Originally posted by Nephthys
The same reason he didn't vaporise Luke with his lightning in RotJ.Shits and giggles.
Baseless assumption.
He wasn't there for kicks and giggles. The novel doesn't even hint he was.
He was there for the kill. He was wielding 2 Sabers, using Force attacks on both of them, and still doesn't take them both out in 2 seconds.
As for Luke it was made clear he specifically wanted him to feel pain "Young fool, only now in the end do you understand.."
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So why didn't he?And why did he feel the need to take out 2 Sabers to fight them both off?
You and S66 are making a completely unfound assumption trying to put Maul and Savage in the same league as Fisto, Tiin and Kolar when that's clearly not the case.
I've actually said that I believe Maul is superior to either Fisto, Tiin, and Kolar. Savage? No. The only thing Savage has on those three is his superior physical strength and power in the force, but neither of those gave him any advantage over Sidious. So yeah, if Sidious can blitz four "celebrated swordsmasters" he can most likely do the same to Savage had he wanted to.
The fact that Sidious gave Maul and Savage time to recover from his TK attack shows that he wanted to humiliate them before killing them. And according to his own words in The Rise of Darth Vader he seems to take pleasure in doing that to his opponents.
lol, you bump this thread to rehash the same defeated argument, and to call me a hypocrite.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I've actually said that I believe Maul is superior to either Fisto, Tiin, and Kolar. Savage? No. The only thing Savage has on those three is his superior physical strength and power in the force, but neither of those gave him any advantage over Sidious. So yeah, if Sidious can blitz four "celebrated swordsmasters" he can most likely do the same to Savage had he wanted to.
No your making up this fallacy that Savage is slow. Or that it's proven he's slower than those "celebrated swordsmen."
Savage has gone toe to toe with Obi-Wan a few times. He was fast enough to out move behind Ventress and hit her in the head mid-saber fight. He was fast and mobile enough to dodge a strike from Obi-Wan coming right to his chest. He was fast enough to take on Obi-Wan and Anakin together.
He's been shown to be moving pretty fast in his fight against Adi-Galia too. And in some of his other fights as well.
I admit Savage alone in a Saber fight would not last long against Sidious's speed. (And I'm glad you've finally opened up your eyes and given Maul a little credit.) But saying Savage get's blitzed in 2 seconds (while fighting alongside Maul) is baseless. We've seen the fight and that didn't happen. It's there in front of your face and yet you still deny it.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
The fact that Sidious gave Maul and Savage time to recover from his TK attack shows that he wanted to humiliate them before killing them. And according to his own words in The Rise of Darth Vader he seems to take pleasure in doing that to his opponents.
That's just your fanboyism talking (again).
Sidious didn't take the opportunity to kill Yoda after he KO'd him with Lightning. So what? That's proof now that Sidious was playing around with Yoda the whole fight?? Stop with baseless assumptions.
Maul's also known to play around with opponents (let's TPM Obi-Wan just hang there while he smiles). Does that mean I can assume he could have killed TPM Obi-Wan or Qui-Gon in 2 seconds?? Of course not!
Like I said STOP... WITH... THE... BASELESS... ASSUMPTIONS.
If anything the "Fact" that Maul started the fight on his knees and wanted to join Sidious again, shows if anyone was holding back it was him.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
lol, you bump this thread to rehash the same defeated argument, and to call me a hypocrite.
First of all I had only just read your response to Nai the other day where you mentioned me.
Second Defeated argument?! PLEEEAAASSEEE S66! You've brought nothing but fanboyism to this argument (which I really should be used to by now).
When a fight has happened and your going to completely change the way that fight plays out in a versus forum, then you better bring some hard core evidence. More than just "I think Sidous can do that."
I said Maul was conflicted and holding back. I actually have evidence of that, from the fight itself, from Dave Filoni's words, from Sam Witwer's words, from all the EU Material e.t.c e.t.c
Whilst your argument is based on fanboyism and nothing else. The fight is there for you to read and there's no evidence anywhere he wanted the Lightsaber fight to last a while.
