Originally posted by Nephthys
So?He barely does magic. He mostly fights with a sword. 😐
So the death-spell isn't getting through Gandalf's superior shielding. It can't take out wood, FFS.
Except when he doesn't fight with a sword and uses magic.He's not a moron who would charge another wizard with his sword, nothing in the films suggest he'd do this.
Originally posted by Korto Vos1. I am saying the tactic used by Gandalf only works against a magically inferior foe. The conclusion is this tactic won't work due to Voldemort's superior power so another tactic will have to come into play because this one doesn't work here.
1. All you have been arguing is that "Voldemort is more powerful than Gandalf, and that's why Gandalf can break/burn Voldemort's wand."That and ever-praising Voldemort destroying the battered Hogwarts barrier.
2. I'm not powerset arguing, as you will soon see.
That's a feat showing off his superior power over all the other wizards which is pretty impressive.
2.You are ignoring Gandalf's actions in the films. When he destroyed Saruman's staff he let saruman attack him prior to. So nowhere does Gandalf just immediately destroy a staff from the word go. Secondly, the shining lights didn't result in him defeating a single opponent. He mainly does so to drive someone back or buy his allies time.
Originally posted by quanchi112
An epic battle has nothing to do with overall formidability or power level. Absolutely nothing. Dumbledore would also completely decimate the Balrog as well. Both Dumbledore and Voldemort are simply beyond the Balrog.Unlike Gandalf who needed to get up close and personal to defeat it after a lengthy battle Dumbledore or Voldemort could defeat it without even coming near it or even being in harm's way. Both also have the power to negate the fire demon's fire magic as well.
LoL, that was Gandalf the Grey. Stop trying to downplay Gandalf the White's obvious superior magic. Poor and dishonest tactic.
Originally posted by Robtard
So the death-spell isn't getting through Gandalf's superior shielding. It can't take out wood, FFS.Except when he doesn't fight with a sword and uses magic.He's not a moron who would charge another wizard with his sword, nothing in the films suggest he'd do this.
Gandalfs shield isn't made out of wood. It is made out of magical energy, which as I have pointed out to you, is simply ineffective at blocking the Killing Curse.
I agree, he'll try to lightly slap him with TK and make grandiose speeches about the Secret Fire he serves, which could be interpreted as a gay pick up line coming from Ian McKellen.
Originally posted by Robtard
Are you implying I usually can't debate well? Nice.
Thanks. I tried to put it as nicely as possible.
Originally posted by RobtardYou said superior opponents. I assumed you meant Balrog. If it wasn't the Balrog then who did you mean, the Witch King or Saruman ?
LoL, that was Gandalf the Grey. Stop trying to downplay Gandalf the White's obvious superior magic. Poor and dishonest tactic.
It's not downplaying it just isn't in the same ballpark as Voldemort's. No shame in being second place here. Oh right, there's just two guys. Whoops. My bad.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I demand robtard takes this seriously. I call into question his honor as a poster of the movie vs. thread to settle this issue before bedtime and not a moment afterwards.
😆
Originally posted by Robtard
Except when he doesn't fight with a sword and uses magic.He's not a moron who would charge another wizard with his sword, nothing in the films suggest he'd do this.
Well....he just stood there and yelled at the Balrog before making an incantation.
So we do have a precedent of him just not...doing anything in the face of a powerful magical foe.
Originally posted by dadudemon
So, basically, you have nothing to properly reply with?All of you questions were already addressed in my previous post.
You won't get away with circular discussions with me. 😉
Additionally, you said "single wizard's shield".
I'm being honest? I quoted exactly what you said earlier, and stated my reason for why I found it troublesome.
You've actually COMPLETELY missed the point entirely. That's not the question you should be asking if you actually understood what my points were (after reading through, you know what the point was, but for some reason, you pretend to not know here).If you're interested, ask me what the point was. If you're more interested in posturing and strawman arguments, don't bother asking me.
All right, tell me your point.
1. This is obviously an attempt on your part to not only deflect from the events that occurred, but to try and sound smart.2. Yes, the third law. Admit it: you looked it up. 🙂 If you admit that, then I have an equally awesome admission, too. 😄
...I am taking an electromagnetic physics course at the University of Michigan. In fact, I am a study group leader for the lower-level physics mechanics course (which involves Newtonian physics) because I received an A- in that course.
