Yoda & Obi-Wan vs Saruman & Sauron

Originally posted by Robtard
Palpatine lead from the rear, this is true. Considering how it turned out for Sauron, seems Palpatine was the smarter leader too.

But yes, a hulking giant in armor is more fear inspiring than a pedo-looking old man in a robe.

Edit: But there's another way to compare, say we replaced Sauron with Palpatine in the War of the Last Alliance, Palpatine would have wrecked the human/elf/dwarf armies and he wouldn't have fallen for the cut-my-finger off trick due to battle-precog.

But when there wasn't he speedblitzed 3 Jedi Masters and stalemated Yoda.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sauron was simply too powerful soon as that ring started glowing guys went flying like 20-30 feet like nothing. Palpatine was a true politician who didn't want to gehis hands dirty unless there was no other alternative.

Palpatine with the Force could make "guys fly like nothing"

Yes, he lead form the rear, cos he's smart.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But when there wasn't he speedblitzed 3 Jedi Masters and stalemated Yoda.

Originally posted by Robtard
Palpatine with the Force could make "guys fly like nothing"

Yes, he lead form the rear, cos he's smart.

Both bad guys were defeated but I think Sauron was he smarter of the two as well. Sauron had to go onto the battlefield and still wasn't killed despite his body being destroyed.

lol

Spoiler:
Lightsaber throw, QED.

Edit: also this is ridiculously lopsided and Truculent should know better.

Originally posted by Eminence
lol

Spoiler:
Lightsaber throw, QED.

Edit: also this is ridiculously lopsided and Truculent should know better.

It is.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It is.

Why not?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, and at the end of the battle Windu effectively disarmed and defeated him.

Not droves of them like Sauron was just tossing. Look at the amount of time Palpatine was actively trying to kill Luke with his blasts with and the fact Luke calmly gets up right after his father interferes. Force lightning was weak sauce Sauron was straight killing his opponents.

Both bad guys were defeated but I think Sauron was he smarter of the two as well. Sauron had to go onto the battlefield and still wasn't killed despite his body being destroyed.

That was old-crusty-slow Palpatine, I'm talking about the Palpatine who was doing flips and spins at the end of Ep3. That Palpatine would demolish a middle-earth army.

Considering Sauron failed twice and Palpatine ruled a galaxy for a good 20 years or so, I think it's easy to see who was the smarter of the two.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Why not?

Originally posted by Robtard
That was old-crusty-slow Palpatine, I'm talking about the Palpatine who was doing flips and spins at the end of Ep3. That Palpatine would demolish a middle-earth army.

Considering Sauron failed twice and Palpatine ruled a galaxy for a good 20 years or so, I think it's easy to see who was the smarter of the two.

Sauron was around for a lot longer and faced off against other beings who were truly immortal. The only advantage Palpatine had Sauron didn't was he masked himself from the jedi until it was too late.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't see it being powerful enough to defeat him based off his implied power/what the Nazgul were capable of and what he was capable of when using the ring.

Too bad.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Too bad.

I meant that its too bad you feel that way because you have absolutely no proof and as such your argument is baseless.

Sorry 'bout the confushun.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I meant that its too bad you feel that way because you have absolutely no proof and as such your argument is baseless.

Sorry 'bout the confushun.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't see it being powerful enough to defeat him based off his implied power/what the Nazgul were capable of and what he was capable of when using the ring.

Aragorn drove off the Nazgul with a frigging torch.

😐

I don't know what this "capable of turning the tide of battle" crap is, he just showed up, killed twenty guys, killed Elendil, then Isildur cut his ring off. What's actually hilarious is that, in the book, Sauron was actually defeated by two guys whilst having the ring, but that's off-topic.

Both Yoda and Obiwan are much faster then either of the two. That's inarguable. There is no proof that either of the two can withstand lightsabers. I don't care what implied power Sauron has, screen feats show he goes down.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Aragorn drove off the Nazgul with a frigging torch.

😐

I don't know what this "capable of turning the tide of battle" crap is, he just showed up, killed twenty guys, killed Elendil, then Isildur cut his ring off. What's actually hilarious is that, in the book, Sauron was actually defeated by two guys whilst having the ring, but that's off-topic.

Both Yoda and Obiwan are much faster then either of the two. That's inarguable. There is no proof that either of the two can withstand lightsabers. I don't care what implied power Sauron has, screen feats show he goes down.

If you watch the movie you clearly see Sauron turn the tide of the battle. It's clearly the point of that scene despite the Alliance winning that Sauron's involvement changed that.

Saruman will be using his staff he doesn't have to be as quick as they are athletically.

Sauron swings his mace and he kills them. That's how easy it is. The guy was so powerful he was doing so easily.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Driving them off doesn't equal defeating them. We saw how formidable the Witch King was against gandalf. We see Gandalf easily stop an arrow using his reflexes in the second film iirc.

If you watch the movie you clearly see Sauron turn the tide of the battle. It's clearly the point of that scene despite the Alliance winning that Sauron's involvement changed that.

Saruman will be using his staff he doesn't have to be as quick as they are athletically.

Sauron swings his mace and he kills them. That's how easy it is. The guy was so powerful he was doing so easily.

Uh, given context of the situation, yes it does. The One Ring was right there, they would have stopped at nothing to obtain it. Aragorn jumped in there and beat them away, including setting one of them on fire. At the very least, they could not beat Aragorn at the time.

The Witch King, after a long ass delay, shattered Gandalf's staff....and that's it 😐. Also, I wouldn't compare an arrow to the reflexes or speed of a Jedi.

Uh, not really. We are not given a broad scope of the rest of the battle, we are only shown Sauron slaughtering nameless soldiers. I am unsure as to how that changes the tide of the battle.

Except, he won't be. Because he will have a lightsaber sticking through his throat. 😐

No, he won't. Not even counting the fact that a jedi would never be hit by such a slow moving attack, show me proof that that mace is durable enough to withstand a lightsaber.

Missed the part about their weapons can't be broken. Never the less, superior reflexes ftw.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Uh, given context of the situation, yes it does. The One Ring was right there, they would have stopped at nothing to obtain it. Aragorn jumped in there and beat them away, including setting one of them on fire. At the very least, they could not beat Aragorn at the time.

The Witch King, after a long ass delay, shattered Gandalf's staff....and that's it 😐. Also, I wouldn't compare an arrow to the reflexes or speed of a Jedi.

Uh, not really. We are not given a broad scope of the rest of the battle, we are only shown Sauron slaughtering nameless soldiers. I am unsure as to how that changes the tide of the battle.

Except, he won't be. Because he will have a lightsaber sticking through his throat. 😐

No, he won't. Not even counting the fact that a jedi would never be hit by such a slow moving attack, show me proof that that mace is durable enough to withstand a lightsaber.

What Gandalf demonstrated was very impressive and his hand to hand fight against the Balrog while falling shows how badass these Lord of the Rings characters are.

Destroying Gandalf's staff is very impressive when you look at his body of work from all three films. Gandalf was a beast and a balrog couldn't do so.

Victory was near but the power of the ring could not be undone. It was in this moment when all hope had faded.

If you don't understand what the scene or the narrator is telling us then why debate at all ?

The attack was wrecking foes nearby his swipes. Look at it again see how easily the men in scores are going down and sauron's power crushes a sword under his boot heel.

Sauron levels them with but a few swings.
Like I said watch the scene he doesn't even need to hit them just the general vicinity.