Third- You were being hypocritical.
But I believe you've changed your stance and your no longer saying that Both Maul & Savage get blitzed in 2 seconds. So I give you credit for changing your view and having a tiny bit of open mindedness there in you somewhere.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So why didn't he?And why did he feel the need to take out 2 Sabers to fight them both off?
You and S66 are making a completely unfound assumption trying to put Maul and Savage in the same league as Fisto, Tiin and Kolar when that's clearly not the case.
You do realize that Sidious in every other incarnation has been shown to be a user of a single bladed style right? If anything him using Jar'Kai shows even more that he was fooling around. As he is likely more skilled in using a single blade.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No your making up this fallacy that Savage is slow. Or that it's proven he's slower than those "celebrated swordsmen."
I never said that Savage was slow. He's pretty fast for a beginner I guess. However, he was still unable to properly block blasters with his saber, so I'm not going to assume that now, within a months time, that he's as fast or as skilled as three celebrated swordsmasters.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Savage has gone toe to toe with Obi-Wan a few times. He was fast enough to out move behind Ventress and hit her in the head mid-saber fight. He was fast and mobile enough to dodge a strike from Obi-Wan coming right to his chest. He was fast enough to take on Obi-Wan and Anakin together.
lol this is beyond rediculous.
Obi Wan and Ventress are not nearly as fast as Sidious, so what's your point? That just because he can block a few strikes from them, he can avoid being blitzed by someone who can blitz three (not four) swordsmasters in seconds? You seem to be forgetting that Ventress was able to land quite a few blows on him while she was unarmed, and with a disadvantage of reach. Had she been strong enough she would have thoroughly kicked Savage's ass.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He's been shown to be moving pretty fast in his fight against Adi-Galia too. And in some of his other fights as well.
And?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I admit Savage alone in a Saber fight would not last long against Sidious's speed.
Nope, Sidious can blitz him if he wanted to.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
(And I'm glad you've finally opened up your eyes and given Maul a little credit.)
Yeah, you seem to want some comfort and assurance that Maul is pretty good. Sorry I can't be there in person to rub your head and tell you everything will be ok.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
But saying Savage get's blitzed in 2 seconds (while fighting alongside Maul) is baseless.
No it's not a baseless assumption! He did it to three jedi masters who were fighting alongside Mace Windu.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
We've seen the fight and that didn't happen. It's there in front of your face and yet you still deny it.
You're an idiot.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Sidious didn't take the opportunity to kill Yoda after he KO'd him with Lightning. So what? That's proof now that Sidious was playing around with Yoda the whole fight??
Yup, and Sidious paid for it too.
Sidious had the chance to kill Yoda. Not because Sidious was superior to Yoda, but because Yoda either underestimated Palpatine's lightning, or because Yoda was just being stupid as hell.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Maul's also known to play around with opponents (let's TPM Obi-Wan just hang there while he smiles). Does that mean I can assume he could have killed TPM Obi-Wan or Qui-Gon in 2 seconds?? Of course not!
So smiling means that Maul was playing around?
Now when you can show me a time when Maul has blitzed three swordsmasters in seconds, then you can assume that. Otherwise, STFU.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
If anything the "Fact" that Maul started the fight on his knees and wanted to join Sidious again, shows if anyone was holding back it was him.
That was before Sidious denied his ass. After that, He's rushing towards Sidious trying to kill him.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
[b]Second Defeated argument?! PLEEEAAASSEEE S66! You've brought nothing but fanboyism to this argument (which I really should be used to by now).[/B]
Yeah, you should be very use to it, but yet you still continue to argue with me?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
When a fight has happened and your going to completely change the way that fight plays out in a versus forum, then you better bring some hard core evidence. More than just "I think Sidous can do that."
