KV
Nope, no manufacturing.Gandalf and Voldemort stand a duelists' distance apart in a Hogwarts hallway.
3...2...1...FIGHT! My interpretation (in-line-with-character, having both opponents dynamically interacting, & using proper movie feats)!
Nonsense.
Gandalf's typical attacks are with a sword; Voldemort pwnz0rs him, since Gandalf wouldn't automatically know to use his spells and staff.
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Nonsense.
Gandalf's typical attacks are with a sword; Voldemort pwnz0rs him, since Gandalf wouldn't automatically know to use his spells and staff.
Did you not read my earlier post?
We're going by in-character-tendencies of Gandalf the White Istari mode against an "alpha" opponent.
Believe me, I know Voldemort CAN, in theory, spam-apparate; or move into the adjacent hall, cast a Fiendfyre, and send it after Gandalf. But that's completely out-of-character.
EDIT: My interpretation is correct. If you want to say it's Gandalf the White Normal Version, bound by Valar limitations, then yes he will charge forward with sword and shield and get "pwnz0rd."
KV
Did you not read my earlier post?
I did, and responded: You're not in a position to dictate the circumstances, parameters, or terms of a thread that you did not create-- particularly when such things are absent in the opening post.
KV
We're going by in-character-tendencies of Gandalf the White Istari mode against an "alpha" opponent.
And if this were described in the opening post and not just by you, I might agree to the terms and your supported outcome.
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
I did, and responded: You're not in a position to dictate the circumstances, parameters, or terms of a thread that you did not create-- particularly when such things are absent in the opening post.And if this were described in the opening post and not just by you, I might agree to the terms and your supported outcome.
This thread is basically determining who is superior in combat- Gandalf or Voldemort. It's ridiculous not to assume the strongest incarnation of Gandalf in this matter.
Quanchi doesn't specify anything except the two meet in a Hogwarts corridor and will battle to the death. As a result, I can move forward with basic pre-battle assumptions:
A. Voldemort knows Gandalf is a powerful wizard.
B. Gandalf knows Voldemort is a powerful wizard.
And if this were described in the opening post and not just by you, I might agree to the terms and your supported outcome.
Nice to hear!
EDIT: Gandalf's mission is to bring down Voldemort, so he won't be holding back.
KV
This thread is basically determining who is superior in combat- Gandalf or Voldemort. It's ridiculous not to assume the strongest incarnation of Gandalf in this matter.
And we are. The strongest incarnation of Gandalf is as the White Wizard. Gandalf-who-does-not-blind-and-burn-orcs is not a different character or incarnation of Gandalf-who-does.
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A. Voldemort knows Gandalf is a powerful wizard.B. Gandalf knows Voldemort is a powerful wizard.
Gandalf burning the sword of an individual with zero magical defense {Aragon} and expelling a member of his order {Saruman} don't mean that he could replicate either of those feats with Voldemort.
I personally have no problem with Korto's assessment of how Gandalf would take on Voldemort as opposed to Uruk-Hai or a cave troll but what I do have a problem with is Gandalf's tactics in this thread. The light doesn't ever blind anyone nor does he even use it against the Witch King despite it having limited success in at least driving back other Nazgul.
I feel that goes against his character and is being used out of sequence on how Gandalf fights to his advantage.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
I've provided an accurate in-line-with-character version of what the duel between these two would be like, using Gandalf's abilities from the movies, while still having Voldemort acting dynamically. I've proven Gandalf the White's in-character response to "alpha" opponents. Voldy, we know, resorts to Avada Kedavra as his trademark opener and finisher. I'm more than well aware that Voldemort is extremely powerful and versatile, but I haven't seen anything that proves my interpretation wrong. I believe the Shield will hold, and Gandalf will have the seconds he needs to break/burn Voldemort's wand.
Obviously, I disagree.
1. I could easily script a fight that is both in line with Voldy and Gandalf, but makes Gandalf and 10,000 warriors look like nothing compared to Voldy: he casts fiendfyre and consumes all of them...like he did against Dumbledore. Voldemort's pyrokinetics are >>>>>>> Gandalf's by movie feats so Gandalf will not be controlling Voldy's fire anytime soon.
2. Voldy's TK is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gandalf's by a long shot so he just "force pushes Gandalf so hard that he splatters. Also one of the beginning moves he uses against Dumbledore.
3. Voldemort turns to a puff of smoke rendering him completely invulnerable...like he did many times including against Voldemort. He can still cast spells from this state so this is an instant win for him 10/10 times.
4. Voldemort casts one of the dozens/hundreds of spells at his disposal that would net him an instant win such as a disarming spell, transfiguration spell, and so forth.
5. Voldemort cannot lose, no matter what, because of Hocruxes. Lame...but he really can't lose.
5 really good reasons that a normal person would have to conclude if they knew about both sides fairly well.
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
And we are. The strongest incarnation of Gandalf is as the White Wizard. Gandalf-who-does-not-blind-and-burn-orcs is not a different character or incarnation of Gandalf-who-does.Gandalf burning the sword of an individual with zero magical defense {Aragon} and expelling a member of his order {Saruman} don't mean that he could replicate either of those feats with Voldemort.
