Originally posted by Korto Vos
Like against the Balrog, Gandalf will fight without any Valar limitations. Meaning it's actually logical for me to take the best showing of Gandalf the White to shape my argument.And besides, have your forgotten his Shield?
I agree with this: the Maia fight with limitations against mortals but don't hold back against their own kind...especially corrupted versions of their own kind like that super awesome lightning bolt trick. 😄
Originally posted by dadudemon
Your post needs corrections for accuracy:Gandalf's shield was mutually destroyed with a magical fire-sword from the Balrog when the Balrog struck it.
The death spell can be blocked by wood doors and gravestones but it causes damage as though it were shot by bullets.
Are you telling me that wood doors and gravestones would have resisted a blow from the Balrog? No. Gandalf could also opt to block with his staff and/or sword because wizards in HP are clearly seen using their magical wands to block/null magical spells cast at each other.
Correct, it did seem to go down after it blocked the blow.
As it pertains to this fight, what I said was correct. There is no reason to believe the death-spell could go through, let alone destroy Gandalf's magically superior shield.
Gandalf could block because he's shown the ability to simutaneously block and arrow from Legolas and an axe from Gimli. He's like Spider-man reflexes.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Actually, Dude did say this:So I would like to amend my position slightly: I think that Gandalf's reactions are fast enough to block most attacks from the HP wizards. Only the fastest/best duelists from HP will be quick enough to get the drop on Gandalf.
So no first years will be able to take him out.
Only seasoned fighters from HP are a good enough match for Gandalf.
That said, I still see Voldemort as been far too powerful and versatile for Gandalf. This is after having read the entire thread.
Still, he believes Voldemort > Gandalf.
I didn't see this post.
This is also class act.
That was honest/big of you.
So I apologize for how strong my arguments were, earlier.
Still...why do you do what seems like overtly lying like you think the HP people have the mentality of a 6 year old? We won't really believe it.
Originally posted by Robtard
Actually, it can be blocked by magic and what's more important, Gandalf's magic > Harry Potter magic. So your premise is flawed.
It can be blocked by Lurve, and the twin-core thing. None of which Gandalf has in his arsonal.
And Harry Potter magic is vastly superior to Gandalfs.
Originally posted by Robtard
Correct, it did seem to go down after it blocked the blow.
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Originally posted by Robtard
As it pertains to this fight, what I said was correct. There is no reason to believe the death-spell could go through, let alone destroy Gandalf's magically superior shield.
That doesn't make much sense since Voldemort was seen destroying a retardedly more powerful shield than Gandalf's.
Voldemort's shield destorying ability is >>>>>>>> any shield Gandalf was seen using.
Originally posted by Robtard
Gandalf could block because he's shown the ability to simutaneously block and arrow from Legolas and an axe from Gimli. He's like Spider-man reflexes.
I agree: I was on the side of you on this particular point.
I think the staff and his reflexes are up to snuff if he's far enough away from Voldy.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It can be blocked by Lurve, and the twin-core thing. None of which Gandalf has in his arsonal.
Wait....
I don't understand this.
If headstones can block it (but crumble) and wood can to (but splinters)...why would not gandalf's staff also be able to block the spells?
Are you saying that IF what he's holding touches the spell...it's death-o spell-o for Gandalf-o?
I do not support that position and I am not convinced it holds true.
Why is it true to you?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Wait....I don't understand this.
If headstones can block it (but crumble) and wood can to (but splinters)...why would not gandalf's staff also be able to block the spells?
Are you saying that IF what he's holding touches the spell...it's death-o spell-o for Gandalf-o?
I do not support that position and I am not convinced it holds true.
Why is it true to you?
I'm talking about magically.
Though Gandalf blocking with his staff would get it blowed da fvck up.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It can be blocked by Lurve, and the twin-core thing. None of which Gandalf has in his arsonal.And Harry Potter magic is vastly superior to Gandalfs.
Only HP magical-love can block it. Gandalf isn't from HP.
Incorrect. Just as Tolkein > Rowling, Gandalf > Anything Harry Potter. He's the better wizard.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what is Gandalf's magic superior to Hp's magic ? Also in what...formidability, versatility, power ?
Because he's the guy who fights epic battles and superior foes. His magic is superior.
Voldermort wishes the sum total of his life were as epic as one of Gandalf's adventures.
Originally posted by dadudemonI agree. I myself favor the s--- out of the Lotr movies over the Hp ones. But to say gandalf or Saruman are better at anything than the upper crust of an entire fictional realm of wizards such as Voldemort it just defies all logic and reasoning.