I did.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I said Maul was conflicted and holding back. I actually have evidence of that, from the fight itself, from Dave Filoni's words, from Sam Witwer's words, from all the EU Material e.t.c e.t.c
You haven't brought any evidence that Maul was holding back. You're only assuming that just because Maul has an obsession with Sidious and tried so hard to get back in his good graces. Having an obsession with someone who doesn't want you can turn into hate real fast. Do you remember a time when Sidious barely threatened to replace Maul, and Maul then tries to kill Sidious. It happened before, so it can happen again.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Whilst your argument is based on fanboyism and nothing else. The fight is there for you to read and there's no evidence anywhere he wanted the Lightsaber fight to last a while.
There is, but you're just simple.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
But I believe you've changed your stance and your no longer saying that Both Maul & Savage get blitzed in 2 seconds. So I give you credit for changing your view and having a tiny bit of open mindedness there in you somewhere.
Nope, I haven't changed my stance at all. I never said Maul goes down in two seconds. The only time I implied it was when I said Sidious gave him time to recover from his TK attack.
As I said, you bump the thread to rehash the same defeated argument and to talk shit. You suck at arguing so you cry out "fanboyism" and call me a hypocrite. You talk shit when your ass can't back up any of your arguments, but when someone insults you, you start crying and go snitching to the mods.
I'm done debating with you also. You're annoying.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
You do realize that Sidious in every other incarnation has been shown to be a user of a single bladed style right? If anything him using Jar'Kai shows even more that he was fooling around. As he is likely more skilled in using a single blade.
That's just bull.. The fact that he pulled out 2 Sabers out showed how serious he was. Jar Kai's the way to go if your taking on 2 powerful saber opponents and not sure you can get the job done with 1.
There's no evidence in the fight suggesting that he was just there to play. He was pissed off and on an assassination mission. When Palpatine leaves his Supreme Chancellor office to go out as Darth Sidious, then it's not for a little dance.
Wow S66! You've really turned into a right cocky one over the last couple of years haven't you??
I must say looking at your arguments puberty hasn't improved them one bit. But it has made you plenty cocky.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I never said that Savage was slow. He's pretty fast for a beginner I guess. However, he was still unable to properly block blasters with his saber, so I'm not going to assume that now, within a months time, that he's as fast or as skilled as three celebrated swordsmasters.
Right, even though he did kill a Jedi Master without any training, and after training took on the Obi-Wan/Anakin duo. A feat way beyond those 3 "celebrated" swordsmen.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
lol this is beyond rediculous.
Of course it's REDICULOUS to you.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Obi Wan and Ventress are not nearly as fast as Sidious, so what's your point? That just because he can block a few strikes from them, he can avoid being blitzed by someone who can blitz three (not four) swordsmasters in seconds? You seem to be forgetting that Ventress was able to land quite a few blows on him while she was unarmed, and with a disadvantage of reach. Had she been strong enough she would have thoroughly kicked Savage's ass.
Urm, what? Ventress was unarmed because Savage moved behind her mid-saber fight. Then she was just jumping around doing her best to survive. So what?! She was still losing.
And the point is, he regularaly beats on people of Obi-Wan and Ventress's level. He's fast enough to fight off the Anakin/Obi-Wan duo.
So your A>B>C argument has no basis whatsoever. If you tried opening up your mind for a second you might see that.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Nope, Sidious can blitz him if he wanted to.
Yeah in your head.
That's not what happened in the novel, but that won't stop your imagination playing it out completely differently.
And then your really surprised when people say your being a fanboy??!
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Yeah, you seem to want some comfort and assurance that Maul is pretty good. Sorry I can't be there in person to rub your head and tell you everything will be ok. .
LOL I don't need assurance. I've read all the Maul novels. I've read most his eu stuff. I've got a statement from Dave Filoni saying he's "Very well trained in all the ways of the Sith.."
