as far as feats for a fex's speed goes. its one of the slowest and most lumbering creatures of the 'nid army. i hate to bring game stats into this, but initiative 1 cements that. (meaning all of its attacks happen after anyone else with a higher initiative already hit it. from 1 to 10, 1 is the absolute slowest.) fact is, the fex is not agile. it charges in and uses its hardened shell to deflect the most punishing fire until it can get in close, and because its so big, troops like space marines (who arent exactly noted for being able to jump over, or backflip a scything talon twice as tall as they are) dont really have the speed to evade its wide swings and swipes with claw, tusk, and tail.
and.. ive noticed something..
http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40k/images/4/48/Carnifex_in_game.png
see the purple bits? those are HEAVILY armored bits. the white bits? much less so. and that bit-o-red behind its head, connecting it to its torso.. prolly the least bit armored. its body cant be unvulnerable. it still has to be flexible enough to allow it to move. so im sure it has weak spots to exploit besides the eyes.
having said that, the way ive seen fexes move, in game. its hunches low. very low for its size. presenting its head down, covering its eyes from fire, and most of that big plating on its back forward. not much of its stomach is presented. so when it assaults, its really only presenting its strongest, toughest parts to the enemy. but from the side, below, and behind it, there would be more vulnerable spots to bring it down.
although.. i just found this thing..
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs47/i/2009/181/d/f/Carnifex_by_slaine69.jpg
which would prolly be a better image to spot its non-plated parts. like in its limbs, and obviously fleshy neck bits.
and what bio-morph of fex is this again? does it have regerate? bonded exoskeliton? hardened carapace? bio-plasma? tusked? tailblade? adrenal glands?
and shin.. dantes feats are in game. theres not alot lore outside of in game for him, besides one manga, and a short anime series. as a feat for his strength, he swung his sword as a fireball that was twice his own height, that was flying at him.. and sent it right back into the face of the monster that fired it. he pushed against the crushing hand of savier, whos size alone makes it a good indicator that hes powerful. and hes been chomped by echidna (a plant/dragon demon/woman about the equivalent size of a trygon) and put his arms, legs and shoulders into shoving her mouth open while he was inside her, and escaped.
now.. judging by those in game actions. im pretty sure he has enough strength to hack into a fex's more unprotected flesh. the scything talons blades, and the hardened carapace parts, probably not. though i doubt theres much that specifically can.
also.. side note.. unrelated to the thread.. carnifex's used to look like this.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/2008/8/1_Carnifex-01152824.jpg
aint that just funny?
oh.. and i had to share this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-We_qBoDPOY
dantes feats for agility. i'd LOVE to see a fex touch this.
right? i was just using that as a referance.. dantes teleporting, bluring his image with his speed, kicking off the ground, kicking off the air, constantly shifting in and out of DT. when faced with multiple opponents, some capable of their own teleportation, and some with a fast charge attack with their scythes. and they're all surrounding him at many points during the battle. dantes also been able to shoot down other bullets in the air with his own guns before they hit him. (in more than one game, in cutscenes and in game, as well) oh, and did you notice his shift into DT causes a shockwave that stuns and knocks back enemies?
the more i think about it, the more i think dante could take on some space marine captains... they'd never touch him.
so then it ends up being like a boss battle on dante must die mode.. if you dont kill things in under a minute, all enemies go into their own devil trigger enhanced mode. (think of a hyper mode) and they hit harder, ignore all but the strongest attacks, and regen their own health. which, that last vid was in dante must die mode. so im still in favor of dante, although it'll take much longer to bring the fex down.
as far as feats for a fex's speed goes. its one of the slowest and most lumbering creatures of the 'nid army. i hate to bring game stats into this, but initiative 1 cements that.Gameplay mechanic.
