Yoda & Obi-Wan vs Saruman & Sauron

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
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Probably the same kind of idiot who doesn't foresee complications (cutting off the finger that carries the source of his power) arising in a battle involving thousands of enemies each wielding razor sharp weapons.

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Originally posted by NemeBro
Sauron was killed by a wounded man with a broken sword on-screen too.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was a lucky strike or do you feel Isuldur can defeat him one on one in a forum matchup ?

Palpatine was hurled in the fetal position over a fetal by a wounded past his prime man.

Just a fun fact.

Palpatine was lifted off the ground by a two meter tall cyborg with superhuman strength, and Palpatine killed him too.

Whoa.

quanchi
It was a lucky strike or do you feel Isuldur can defeat him one on one in a forum matchup ?

quanchi
Palpatine was hurled in the fetal position over a fetal by a wounded past his prime man.

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Spoiler:
I'm running a parallel, quanchi. Isuldur might not beat Sauron in a fight, but neither would Vader beat Palpatine. Your argument is irretrievably stupid: Both were brought down by lucky sneak attacks from inferior opponents. Why are the others arguing Palpatine is smarter? Because his intellectual feats dwarf Sauron's. As with the actual argument about the duel, you're indulging in hypocritical cherrypicking and outright fraud to try to carry the day. The others can take it from here because I'm not interested in wasting my time with someone who indulges in such tactics.

Oh, and don't worry, I am well aware of how futile arguing with Quanchi is.

But... His train of thought is so incredibly interesting to watch.

NemeBro
Oh, and don't worry, I am well aware of how futile arguing with Quanchi is.

But... His trainwreck of thought is so incredibly interesting to watch.

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Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
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Spoiler:
I'm running a parallel, quanchi. Isuldur might not beat Sauron in a fight, but neither would Vader beat Palpatine. Your argument is irretrievably stupid: Both were brought down by lucky sneak attacks from inferior opponents. Why are the others arguing Palpatine is smarter? Because his intellectual feats dwarf Sauron's. As with the actual argument about the duel, you're indulging in hypocritical cherrypicking and outright fraud to try to carry the day. The others can take it from here because I'm not interested in wasting my time with someone who indulges in such tactics.

The only advantage Palpatine had was that the jedi weren't aware of him which wasn't possible in Sauron's case. You can take the high road all you want and flee just like Palpatine tried to flee from yoda but I won't have it.

Palpatine said that before Vader became the Tinman.

quanchi112
Driving them off doesn't equal defeating them.

They all ran away, screaming, with their faces on fire.

quanchi112
We saw how formidable the Witch King was against gandalf.

Note: Yoda is not a man. Yoda throws lightsaber into Witch King's face. Witch King sputters and spazzes out of existence.

😖hifty:

quanchi112
We see Gandalf easily stop an arrow using his reflexes in the second film iirc.

YouTube video

quanchi112
Sauron kicked immortals asses on screen. The elves were immortal and feared him.

In fact, Saruman was just as "immortal" as the elves, if not moreso; he's killed by a knife to the back.

Note: Yoda throws lightsaber into Saruman's back. Saruman dies dramatically.

😖hifty:

quanchi112
Sauron wasn't killed when he lost his ring whereas Palpatine was completely destroyed. Dying in battle in terms of intelligence is fr superior then being caught completely off guard while your head enforcer is watching you kill his son. What kind of an idiot doesn't foresee complications arising in this ?

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In the end all baddies most lose but losing in battle with all kinds of variables coming at you while Palpatine was lucky to survive against Windu and then put himself in harms way at the height of power when he didn't need to.

I get that you're not very quick on the uptake, but you've had four pages to make your case and you haven't done it. The prudent thing to do at this point would be to concede quietly, not to attempt to belittle a character unrelated to the thread through bullshit and misdirection using source material from a universe you are not familiar with.

Edit: I hope you don't think I'm angry at you, I've concluded that you probably don't know any better. This is all Truculent's fault, and he will be dealt with.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Hey did you know that in the books Elendil, Isildur's father, did in fact best Sauron in combat?

