Hulk 634 Vs Surfer & Beta Ray Bill

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Yes on his way through the portal but he would have still been offered some degree of protection as opposed to Surfer.

I believe he had torn a giant hole in the ship and was climbing out of it when he went through the portal. I doubt shielding his lower torso is the reason for the large difference in performance. I'm also skeptical that the ship would offer any more protection than Surfer's cosmic shell. Its more likely that Hulk took it better because he's the Hulk imho but whatever.

Yea....I'm going to go ahead and contribute it to the portal like he did originally unless you have something more concrete. If for no other reason than the second time he traveled to that planet -the Surfer didn't travel through that portal IIRC- he was fine.

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, he got koed by a weakened Hulk who also got weakened by the Worm Hole and the disk and also have been fighting continuously relying on his weakened healing factor to aid him before facing Surfer.

Yeah, that Hulk koed him. Let's not forget that Hulk was trying to reason with Surfer in the beginning as well and Surfer hit him with his weapon AND his board.

Let's not forget Surfer was on his knees thanking Hulk, when Hulk KO'ed him

/end

Originally posted by dmills
K? So they were both weakened. Surfer was gimped without full access to his pc, and fighting the Hulk in conditions that should've been favorable for Banner. Yet Norrin was still giving Hulk and his team the bizness'.

Originally posted by Mindset
SS styled on Hulk and Carver is too hurt to admit it to himself.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
That's how Marvel works. There cannot be two versions of the same character existing in Marvel at once. They have to be from seperate timelines if this happens. Which means there would have been two 616 universes if what Carver is saying is true.

An example is, Young Namor brought to the universe when he bloodied up Sentry, and fought 616 Namor was not 616 Namor no matter how similar they were. I'm not making things up, it's pretty much a solid Marvel law

I'm just saying it wasn't 616 Surfer, and even if it was, it was Surfer right off of being heralded... I mean come on

Since when was this the official rule? Unless a major change was made in a specific point in time such as the Reigning, a character can be time displaced and return to the same time line. Characters have been plucked from the past and returned plenty of times in comics.

I could be wrong but I believe the Elders also revived all the participants and transported them back to their respective times.

Besides, Carver's point was that Rulk easily drained Surfer dry and as such, this distinction is pointless. That Surfer was every bit as powerful as the classic Silver Surfer.

I'm sorry, but this just seems pointless.

Originally posted by -Pr-
f*ck cbr.

Well, I do that a lot, tbh... cry

You back your character and you downplay others more than most, which makes you worse than the guy who puts his fingers in his ears and goes "my character's better than yours la la la"

I haven't done that in a long time.

Originally posted by carver9
I haven't done that in a long time.

Originally posted by carver9
I haven't done that in a long time.

If i hadn't laughed just then, I would have warned you.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't get it. You have Quan backing Thanos and Philo backing Superman...hell, Quan even give Thanos the nod over Galactus but when I back Hulk and Gladiator, its gets the forum riled up. WTF.

Quan isn't really taken seriously when it comes to Thanos. He's line "How does Thanos lose?" is damned near a forum meme now. Philo is a hopeless DC/Supes butt humper, but he has 1000 ways of calling a person an idiot, so a lot of peeps are afraid to go up against him. Say what you will about those two, but you can't say that they don't read the material that they debate about (generally).

I think with you, often times it seems like you're more of a scan reader as opposed to reading the actual comics themselves and your perspective seems to lack context as a result. You also tend to embellish showings and feats 😛

Originally posted by Harbinger

Lol...me being honest...90% of the time, when I am discussing Hulk, people tend to start this with me...hell, I have seen people point me out and let's not even include all the bait threads that are made that gets on my last nerve...Bada has even seen these threads and passed out warnings.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Since when was this the official rule? Unless a major change was made in a specific point in time such as the Reigning, a character can be time displaced and return to the same time line. Characters have been plucked from the past and returned plenty of times in comics.

I could be wrong but I believe the Elders also revived all the participants and transported them back to their respective times.

Besides, Carver's point was that Rulk easily drained Surfer dry and as such, this distinction is pointless. That Surfer was every bit as powerful as the classic Silver Surfer.

I'm sorry, but this just seems pointless.

Not if they're put in the 616 timeline. That means exactly what it sounds like, that there are two 616 timelines. 616 Surfer was taken from his timeline and put into another timeline that happened to be... 616? That makes no sense at all

Don't know, don't care

I realize what Carver's point is. It doesn't apply to current Surfer, and it's debatable that it applies to 616 at all is what I'm saying.

It is. Your Surfer hate overrides your slight Hulk dislike

Originally posted by -Pr-
If i hadn't laughed just then, I would have warned you.

Lol...innocent until proven guilty but don't go looking for anything because if you find something I'm pretty sure I will get a warning with no hesitation.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...me being honest...90% of the time, when I am discussing Hulk, people tend to start this with me...hell, I have seen people point me out and let's not even include all the bait threads that are made that gets on my last nerve...Bada has even seen these threads and passed out warnings.