So why would I need you to teach me anything about him?? Is this part of your new cocky debating style S66??
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
No it's not a baseless assumption! He did it to three jedi masters who were fighting alongside Mace Windu.
Again with the lame A>B>C. Which one of those 3 has ever been shown fast or powerful enough to beat the crud out of Ventress, or Obi-Wan, or fight off Obi-Wan and Anakin together?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
You're an idiot.
Wow The cockiness is strong in you.
Seriously this is all your arguments have come down to. I could point your the same kid who couldn't add up just a couple of years back, but I'm not going to stoop down to your level.
If you want to win the argument, then try actually winning it instead of resorting to petty shit like this.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Yup, and Sidious paid for it too.Sidious had the chance to kill Yoda. Not because Sidious was superior to Yoda, but because Yoda either underestimated Palpatine's lightning, or because Yoda was just being stupid as hell.
Read what I said, then read what your saying. The principle is the same.
The only reason Sidious had the chance to kill Maul, was because Maul starts the fight surrendering to Sidious.
And you wonder why people call you biased?!
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
So smiling means that Maul was playing around?
No the fact that he didn't force push Obi-Wan off the ledge WHILE SMILING. THINK Sometimes. It's good for you kid!
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Now when you can show me a time when Maul has blitzed three swordsmasters in seconds, then you can assume that. Otherwise, STFU.
You trying to sound all tough over the internet or something?
When has Mace blitzed 3 Swordmasters in seconds?? Oh never? Oh so I guess Sidious can blitz Mace too right??
Like I said THINK SOMETIMES. It's good for you kid!
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
That was before Sidious denied his ass. After that, He's rushing towards Sidious trying to kill him.
Yeah who's really out for the kill? And who started the fight on his knees? Just because Maul attacked to defend himself doesn't suddenly mean he's dumped all his motivations and completely changed his end goal in a split second.
You know realistically you can't do that without still being pretty conflicted. Whilst there was not holding back, or conflicted interests in Sidious at all. Not one bit.
I agree with you that I'm repeating myself. But it's because you ignore the arguments given and jump to something else. You have to actually TACKLE my argument to call them "defeated."
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
You haven't brought any evidence that Maul was holding back. You're only assuming that just because Maul has an obsession with Sidious and tried so hard to get back in his good graces. Having an obsession with someone who doesn't want you can turn into hate real fast. Do you remember a time when Sidious barely threatened to replace Maul, and Maul then tries to kill Sidious. It happened before, so it can happen again.
You mean the time he almost bested Sidious?? And yet you continue to believe Sidious can blitz him. Thanks for providing EVEN MORE more proof towards my argument 🙂
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Nope, I haven't changed my stance at all. I never said Maul goes down in two seconds. The only time I implied it was when I said Sidious gave him time to recover from his TK attack.
Hmm let's see what you said:
I said:
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I don't think we can just make things up like Sidious could have killed Maul when ever he wanted. That's just speculation. Let's stick to facts.
And your response to that...
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Sidious can blitz two "celebrated swordsmasters" before they could react, and then another one seconds later. Are you telling me that you believe Maul to be a more challenging opponent than them three together?
That sounds to me like your using a Pretty damn Lame A>B>C argument to say Maul goes down in seconds. But who knows what the heck you go on about.
He doesn't have to be better than all 3 of them not to get blitzed. He just has to be faster than ANY ONE of them.
And that is why A>B>C rarely works kid.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
As I said, you bump the thread to rehash the same defeated argument and to talk shit.
Yes the evidence based "shit" I state, like Sidious went all out wielding 2 frigging Lightsabers to tackle these 2 beasts (plus used full on Force attacks).
And every time I've asked you WHY did he need to pull out 2 frigging Lightsabers, you just go quiet. A bit strange coming from a guy whose supposedly "defeated" my argument.
Like I said YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS MY ARGUMENTS TO DEFEAT THEM.