Just a fun fact.

Palpatine was lifted off the ground by a two meter tall cyborg with superhuman strength, and Palpatine killed him too.

Whoa.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Palpatine said that before Vader became the Tinman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This is the movie version only. Nice try though. Vader was already wounded and wasn't in the greatest shape but Palpatine looked harmless and quite scared as he plummeted to his own death at the height of power.

Vader was fine. He lost his mechanical hand. Whoopity ****ing doo.

Palpatine was being thrown into the reactor core of a space station. Of course he was scared.

Originally posted by Eminence
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They all ran away, screaming, with their faces on fire.

Indeed, and don't forget how formidable he was against Merry! It took a whole hobbit to bring him to his knees and a crippled woman to stab him in the face.

Note: Yoda is not a man. Yoda throws lightsaber into Witch King's face. Witch King sputters and spazzes out of existence.

😖hifty:

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YouTube video

This is completely irrelevant. The elves do not die of old age; they are no less susceptible to blunt force trauma, massive blood loss and deep puncture wounds than the humans they so often die with.

In fact, Saruman was just as "immortal" as the elves, if not moreso; he's killed by a knife to the back.

Note: Yoda throws lightsaber into Saruman's back. Saruman dies dramatically.

😖hifty:

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I get that you're not very quick on the uptake, but you've had four pages to make your case and you haven't done it. The prudent thing to do at this point would be to concede quietly, not to attempt to belittle a character unrelated to the thread through bullshit and misdirection using source material from a universe you are not familiar with.

Edit: I hope you don't think I'm angry at you, I've concluded that you probably don't know any better. This is all Truculent's fault, and he will be dealt with.

Yes, a stab to the face would kill Yoda as well. Do you feel Yoda would survive a stab to his face or something ?

Yes, ok ? What is this supposed to prove ?

What you leave out is the experience age brings anyone. To argue a human being who is 35 compares to an elf 700 years old is just silly. Imagine what kind of experience, skills, and tactics you can attain in a huge lifespan.

A knife to the back of the head would also kill Yoda. The guy instead dies of old age, lol.

The case is simple he powers up through his ring and kills them both when he strikes in their general vicinity. Yoda's been ko'd by force lightning the only one ever ko'd by it with the likes of it hitting Palpatine, Luke, Windu, and Vader.

I get it you simply don't agree with it but I supported my assertion through feats and if you continue to disagree then bring it.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Oh I know it is movies only. Was just letting you know.

Vader was fine. He lost his mechanical hand. Whoopity ****ing doo.

Palpatine was being thrown into the reactor core of a space station. Of course he was scared.

Vader wasn't fine.

Palpatine was terrified of Windu as well when he was about to kill him and actually tried fleeing from yoda so a lack of courage is in his dna.

quanchi112
Yes, due to weakness exploitation they weren't killed.

Your Nazgul are not particularly formidable creatures, are they?

quanchi112
Yes, a stab to the face would kill Yoda as well. Do you feel Yoda would survive a stab to his face or something ?

We are simply establishing the pitiful ease with which your vaunted Witch King was dispatched, and that his worth to this thread is subsequently immaterial.

quanchi112
Yes, ok ? What is this supposed to prove ?

What is Gandalf's deflection of one arrow supposed to prove?

quanchi112
What you leave out is the experience age brings anyone. To argue a human being who is 35 compares to an elf 700 years old is just silly. Imagine what kind of experience, skills, and tactics you can attain in a huge lifespan.

quanchi112
A knife to the back of the head would also kill Yoda.
The guy instead dies of old age, lol.

I'll let mattatom know.

quanchi112
The case is simple he powers up through his ring and kills them both when he strikes in their general vicinity.

quanchi112
Yoda's been ko'd by force lightning the only one ever ko'd by it with the likes of it hitting Palpatine, Luke, Windu, and Vader.

quanchi112
I get it you simply don't agree with it but I supported my assertion through feats and if you continue to disagree then bring it.

Sauron's singular feat is hammering away a few terrified, very much mortal soldiers with nowhere to run and only swords to hit him with. This lasted all of a minute before one of those guys, ass planted firmly on the ground, annihilated him with a single stroke of a broken sword.