3. Some of the impact was clearly absorbed by Gandalf as he stumbled under the blow. Some of the force was absorbed by the shield because it had some sort of anti-fire incantation going on with it (read the subtitles or listen to the incantation: he has some anti-fire magic mixed in). Still, not all of the force was transferred to Gandalf and/or his shield because the swing had "follow through" as the sword dissolved. This explains why the bridge didn't collapse under the force of the swing (which it should have, even if made from granite).
Isn't that what I said earlier? All the force involved was between the Balrog's blow and Gandalf's shield, and that's why the bridge wasn't broken.
He says an incantation? Are you talking about "Flame of Udun," because that means 'flame of hell,' aka the Balrog?
Again, lies.I showed the video.
It was hardly damaged, at all.
A massive bombardment can be as massive as it wants against a magical shield: fact remains that there was barely any damage and they were getting NO where against the shield.
Again, I have caught you going out of your way to lie about the events on the side you do not support. It's as though you think the "other side" is as dumb as a 6 year old. Why would you even think that would fly without some sort of legitimate protest?
Back on topic: if you shoot a steel shield with a lead BBs, you MIGHT eventually get through if you have enough BBs and time...and you're probably doing some damage...but it is insignificant. That's the proper comparison that should be made before Voldemort came into the picture.
Dude, stop calling my arguments "lies." If you think my analysis of what occurred is wrong, say that instead. Don't call me a liar.
Sure, your analogy works except the barrier was bombarded. My layers analogy is more logical, and more valid.
1. That’s a wiki article.
2. It clearly states it is conjecture. What that means is it is a guess. It is not canonical (it states that.)
3. It’s not a shield penetration spell, at all: It was shield destroying magic which had no incantation associated with it and no known magic associated with it. BUT, if you want something to compare it to, it was vastly more powerful than all of the blasts shot by the death eaters, up to that point…all at once.
1. It's quite accurate.
2. True. Take it for what it is.
3. I disagree; granted, it was a powerful blast, but had the Death Eaters continued for a little bit longer, they too would have destroyed the shield.
Spoiler:
It was a nice try on your part, however, to try and come off as knowledgeable about the other side. It won’t fool me, but it would probably fool others.Some of your points exude blind fanboyism: that’s what I’ll call your points. If you cannot deal with it, I do not care. But it would be nice if you didn’t go out of your way to lie about events to be right when it is quite clear that you’re either trolling or off your rocker.
If you feel hurling insults improves the quality of your argument, feel free to continue, I guess.
You’ve gone beyond the point of blind fanboyism by this point. There was follow through as the Balrog’s sword shattered/dissolved. You denying it doesn’t make it disappear. That particular point was not up for debate. Any other points you make about this will be ignored UNLESS it is to say, “I apologize for going out of my way to lie.”
How is this particular point not up for debate? I am offering my interpretation of what I saw.
Watch at 2:21, and you see the screenshot of the Balrog bringing the force of its blow entirely on the shield. And then when the shield destroys the blade into molten fragments, you see the slipping of the breaking hilt and the Balrog's recoil.
If you continue calling whatever I say as "lies," I will ignore your counterargument and refuse to debate with you.
Read this again:
(non-vacuum/nuclear bombs, of course)
A vacuum bomb has the power of a low-yield nuke.
To expand the forward slash, you would end up with this:
(non-vacuum bombs and non-nuclear bombs, of course)
That’s what the forward slash is for.
No worries: I could have been clearer. I apologize.
Yeah, no worries.
stated that because I did not want the HP supporters to take my words and run with it like it was a new discovery. That has happened in the past.You do know that there is more than one way to lie, right?
I think the video was both edited and is low quality, to be honest. However, Voldemort makes no incantation. Unless you consider screaming like a little b*tch in a fit rage, an incantation. 😉
If you want to provide the true evidence, feel free to do so. Other than that, that was what you brought to the table.
Well, now you’re doing that “deny what is seen on screen” thing again.
The entire shield “explodes” when he makes “magical contact”.
And, no you’re still doing that lie about what was seen on screen: the damage to the shield is clearly seen in a previous scene. The damaged portions are orange-ish and the undamaged portions are blue. The shield obviously self-repairs because the vast majority was back to blue again.
No matter how much you deny what was seen on screen, it stands: the shield was almost completely intact. Voldemort destroyed an awesomely powerful shield in one attack that was almost at 100%.