Otherwise keep dreaming how you defeated Darth Power in an argument by telling him to F*** OFF! LULZ
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
You suck at arguing so you cry out "fanboyism" and call me a hypocrite.
Lol. Yes just stick to those 2 words I threw out, in a middle of an argument which you had no thoughtful response to.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
You talk shit when your ass can't back up any of your arguments, but when someone insults you, you start crying and go snitching to the mods.
Well why would someone need to insult me if I'm losing the argument??
I'm not even going to count how many times you've insulted me in you last post S66, but it's a lot for someone whose apparently defeated my argument.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I'm done debating with you also. You're annoying.
Same old S66: "I know your much smarter than I am, and are debating a hell of a lot better than I am, so I'll revert back to my old YOU TALK SHIT I'M DONE DEBATING YOU. It makes me feel better."
Wow S66! You've really turned into a right cocky one over the last couple of years haven't you??
I must say looking at your arguments puberty hasn't improved them one bit. But it has made you plenty cocky.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I never said that Savage was slow. He's pretty fast for a beginner I guess. However, he was still unable to properly block blasters with his saber, so I'm not going to assume that now, within a months time, that he's as fast or as skilled as three celebrated swordsmasters.
Right, even though he did kill a Jedi Master without any training, and after training took on the Obi-Wan/Anakin duo. A feat way beyond those 3 "celebrated" swordsmen.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
lol this is beyond rediculous.
Of course it's REDICULOUS to you.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Obi Wan and Ventress are not nearly as fast as Sidious, so what's your point? That just because he can block a few strikes from them, he can avoid being blitzed by someone who can blitz three (not four) swordsmasters in seconds? You seem to be forgetting that Ventress was able to land quite a few blows on him while she was unarmed, and with a disadvantage of reach. Had she been strong enough she would have thoroughly kicked Savage's ass.
Urm, what? Ventress was unarmed because Savage moved behind her mid-saber fight. Then she was just jumping around doing her best to survive. So what?! She was still losing.
And the point is, he regularaly beats on people of Obi-Wan and Ventress's level. He's fast enough to fight off the Anakin/Obi-Wan duo.
So your A>B>C argument has no basis whatsoever. If you tried opening up your mind for a second you might see that.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Nope, Sidious can blitz him if he wanted to.
Yeah in your head.
That's not what happened in the novel, but that won't stop your imagination playing it out completely differently.
And then your really surprised when people say your being a fanboy??!
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Yeah, you seem to want some comfort and assurance that Maul is pretty good. Sorry I can't be there in person to rub your head and tell you everything will be ok. .
LOL I don't need assurance. I've read all the Maul novels. I've read most his eu stuff. I've got a statement from Dave Filoni saying he's "Very well trained in all the ways of the Sith.."
So why would I need you to teach me anything about him?? Is this part of your new cocky debating style S66??
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
No it's not a baseless assumption! He did it to three jedi masters who were fighting alongside Mace Windu.
Again with the lame A>B>C. Which one of those 3 has ever been shown fast or powerful enough to beat the crud out of Ventress, or Obi-Wan, or fight off Obi-Wan and Anakin together?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
You're an idiot.
Wow The cockiness is strong in you.
Seriously this is all your arguments have come down to. I could point your the same kid who couldn't add up just a couple of years back, but I'm not going to stoop down to your level.
If you want to win the argument, then try actually winning it instead of resorting to petty shit like this.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Yup, and Sidious paid for it too.Sidious had the chance to kill Yoda. Not because Sidious was superior to Yoda, but because Yoda either underestimated Palpatine's lightning, or because Yoda was just being stupid as hell.
Read what I said, then read what your saying. The principle is the same.
The only reason Sidious had the chance to kill Maul, was because Maul starts the fight surrendering to Sidious.
And you wonder why people call you biased?!
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
So smiling means that Maul was playing around?