Once more: Yoda cuts his finger off. He doesn't even need to get within striking distance to do it. What is Sauron's defense?

Originally posted by Eminence
Weakness to torches, rivers and eagles? An inability to overcome one man and four cowering hobbits?

Your Nazgul are not particularly formidable creatures, are they?

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We are simply establishing the pitiful ease with which your vaunted Witch King was dispatched, and that his worth to this thread is subsequently immaterial.

I suppose I should have started there.

What is Gandalf's deflection of one arrow supposed to prove?

Unless experience confers a dramatic increase in resilience, particularly to being smashed in the face, your attempt to supplant your Man remains unabashed, dishonest fluff.

That you find being ignominiously shanked by an underling a more redeeming death than gently passing into ethereal immortality at the age of nine hundred after rather notably not being killed in combat by is telling.

I'll let mattatom know.

And this is nonsense. He can be dismantled at a distance via flying lightsabers and given how goddamn slow he is I'm sure either Jedi could dance circles around him at striking distance.

He also survived a several hundred foot fall (broken repeatedly by collision with hunks of metal) after a ball of said lightning exploded in his face.

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Sauron's singular feat is hammering away a few terrified, very much mortal soldiers with nowhere to run and only swords to hit him with. This lasted all of a minute before one of those guys, ass planted firmly on the ground, annihilated him with a single stroke of a broken sword.

Once more: Yoda cuts his finger off. He doesn't even need to get within striking distance to do it. What is Sauron's defense?

So after destroying the woman and toying with her I guess being stabbed in the back by someone you are completely unaware of translates into a forum matchup where your opponents don't surprise you while fighting someone else leaving an opening to stab you in the face.

Hey remember that time when it was just Yoda and palpatine and Yoda failed to block Palpatine's force lightning when he raised his hands slower than molasses.

That his reactionary time and hand to hand skills are pretty formidable.

So having a race of immortals gives you no advantages at all ? Interesting thoughts, really ? Hundreds of years of wisdom and experience mean nothing to you. Good to know. More training and in the ways of combat according to you don't improve either which is illogical any way you look at it.

If Yoda was caught unaware he'd die is the point. Yoda failed in his objective when Palpatine survived and he died alone on some random barren planet.

Based off of what ? What is a light saber throw going to do that will kill him ? Please back up your case.

So what ? The lightning ko'd him and his frame is anything but durable. One swipe and he's dead.

I guess annihilated to you means cutting a few fingers off which luckily had the ring on it. Sauron isn't going to reach down on a grounded Yoda or Obi here leaving himself vulnerable.

Yoda doesn't get close enough to do so the mace kills him prior to him closing the gap. Yoda never disarmed a skilled opponent in star wars. Yoda dies faster than the armored humans he was murdering.

Yoda solos 10/10...

This is spite...

Originally posted by quanchi112
So do you feel Vader has no shot against Palpatine at all via the suit ?

Vader sure thought he had no chance at least. Thats why he was the mans b*tch for 20 years after all.

(Hint: No, he had no chance)

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Yoda solos 10/10...

This is spite...

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vader sure thought he had no chance at least. Thats why he was the mans b*tch for 20 years after all.

(Hint: No, he had no chance)

George Lucas has directly stated Palpatine was stronger than Vader.

But stop dodging the point.

Said point being that I won this thread when I posted a speed feat a page or so back that proves Obi when he was a Jedi Padawan was easily fast enough to cut Sauron in half before he could begin to swing his mace.

Originally posted by NemeBro
George Lucas has directly stated Palpatine was stronger than Vader.

But stop dodging the point.

Said point being that I won this thread when I posted a speed feat a page or so back that proves Obi when he was a Jedi Padawan was easily fast enough to cut Sauron in half before he could begin to swing his mace.

I've seen Obi as a padawan rocked by tk and therefore disarmed by tk. Saruman tks him. Look I posted the exact same thing which disarmed Obi which is in Saruman's capabilities. I just won the thread.