In...pretty much nothing.In every single category he's used magic, he's outclassed by the HP wizards...but most especially, Voldy.
I can accept some still can think Gandalf wins and completely understand without the dissenting opinion this place loses all relevance but to boldly claim gandalf's magic>>>Voldemort's it's like saying Wolverine is stronger than the Hulk.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is a double standard as I have tried telling you in multiple posts from practically the first page. You are arguing for Gandalf but are selecting his attacks which aren't consistent with what he normally does in character in the mountain of battle scenes he is in throughout the trilogy. Voldemort you are using what's in character for him but not the same with Gandalf ie. selecting which attacks he uses and when.You are in a sense powerset arguing which means you are arguing based off of his feats/abilities and telling us how you'd win against Voldemort who still has to fight in character. You can't have it both ways. That's the point. If you want the powerset argument then Voldemort will be apparating all over the place while letting loose giant creatures of flame then tossing out Avada Kedavra's left and right.
1. All you have been arguing is that "Voldemort is more powerful than Gandalf, and that's why Gandalf can break/burn Voldemort's wand."
That and ever-praising Voldemort destroying the battered Hogwarts barrier.
2. I'm not powerset arguing, as you will soon see.
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
I must reluctantly declare, once again, bullshit. First, it is imperative that you understand that you are not the thread-maker and so do not have the authority to impose conditions, particularly when they obviously favor the character you favor. Second, it is equally imperative that you understand the dangerous logic to which you subscribe: Arguing what a character will do {as regards specific actions} is problematic and for just this reason-- it could backfire spectacularly.
Hear me out:
Gandalf, as ordered by the Valar, is not to be able to combat Sauron or other evils with power, but rather by other means (such as rallying the Free Peoples of Middle-Earth). Hence, in most fights, he relies on his physical abilities with the sword and staff. Yet, against "alpha" opponents, he has to resort to his inner Istari powers to successfully engage them.
Gandalf the Grey:
Normal Version- Against Goblins; Cave-troll
* Fights with sword and staff (Battle in the Chamber of Mazarbul)
Istari Version- Against Saruman; Durin's Bane
* Telekinesis (against Saruman) ; Shield (against Balrog) ; Blast (destroy the Bridge of Khazad-Dum)
Gandalf the White:
Normal Version- Against Uruk-Hai; Orcs; Trolls
* Fights with sword and staff (Battle of the Hornburg; Battle of the Pelennor Fields; Battle of the Morannon)
Istari Version- Against Aragorn/Legolas/Gimli; Horde of Uruk-Hai; Saruman; Nazgul; Witch-King of Angmar
* Blinding Light (Rendezvous in the Fangorn Forest; Rohirrim Cavalry charge in Battle of the Hornburg; Fall of Osgiliath) ; Shield (Confrontation with Saruman) ; Pyrokinesis (Rendezvous in the Fangorn Forest) ; Blast (Rendezvous in the Fangorn Forest; Confrontation with Saruman)
It's evident that because of these vast apparent differences in power and skill that we have to distinguish Gandalf into two categories, of which we can determine his in-character tendencies.
For Gandalf the White Istari version, we see that he is defensive-minded.
When Aragorn and company attack him in the Fangorn Forest, he defends (envelops himself in Blinding Light; shatters/burn opponent's weaponry). When Saruman unleashes a large fireball at him, he defends (with his Shield), and then uses Blast to obliterate his opponent's staff. When the Witch-King of Angmar faces him in Minas Tirith, you see Gandalf defending with his staff (you hear a magical sound- likely that of his invisible Shield being invoked).
Against, Voldemort, an "alpha" opponent, we must look at the Istari version of Gandalf the White.
As you can see, the 'story'/summary explanation of how this battle would occur is very much in agreement with in-character tendencies.
Originally posted by RobtardAn epic battle has nothing to do with overall formidability or power level. Absolutely nothing. Dumbledore would also completely decimate the Balrog as well. Both Dumbledore and Voldemort are simply beyond the Balrog.
Because he's the guy who fights epic battles and superior foes. His magic is superior.Voldermort wishes the sum total of his life were as epic as one of Gandalf's adventures.
Unlike Gandalf who needed to get up close and personal to defeat it after a lengthy battle Dumbledore or Voldemort could defeat it without even coming near it or even being in harm's way. Both also have the power to negate the fire demon's fire magic as well.