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I've never seen them demonstrate the fine control you're suggesting.
I'm not seeing how this is a measure of "fine control." Not to get semantic (because that's tantamount to a defeated argument according to some), but it's not like they're performing brain surgery with just the Force. Anakin's demonstrated sufficient telekinesis to collapse roofs (Labyrinth of Evil), collapse buildings (the season 4 premiere), cow the Son and the Daughter, during the Mortis arc, who are unusually powerful Force beings, etc. I don't see how maneuvering a floating platform would provide much of a challenge.
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Anakin demonstrated via use of casual telekinesis that the pods were maneuverable. It enabled them to keep their distance from Opress to such a degree that he would be unable to properly apply his greater strength and size to his advantage. I mean, wasn't that your whole point? That in close quarters and in a confined space that Opress has the advantage? The platforms would enable them to keep their distance and utilize their greater numbers; he'd have to concentrate on one.
No, you're completely glossing over the fact that the narrow space on the pods severely limited any offensive maneuvers by the two Jedi when it came to say, using lightsabers. True, they could have just gored the **** out of Opress when he idiotically tossed the Toydarian up in the air like some kind of alien tiddlywink, but besides that the limited room naturally limited the engagement.
This isn't rocket science. Let's follow this through to a conclusion:
If all this had happened on even ground, even still assuming that his opponents wouldn't spear the hell out of him like is good and proper, his TK wave would basically throw them to the side where they could recover within moments as they have demonstrated against a far stronger push against a wall.
So the game-breaker in this case was the lack of even floor to allow the Jedi to recover and seriously continue the fight. This lack of floor immediately put them in a precarious position from which Opress took full advantage and then ran off to finish his errand.
And to top all, this wasn't a proper fight so much as it was a wrestling match. All of what? Three, four blows were traded between Obi-Wan and Opress. Again, not conclusive in the setting provided here in this thread. It's irrelevant. Let's move on.
You neglect to mention the fact that the dogpile was the result of Katuunko's interference, for which I'd like a concession please.
The Toydarian was struggling, yes. But the reason why Opress was open to the dogpile was because he idiotically threw the Toydarian in the air and left himself open, instead of you know, jumping away with him or something less stupid.
There's your concession.
Moreover, how does not casually hurling them aside and dropping a platform on them not translate to dominance? mmm
So you want me to say that Opress had "dominance" because he luckily benefited from the Jedi lacking ground to recover from his TK?
You realize what this means really, right? J.W. Boothe dominated Lincoln because he had the upper hand (and a gun). Vader dominated Sidious because the latter can't fly when he's being chucked over a rail. Han Solo dominated Vader in space combat because he got the drop on him while the latter was completely focused on Luke Skywalker.
Your definition of "dominance" apparently translates to "benefited from unique and advantageous circumstances". I tend to disagree.
Now that's just dirty. uhuhOf course he didn't dominate Yoda through the railing.
^ You just admitted that your idea of dominance is completely inaccurate. We're done with that point.
Though I would appreciate that you not flagrantly deceive the audience about Yoda's "victory" over the Emperor.
Not to beat a dead horse into ash at this point, but it's firmly established that Yoda disarmed Sidious and overcame him in direct Force contests. Fortune favored Sidious that day, or else he'd be dead and the OT invalid.
And no, I'm not going to get into that again in this thread. If you want to beat it to death, I'll find the old thread and link you.
You do realize that not only is Anakin prodigiously strong, but his raw energies are superior and that (as per the ROTS script) Anakin gets stronger as a fight progresses, right?
But this doesn't invalidate two things:
1. That Opress in his rage might be physically stronger.
2. That Opress' sweeping, forward moving fighting style might force even Anakin to fight defensively.
Anakin's strength does not immediately require him to avoid any defensive measures at all, nor does his defensive measures in the context of the limited space of the hallway invalidate his success against Opress. Opress literally did not break through saber-wise, and he has not demonstrated saber technique above and beyond anyone we've seen. His sole Jedi kills are complete unknowns, and he won those through sheer brute strength.
I'm not arguing that Opress's technique is better, it's definitely not.
So then there's no point to arguing his "dominance". You've already agreed with me that his technique is inferior and that circumstantial advantages do not equal dominance, even in your twisted definition. Furthermore, his rawr!Tk is debunked as a viable "game-stopper" against any opponent who isn't a youngling or starship support strut.
So basically, there is no argument. Glad you've seen the light.
KV
Ragnos solos./thread
That's not even mildly annoying when Janus does it. I urge you to remember whom your true master is and would encourage you to not defy his teachings again. uhuh
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
That's not even mildly annoying when Janus does it. I urge you to remember whom your true master is and would encourage you to not defy his teachings again. uhuh
Lol, both you and Janus have randomly claimed me as a disciple without me ever saying anything.
Can't say I'm surprised- my flair is fulgurous.
Vos solos.
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KV
Lol, both you and Janus have randomly claimed me as a disciple without me ever saying anything.
I should think that a moderately intelligent individual such as yourself would find Janus's arguments nonsensical and personality odious and penis small. sneer
Spoiler:
But welovetolerate him anyway.
I and I alone am your Master.
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c becoz flair sounds like "flare" which flashes like lightning even though it doesn't really flash but it's still pretty close becoz of all the light, and it's funny [b]shut the fvck up
If font size were directly proportional to penis size, your use of the smaller text would be appropriate.
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C becuz ur penis is small
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
So then there's no point to arguing his "dominance". You've already agreed with me that his technique is inferior and that circumstantial advantages do not equal dominance,
Urmm Except he was dominating both of them together.. Its already happened.. Stop arguing things which have already happened.
And quit this circumstantial nonsense.. We will see him in CW again this year, and if you think he won't be unleashing his apparent "Force Rage" power again, then your simply naive and your going to be proven wrong within a few months.
If however you admit and agree we haven't seen the last of Opress's uber force power (this apparent one-off force rage), then we'll just have to see what creative excuse you come up with for his next Uber showing LOL
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Furthermore, his rawr!Tk is debunked as a viable "game-stopper" against any opponent who isn't a youngling or starship support strut.
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