In your defense, Quan does the same thing with Thanos: embellish his feats (hence the "Thanos stalemated Odin" argument) while downplaying/outright misrepresenting the feats of others. You aren't alone on that one.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...innocent until proven guilty but don't go looking for anything because if you find something I'm pretty sure I will get a warning with no hesitation.

You would have had to have been innocent in the first place.

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Guys, let's get back on topic, please.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...innocent until proven guilty but don't go looking for anything because if you find something I'm pretty sure I will get a warning with no hesitation.

Originally posted by dmills
Quan isn't really taken seriously when it comes to Thanos. He's line "How does Thanos lose?" is damned near a forum meme now. Philo is a hopeless DC/Supes butt humper, but he has 1000 ways of calling a person an idiot, so a lot of peeps are afraid to go up against him. Say what you will about those two, but you can't say that they don't read the material that they debate about (generally).

I think with you, often times it seems like you're more of a scan reader as opposed to reading the actual comics themselves and your perspective seems to lack context as a result. You also tend to embellish showings and feats 😛

Sigh*

I have outright corrected people on numerous of occasions. I don't agree with this post but whatever...this is off topic.

I take Quan serious because he is a decent debator.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Since Marvel existed. If a 616 character travels to the past or to the future, then they're traveling to another universe number. If a character from the past or future travels to 616, then they're traveling from another universe number. Even if they have the same memories, or whatnot (since it wouldn't be with the exact 'same' people).

Not if they're put in the 616 timeline. That means exactly what it sounds like, that there are two 616 timelines. 616 Surfer was taken from his timeline and put into another timeline that happened to be... 616? That makes no sense at all

Don't know, don't care

I realize what Carver's point is. It doesn't apply to current Surfer, and it's debatable that it applies to 616 at all is what I'm saying.

It is. Your Surfer hate overrides your slight Hulk dislike

I never got that notice. This isn't some hard and fast rule, characters can travel up and down their own time stream.

I don't understand why you think there must be a contradiction. The Silver Surfer was plucked from in the past and died. He was then healed and transported back to the moment that he was displaced. To the rest of the Universe, it must have been like it never happened.

There isn't some elaborate tale. What you see is what you get most of the time in such stories. Surfer was displaced and was transported back. I doubt second thought was given to the situation.

The current Surfer is more powerful than the original incarnation, that was never in contention but there's no denying that Rulk drained dry the classic Silver Surfer or a character just as powerful. It's one or the other so in the end this distinction your trying to champion is pointless.

I don't hate the Surfer but I do think he gets a lot of love even when he doesn't deserve it. Unfortunately it's the opposite for the Hulk.

Can't believe this is said...I'm done...I'm gone for a month possibly 2. Hulk is back at mid meta. Holla.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I don't hate the Surfer but I do think he gets a lot of love even when he doesn't deserve it. Unfortunately it's the opposite for the Hulk.

I'd say that's the case with most forum favs. Classic Thor, Surfer etc.

And I agree with your stance on the time displacement issue. One has to wonder what the response would be if Norrin had traveled into the future and drained this incarnation of the Hulk dry. Also I wonder how many of the showings of Insane Genis Vel don't count, yet another forum favorite.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I never got that notice. This isn't some hard and fast rule, characters can travel up and down their own time stream.

I don't understand why you think there must be a contradiction. The Silver Surfer was plucked from in the past and died. He was then healed and transported back to the moment that he was displaced. To the rest of the Universe, it must have been like it never happened.

There isn't some elaborate tale. What you see is what you get most of the time in such stories. Surfer was displaced and was transported back. I doubt second thought was given to the situation.

The current Surfer is more powerful than the original incarnation, that was never in contention but there's no denying that Rulk drained dry the classic Silver Surfer or a character just as powerful. It's one or the other so in the end this distinction your trying to champion is pointless.

I don't hate the Surfer but I do think he gets a lot of love even when he doesn't deserve it. Unfortunately it's the opposite for the Hulk.

Because that would mean that Surfer came from the 616 universe in the first place, went forward however long in Marvel time into the future, and winded up in the same universe... where there would have been another 616 Surfer surfing around pooping in stars. Which would mean there are two 616 universes in Marvel. Two 616 Surfer's at different levels, and different points in time... which is exactly why different universe numbers are there, so you don't get two of the same universes.
It makes no sense. In fact, I can't even properly explain how much sense it doesn't make because I'm dumbfounded that someone actually thinks this can happen. Just to try and give more explanation... the past, the future, and the present are all different universes. No matter what happens.

Loeb wrote it. Of course second thought wasn't given, or even thought in the first place.

Just as powerful as Surfer who just got heralded? So... pointless in this thread either way then (which was my main point... that it was pointless to bring up)
Either way, it's not even the same Surfer, so the assumption that he was just as powerful has more say than assuming he wasn't as powerful? I didn't want to get into the "Exact same power level" so that's why I just said different universe. I mean, almost every other universe alternate has a varried power level but Surfer's stays the same apparently... but that's a tale for another time.

Hate Surfer, slightly dislike Hulk because of Thor. I know Rage.

Originally posted by carver9
Can't believe this is said...I'm done...I'm gone for a month possibly 2. Hulk is back at mid meta. Holla.