With their 9-10 strength and the available biomorphs making them I4 would be hilarious. =|
see the purple bits? those are HEAVILY armored bits. the white bits? much less so.Congratulations, you've spotted the parts of the Carnifex that everyone knew Dante had no chance in hell or the warp of so much as scratching. The 'less' armoured parts of the fex? Still armoured. Still withstood planet glassing. Still impenetrable to Sergeant Tellion and his modified heavy bolter.
and shin.. dantes feats are in game. theres not alot lore outside of in game for him, besides one manga, and a short anime series. as a feat for his strength, he swung his sword as a fireball that was twice his own height, that was flying at him.. and sent it right back into the face of the monster that fired it. he pushed against the crushing hand of savier, whos size alone makes it a good indicator that hes powerful. and hes been chomped by echidna (a plant/dragon demon/woman about the equivalent size of a trygon) and put his arms, legs and shoulders into shoving her mouth open while he was inside her, and escaped.Cool, cool. Now were any of these as strong or durable as a Carnifex? Dante's not strong enough to hold open the mouth of a fex, or to parry it's claw. Just attempting either of those would result in him dying due to the wiiiide gap in physical might.
also.. side note.. unrelated to the thread.. carnifex's used to look like this.In second edition, yep. In third they looked like this:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/20...ex-01152824.jpg
aint that just funny?
sigh. shin, that was one documented fex. that survived by coming out from beneath the earth, and was still nearly dead. hell, theres even reports of rippers surviving exterminatus from the 'nid codex. because they can burrow into the earth and go into a hybernative state. dont act like it just stood there and took the full force like nothing, because it didnt. the thing was underground, which also helps it take the damage.
and does it say specifically where he was shooting with his bolter? or just that this big monstrous thing was charging him, and he pulled out his gun and fired like a madman because, well goddamn.. its a walking bio-tank about to kill your ass deader than disco?
(and for arguements sake, i could compare a bolter to this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJYMtgsSl5k
the only difference being its a 12 ga, compared to a .75 calibur round. both are armor peircing explosives. lets see your rage face.)
you seem pretty adamant that the fex is indestructable to anything not top tier in the 40k universe. and that there are no equivalents in any other 'verse. and you still havent answered if you've played the devil may cry games.
that survived by coming out from beneath the earth, and was still nearly dead.Negatory, it was injured and rapidly healing. Oh, and it wasn't in a hole, either, it had simply hunkered down. Basically, it laid down.
Injured = alive. Planet glassing > Dante.
(and for arguements sake, i could compare a bolter to this..No you couldn't. That's nothing like a bolter. That is a shotgun. Legit, what? That wouldn't get past IG flak armour.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJYMtgsSl5k
and does it say specifically where he was shooting with his bolter? or just that this big monstrous thing was charging him, and he pulled out his gun and fired like a madman because, well goddamn.. its a walking bio-tank about to kill your ass deader than disco?
Originally posted by cool_ghost
how fast?
From the codex:
"Some Tyranids have shown the ability to heal from horrendous wounds and injuries that should have proven fatal. Flesh and organs grow anew whilst bone and chitin knit together at an alarming rate, leaving little more than a scar as evidence of any damage."
ughn. the AA12 is a shotgun, thats also capable of firing 12 ga grenades at full auto, machine gun capability. those grenades come in armor peircing varieties. so, as i said. the only difference would be the size of the round fired. 12ga vs .75 calibur.
and ive read the new codex you're pulling the exterminatus feat from. it doesnt say it was lying down. it said it was rising like a mountain pushing out of the earth. I.E. underground. and ive shown the vid of what exterminatus does. it shears away entire layers of planets crust, along with the atmosphere, oceans and anything else on the surface. that fex wasnt a typical fex. it had to have regeneration to recover from that kind of assault. and it had to be aided in surviving by being beneath the worst of the assault, underground. and it was nearly dead. it didnt even notice the survey team it was within sight of as it was coming out of its daze. they had time to bail and call down another orbital strike on it.
that codex also states that things as weak as ripper swarms have survived exterminatus using the same feat as that fex. and a gaurdsman can stomp the life out of one of them with a boot. which really goes a long way towards explaining how to survive exterminatus.
and as far as old one eye goes.. didnt that hole in its face come from a plasma gun?
http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40k/images/b/b6/Old_One_Eye.jpg
hes kind of lookin pretty zombie-like..
and a plasma weapon is simply firing volitile globs of superheated gasses like a projectile. of which, i could argue dantes hellfire could easily match. in the first game, theres a frost demon that can survive the heat of hell itself with its ice-body. and dantes gauntlets smashed them up fairly easily.
and was this tellion a space marine? or part of the gaurd? because im fairly certain that gaurdsmen dont get the same calibur of bolt weaponry the astartes do.
and you've still yet to answer if you've played any of the devil may cry games...
