ or possibly better. Since you believe Luke is >>Thunder in durability making him possibly a class 90 durability brick.
Cap has made Hulk bleed and has downed Namor and Wrecker with his shield strikes.
Yeah, I know he does. Don't forget about him cutting Onslaught and knocking out Savage Hulk with Parker's help. He also had a nice showing against Extremis IM (when Tony was holding back in Avengers/Invaders mini). You mean when he damaged Controller's disc? Wouldn't really count that. He hit Wrecker in the throat, more of a showing of his smarts than actual striking power. Unless you're talking of some other instance, pretty sure I've seen Wrecker taking Cap's shield to his temple.
Anyway, back on topic... I believe IF would take the good majority because while their fighting skills are comparable, same cannot be said about the power levels.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
The Iron Man fight leaves us with one of two conclusions. Either Cap's natural durability is greatly superior to steel (which Iron Man can shred through) or it was PIS and the writer wasn't very good with power levels.If you think it's the former, then you need help.
Seriously.
Iron Man pulled his punches?
Originally posted by Trackz
There's no proof of that seeing as he know's most martial arts and is still always on the same level with marvel's other fighters. No better no worse. T'Challa, Shang-Chi, Deadpool, et al. have all shown the ability to hang with Steve in a fight (and in some cases beat him) so clearly his tactics don't add much to his hand-to-hand game.
Just because you can hang with somebody doesn't even mean you have equal h2h skills. Who beat him? Well I tell you what it's been stated on-panel that Cap is better than Shang Chi, and that was stated by Zaran. Zaran has fought Shang Chi at least several times and has studied Cap as well. Has anybody stated that about Iron Fist?
What about IF's track record against Spiderman has he ever owned Spiderman before? Has he ever used tactical h2h skills to disable Wolverine's claws? Sorry IF tactically isn't on the same level.
Originally posted by Trackz
...Iron Spider was not getting beaten at all, he took away Steve's shield and was about to completely dismantle Steve when he had to retreat.
So your defintion of not getting beaten is getting punched in the face numerous times while not being able to land a punch? Ok got it. He lost his shield because Cap was setting Spiderman up for a nerve strike. Thats not my opinion thats what Spiderman said and Spiderman said he was outclassed. Spiderman has never said that about Iron Fist or anybody else for that matter.
You don't know that he was going to dismantle him and if he was it was only because of his mechanical arms. If you read the fight again its the only thing that gave Spiderman and advantage because Cap hadn't studied Spiderman using them.
Originally posted by Trackz
the feat's aren't comparable, Cap through his shield which is every bit as hard as wolverine's claws at the hulk, how are you going to compare that strength feat to one-shotting a damn hellicarrier. Steve and Danny are not even in the same league in terms of power output.
Uhhhhhh Cap is going to hit IF with it? See where I'm going with this? It's irrelevant if he's not using chi force.
Originally posted by Trackz
Basically if Danny gets in one good hit, the fight is over.
As I already explained CIS is on. IF is not going to use full force. Danny used the IF on Paladin and it didn't do much at all. Hell Paladin was too fast for him and Danny resorted to a ground smash.
Originally posted by Trackz
If they did the same thing how is taskmaster faster according to my logic...and it's a feat that
Because TM caught it between his fingers and his hands weren't super durable. Danny caught it in the palm of his hands.
Originally posted by Trackz
Steve couldn't replicate, Danny had no idea he was being shot at until the bullet came through the window and he caught it. Saying danny only caught that because he amped is a moot point since Danny will be amped in this fight.
Yes he did, he knew they were outside the window and told the guy to get down. Danny has been able to hear people sweating.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
DD1 said he was bloodlusted. They're not discussing the Civil War fight now.
Then it was PIS.