This point will not be debated anymore: if you respond with anything other than “You are right” or “Voldemort can destroy very powerful shields”, they will be ignored.
Basically, you're unwilling to debate if I disagree; if you came into this thread thinking everyone will shake their heads and accept whatever you say as the truth, you're mistaken. Why you are even here then?
Not exactly; again, I repeat my layers analogy. We see "orange explosions" when the Death Eaters bombarded the shield, thereby removing layers upon layers. When Voldemort performed his blast, the orange stayed as the barrier was finally breached.
I address this, later…towards the very bottomThat point is quite clear and no other explanation is required. If you do not understand that direct point, that’s too bad.
But if you’re getting hung up with “his” being spelled “hos”…Sure have, buddy. And I’ve outlined which times you have. (Lies, usually)
Concession accepted. Boy, that was a waste of time, wasn’t it?
Please quote where I said that. 🙂
I'll just refrain from commenting on this.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Gandalfs shield isn't made out of wood. It is made out of magical energy, which as I have pointed out to you, is simply ineffective at blocking the Killing Curse.I agree, he'll try to lightly slap him with TK and make grandiose speeches about the Secret Fire he serves, which could be interpreted as a gay pick up line coming from Ian McKellen.
Thanks. I tried to put it as nicely as possible.
You're implying that wood > Gandalf's shield, again. Wrong.
That was Gandalf the Grey, the White is a man-of-action.
Then why am I destroying all the pro-Voldermort fanboy arguments? Exactly. Patronus this!
Originally posted by quanchi112
You said superior opponents. I assumed you meant Balrog. If it wasn't the Balrog then who did you mean, the Witch King or Saruman ?It's not downplaying it just isn't in the same ballpark as Voldemort's. No shame in being second place here. Oh right, there's just two guys. Whoops. My bad.
Superior everything. Even Ian's acting is better than Ralph's.
Yes, you are. You continually try and use Gandalf's the Grey in here, when it's the White. This is your only defensive.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Since RJ is my real life friend (we’re really good friends in fact…he’s like a brother to me), I hardly find that insulting. HOWEVER, don’t you find it rude to RJ to consider it rude to be like RJ? Just simply taking that stance means you think you’re vastly superior to him to the point of considering being compared a gross insult. The implications are that you feel vastly superior to RJ. uhuh
But let’s not go there. You should have said, “Thanks, man! 😄 That means a lot coming from one of his very best friends.”
1. I don't know RJ; I wasn't here when he was around. But whenever anyone mentions him in this forum, it's in a negative context, which therefore leads me to a less-than-admirable opinion of him.
2. You yourself made it sound as an insult- and therefore I am justified in reacting the way I did.
Nevertheless, I apologize if I insulted him or you.
And no...I never said nor implied myself better than him; I said I wasn't him. Which is the truth.
I quite clearly put a stop to it. Don’t try and back-pedal out of what you were trying to do and that was pass off “unknown” powers and abilities to be used in a vs. discussion.
Wrong. Read it again, and you'll realize your error. I will say no more.
Proven to be fail. I was the sun. In the novel, it was his staff.
Neph posted two videos of the Blinding Light in the films.
Vastly inferior to the Hogwarts shield which you admitted already…and Voldemort is capable of destroying.By feats, Voldemorts is vastly superior. This is not even close.
This is still up for discussion between the both of us. Besides, why would Voldemort open with a shield-penetrating incantation anyway?
And...pyrokinesis on the wand...
The only time that has ever worked was on the magical staffs of the wizards: both to Gandalf from the Witch King and from Gandalf to Saruman. This can only be applied to magical beings in which he is superior to: since Voldemort is vastly superior, that won’t happen.Same with Voldemort but in far greater power.
In fact, the wizards never show “magical exhaustion”. Only physical exhaustion from running around and swinging their arms like idiots.
Isn't the point of this thread to debate who is more powerful? He very much can Blast a piece of wood in Voldemort's hand. And if you consider that he is a divine figure, above mankind, that's all the more reason he will be able to Blast.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I didn't see this post.This is also class act.
That was honest/big of you.
So I apologize for how strong my arguments were, earlier.
Still...why do you do what seems like overtly lying like you think the HP people have the mentality of a 6 year old? We won't really believe it.
It's common courtesy, nothing more.
There was no need for you to have made your arguments "strong" with harsh language or insults; you, in fact, made it weaker in my eyes.
And I'm ignoring your last question.