and ill back up the fireball/molten magma attack with this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD7TPG35F_4
keep in mind hell is a crazy volcanic, magma and flame filled/living organism level in this game. and those fires he uses outstrip it by far. so its at least on par with plasma weaponry.
nevermind. found out about tellion on my own. space marine commander of the ultramarines. meaning pretty top tier badass in weaponry. (i dont follow much on ultramarines, as they're not my favorite chapter) but he did manage to drop it with a eye socket headshot. and the info i saw was the shots couldnt get past its armored flanks. which i still see it as the stronger armored bits.
although OOE's regeneration ability is unique. he recovers from death. reports are of it being killed dozens of times, its body just regens it and it gets back up afterwards. other fex's cant do that. once they die, they die.
and based on the tabletop, a fex with regen works VERY well in a battle of attrition. not so well in a hard and fast brawl. they're not going to have a deadpool-level of healing. more like a slower wolverine. heals damage over time, while its moving between ingagements over a large scale battlefield. not closing holes in its flesh as they're made.
pretty much..the venom cannon punches into tank armor really nicely. and the fex's scything talons are also something honed down to a monomolecular edge. though everything ive seen of a fex using its talons shows they like stabbing things with it. and slashing with its crushing claws.. (which this fex doesnt have) his it can totally slash with it..
the only difference would be the size of the round fired. 12ga vs .75 calibur.
Oh, and also the wide difference in power. A bolt round is more effective than a lasgun round, lasguns have a multi megajoule output as per imperial armour.
IE, the bolter round is so much more powerful than a modern day grenade it's hilarious to compare them. As a side note, they're also self propelled rockets, but meh.
new codex you're pulling the exterminatus feat from. it doesnt say it was lying down. it said it was rising like a mountain pushing out of the earth. I.E. underground.
Oh, that's cool how a dormant Carnifex can dig it's way up out of the earth's crust. Oh, wait, no, it simply hibernated that way, and debris piled up on it from the barrage of 'mass yield cyclonic saturation'.
Oh, and it wasn't even a regen fex, it was simply hibernating to heal more quickly, a regen fex would already have been healed. IE:
that fex wasnt a typical fex. it had to have regeneration to recover from that kind of assault.WRONG! 😛
and as far as old one eye goes.. didnt that hole in its face come from a plasma gun?It did, and I'm not sure what this proves? A plasma gun, as per imperial armour, has the power of small star or something, and actually converts matter it strikes into plasma.
http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40...Old_One_Eye.jpg
hes kind of lookin pretty zombie-like..
and a plasma weapon is simply firing volitile globs of superheated gasses like a projectile. of which, i could argue dantes hellfire could easily match.Please, PLEASE back this up with a feat. A really, really good one. A plasma shot can pierce space marine armour with ease.
Originally posted by Matthias FenrisK, I watched it... Please, please explain to me how this video makes Ifrit on par with plasma weaponry? 😐 Some fire and a fireball attack =/= the power of a small star.
and ill back up the fireball/molten magma attack with this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD7TPG35F_4
keep in mind hell is a crazy volcanic, magma and flame filled/living organism level in this game. and those fires he uses outstrip it by far. so its at least on par with plasma weaponry.
space marine commander of the ultramarines. meaning pretty top tier badass in weaponry. (i dont follow much on ultramarines, as they're not my favorite chapter) but he did manage to drop it with a eye socket headshot. and the info i saw was the shots couldnt get past its armored flanks. which i still see it as the stronger armored bits.The entire point of the entry is that until Tellion got a lucky shot into an already open wound he couldn't even hurt OOE.
Carnifexen are badass amounts of durable.
Now, can we please compare Dante's strength to the Carnifex's durability? Can he honestly stack up to exterminatus, can the strength of his blows really compare to the monomolecular edge of a chainsword?
Also, this is a regenfex, apparently, as Nemebro allowed the Carnifex regen, meaning Dante honestly can't kill it, imho. Even blinding it won't matter now, he'll get tired eventually, and it will rip him apart effortlessly. Dante <<<< Wraithbone spires.
Also, I'd like to apologise for my tone. I know a lot of my posts come off as harsh and aggressive. It's a bad habit, I actively try to tone it down, but my debater's tone is naturally bitter and angry. 🙁
