Captain America vs. Iron Fist

Originally posted by Deadline
If you say so.

Didn't say that. What I said was his tactical ability applies to his h2h as well.

He doesn't have to be out his league he just has to do better. Actually I think I can Iron Spiderman ie upgraded Spiderman with a suit that Tony Stark designed. Iron Fist has a bad record against normal Spiderman, but an upgraded Spiderman was getting his arse handed to him because Cap was too good.

Uhhhh Hulk is more durable than a Hellicarrier? Wolverine has super sharp claws? Its back to the 'its not exactly the same thing tactic'.

No it doesn't. IF was only able to catch it because he made his hand super hard. Taskmaster has been able to do that without hardening his hand. Is Taskmaster faster than Cap, nope. According to your logic Taskmaster is faster than Iron Fist, Taskmaster isn't faster than IF let alone Cap. One of their most recent fights Taskmaster fought an unarmed Cap with explosive arrows and a sword and a shield, Cap still held his own. If Cap could harden his hand he could probably do it as well, especially considering we have seen him blocking beams with one hand.

There's no proof of that seeing as he know's most martial arts and is still always on the same level with marvel's other fighters. No better no worse. T'Challa, Shang-Chi, Deadpool, et al. have all shown the ability to hang with Steve in a fight (and in some cases beat him) so clearly his tactics don't add much to his hand-to-hand game.

...Iron Spider was not getting beaten at all, he took away Steve's shield and was about to completely dismantle Steve when he had to retreat.

the feat's aren't comparable, Cap through his shield which is every bit as hard as wolverine's claws at the hulk, how are you going to compare that strength feat to one-shotting a damn hellicarrier. Steve and Danny are not even in the same league in terms of power output. Basically if Danny gets in one good hit, the fight is over.

If they did the same thing how is taskmaster faster according to my logic...and it's a feat that Steve couldn't replicate, Danny had no idea he was being shot at until the bullet came through the window and he caught it. Saying danny only caught that because he amped is a moot point since Danny will be amped in this fight.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Apparently if I go by your logic and Cap hurting them constantly is a outlier.

So by your logic Slade doing that is also a outlier because of his "enhanced" bullshit is not enough since he isn't a dragon boosted like Danny Rand.....shruggs.

But let me guess only Slade and Danny's feats count and you ignore any good Steve feats.

Right. Got it.

I've since recanted that stance. I was much more fervent about Slade than I am now.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Once IF lands a good hit, Cap will be busy nursing his broken ribs 😛

And if he blocks the next one with his shield, he'll be sent flying... without the ability to land properly due to his injuries.

Lol.. you know it won't be that easy. Namor would've finished Cap with that uppercu in "Namor the first mutant annual #1. Iron Man gave Cap several good hits bringing him only to his knees with a broken jaw. Cap clearly wasn't ready to go down from that. And he has taken far worse beatings.

Danny iron fists Cap's pressure points.

Tell that to all the bricks Cap put down.....

That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said...lol.

Yeah it does. I simply said they both do the job against bricks. And they both can put down each other. But Cap has better defense with better counter offense.

Your post doesn't make any sense as a reply to mine.

Accept it.

Originally posted by Mindset
Your post doesn't make any sense as a reply to mine.

Accept it.

Keep telling yourself that.. But back on topic..

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Lol.. you know it won't be that easy. Namor would've finished Cap with that uppercu in "Namor the first mutant annual #1. Iron Man gave Cap several good hits bringing him only to his knees with a broken jaw. Cap clearly wasn't ready to go down from that. And he has taken far worse beatings.

i'll still take cap. his defense (shield) is perfectly suited to IF's offense AND his defense (shield) can be TURNED into a pretty deadly offense.

offense+defense vs danny's offense. close fight, but like i said, i'll take cap.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'll still take cap. his defense (shield) is perfectly suited to IF's offense AND his defense (shield) can be TURNED into a pretty deadly offense.

offense+defense vs danny's offense. close fight, but like i said, i'll take cap.

you mean his CHI? i've seen him fire blasts, but can he make shields?

No, but if you can shoot blasts of chi that that can block/repel attacks, then I don't see why he needs one.

He can also block attacks with his IF.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, but if you can shoot blasts of chi that that can block/repel attacks, then I don't see why he needs one.

He can also block attacks with his IF.

the blasts wouldn't be anymore effective than the punches though against the shield. i like cap's odds of getting around danny's fist a lot better than i like danny's odds of getting around the shield.

ergo, i am right and thou art wrong.

Originally posted by leonidas
the blasts wouldn't be anymore effective than the punches though against the shield. i like cap's odds of getting around danny's fist a lot better than i like danny's odds of getting around the shield.

ergo, i am right and thou art wrong.

His fist moves faster than Cap can move his shield, his IF is bigger than an actual fist.

I am always right.

pfft.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Breaking skin =/= striking nerve clusters. The latter doesn't require nearly as much strength. So just because Panther pressure point'd him doesn't mean he'd be able to draw blood with his kicks.

I wouldn't put Thunderball above Cage in the durability category. Not saying that Cap doesn't have comparable/better striking feats, though.

Never said Panther would draw blood but if Danny did it without the IF tech or major energy I could probably see BP do the same.

Since both Danny and Panther have affected him. And Cap does have comparable/ or possibly better. Since you believe Luke is >>Thunder in durability making him possibly a class 90 durability brick.

Cap has made Hulk bleed and has downed Namor and Wrecker with his shield strikes.

Originally posted by Trackz
Ironman was trying to get Steve to yield, he obviously could've killed Steve at any point during that fight.

Tell that to Ironman when he was blood lusted in a annual.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Tell that to Ironman when he was blood lusted in a annual.