No the fact that he didn't force push Obi-Wan off the ledge WHILE SMILING. THINK Sometimes. It's good for you kid!
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Now when you can show me a time when Maul has blitzed three swordsmasters in seconds, then you can assume that. Otherwise, STFU.
You trying to sound all tough over the internet or something?
When has Mace blitzed 3 Swordmasters in seconds?? Oh never? Oh so I guess Sidious can blitz Mace too right??
Like I said THINK SOMETIMES. It's good for you kid!
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
That was before Sidious denied his ass. After that, He's rushing towards Sidious trying to kill him.
Yeah who's really out for the kill? And who started the fight on his knees? Just because Maul attacked to defend himself doesn't suddenly mean he's dumped all his motivations and completely changed his end goal in a split second.
You know realistically you can't do that without still being pretty conflicted. Whilst there was not holding back, or conflicted interests in Sidious at all. Not one bit.
I agree with you that I'm repeating myself. But it's because you ignore the arguments given and jump to something else. You have to actually TACKLE my argument to call them "defeated."
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
You haven't brought any evidence that Maul was holding back. You're only assuming that just because Maul has an obsession with Sidious and tried so hard to get back in his good graces. Having an obsession with someone who doesn't want you can turn into hate real fast. Do you remember a time when Sidious barely threatened to replace Maul, and Maul then tries to kill Sidious. It happened before, so it can happen again.
You mean the time he almost bested Sidious?? And yet you continue to believe Sidious can blitz him. Thanks for providing EVEN MORE more proof towards my argument 🙂
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Nope, I haven't changed my stance at all. I never said Maul goes down in two seconds. The only time I implied it was when I said Sidious gave him time to recover from his TK attack.
Hmm let's see what you said:
I said:
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I don't think we can just make things up like Sidious could have killed Maul when ever he wanted. That's just speculation. Let's stick to facts.
And your response to that...
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Sidious can blitz two "celebrated swordsmasters" before they could react, and then another one seconds later. Are you telling me that you believe Maul to be a more challenging opponent than them three together?
That sounds to me like your using a Pretty damn Lame A>B>C argument to say Maul goes down in seconds. But who knows what the heck you go on about.
He doesn't have to be better than all 3 of them not to get blitzed. He just has to be faster than ANY ONE of them.
And that is why A>B>C rarely works kid.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
As I said, you bump the thread to rehash the same defeated argument and to talk shit.
Yes the evidence based "shit" I state, like Sidious went all out wielding 2 frigging Lightsabers to tackle these 2 beasts (plus used full on Force attacks).
And every time I've asked you WHY did he need to pull out 2 frigging Lightsabers, you just go quiet. A bit strange coming from a guy whose supposedly "defeated" my argument.
Like I said YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS MY ARGUMENTS TO DEFEAT THEM.
Otherwise keep dreaming how you defeated Darth Power in an argument by telling him to F*** OFF! LULZ
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
You suck at arguing so you cry out "fanboyism" and call me a hypocrite.
Lol. Yes just stick to those 2 words I threw out, in a middle of an argument which you had no thoughtful response to. And then actually have the nerve to accuse ME of sucking at arguments LOL!
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
You talk shit when your ass can't back up any of your arguments, but when someone insults you, you start crying and go snitching to the mods.
Well why would someone need to insult me if I'm losing the argument??
I'm not even going to count how many times you've insulted me in your last post S66, but it's a lot for someone whose apparently defeated my argument.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I'm done debating with you also. You're annoying.
Same old S66: "I know your much smarter than I am, and are debating a hell of a lot better than I am, so I'll revert back to my old YOU TALK SHIT I'M DONE DEBATING YOU. It makes me feel better."
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Wow S66! You've really turned into a right cocky one over the last couple of years haven't you??
To be fair it's easy to become cocky without the same wealth of those really smart posters around anymore. I must admit I think I'm becoming downright arrogant these days. mmm