These are things I've pointed out in other threads but they are consistantly ignored or cast aside as "irrelevent".
To the first part, Maia do not intefere with mortals, direclty, using their powers.
Unless you're a bad guy like Saruman or Sauron...
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
And we are. The strongest incarnation of Gandalf is as the White Wizard. Gandalf-who-does-not-blind-and-burn-orcs is not a different character or incarnation of Gandalf-who-does.
Not a different character, necessarily, but definitely on different levels of demonstrated power. This inconsistency proves my idea of a Normal Version, and Istari Version.
Gandalf burning the sword of an individual with zero magical defense {Aragon} and expelling a member of his order {Saruman} don't mean that he could replicate either of those feats with Voldemort.
Why couldn't he? The pyrokinesis just spontaneously occurs- Voldemort would have no defense against it when it happens; he won't be able to block or Protego it.
He breaks another Istari's (the supposed former head of the Istari, much less) staff...nothing wrong in saying he won't be able to break a piece of wood.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Why couldn't he? The pyrokinesis just spontaneously occurs- Voldemort would have no defense against it when it happens; he won't be able to block or Protego it.
Despite the fact that onscreen feats have Voldemort with the vastly superior PK, you'll still hold the position that Gandalf's PK even aproaches Voldy's prowess?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Obviously, I disagree.1. I could easily script a fight that is both in line with Voldy and Gandalf, but makes Gandalf and 10,000 warriors look like nothing compared to Voldy: he casts fiendfyre and consumes all of them...like he did against Dumbledore. Voldemort's pyrokinetics are >>>>>>> Gandalf's by movie feats so Gandalf will not be controlling Voldy's fire anytime soon.
2. Voldy's TK is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gandalf's by a long shot so he just "force pushes Gandalf so hard that he splatters. Also one of the beginning moves he uses against Dumbledore.
3. Voldemort turns to a puff of smoke rendering him completely invulnerable...like he did many times including against Voldemort. He can still cast spells from this state so this is an instant win for him 10/10 times.
4. Voldemort casts one of the dozens/hundreds of spells at his disposal that would net him an instant win such as a disarming spell, transfiguration spell, and so forth.
5. Voldemort cannot lose, no matter what, because of Hocruxes. Lame...but he really can't lose.
5 really good reasons that a normal person would have to conclude if they knew about both sides fairly well.
Read my later post. Voldemort can do this, but it's completely out-of-his-character.
Avada Kedavra is his trademark, go-to, opening, and finishing spell. He's not a dumb@ss in battle- if he knows Gandalf is a powerful opponent, by respect he will go for the kill. Just like he does against Dumbledore in their fight scene.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am making relevant points by comparing their feats of power whereas you keep screaming the lotr movies are SOOOOOOOOOOOO much better. Gandalf wins, right ? Then you even compared the actors in a versus thread.Witch King is his second in command but also went down against Aragorn armed with a sword and a torch. The guy also lost albeit cheapshot from a pesky Hobbit to a woman. That's not very impressive is all I am saying. Gandalf looked pretty inferior to a guy who has been bested by a long lived human. Just saying.
It isn't in character for Gandalf to even attack first. Based off korto's suggested Gandalf behaviors he sits back and tries to counter which was pretty stupid against the Witch King especially.
No, you're ranting and trying to troll. Stop, k?
His robe was lite on fire so he had to run. Voldermort would have died from being set on fire. That Hobbit's blade was magical, as you see the magical flash when Merry back-stabs him. Voldermort would have died (or been equally incapacitated) from being back-stabbed. So Witch King > Voldermort too, clearly.
CIS is turned off in these threads for obvious reasons. I know you need Gandalf to act like an idiot so your favorite Voldermort can win, but that nonsense won't fly in here. Gandalf is going all out, just as Voldermort; Gandalf wins again.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Despite the fact that onscreen feats have Voldemort with the vastly superior PK, you'll still hold the position that Gandalf's PK even aproaches Voldy's prowess?
(Just wondering...did you see my responses to your previous posts...or are you not 'feeling it' atm to reply [understandable, it's been a long day])
I'm talking about the scene in TTT, when Gandalf spontaneously, without any incantation, causes Aragorn's sword to start burning.
Gandalf can do very much the same thing to a piece of wood.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
(Just wondering...did you see my responses to your previous posts...or are you not 'feeling it' atm to reply [understandable, it's been a long day])I'm talking about the scene in TTT, when Gandalf spontaneously, without any incantation, causes Aragorn's sword to start burning.
Gandalf can do very much the same thing to a piece of wood,
Yes, I've read your other posts.
All them.
The staff busting feat only applies to just that: staffs of other wizards.
Nothing else.
Bringing it to apply to anything other than those of the magical order is not supportable.
It is very specific and only applies to staffs.
If you want to have a thread with Gandalf vs. Saruman, that feat would apply. It doesn't here.
Originally posted by dadudemon
The staff busting feat only applies to just that: staffs of other wizards.Nothing else.
LoL, a magical wand is similar to a magical stave. It's what both wizards either draw their power from (Harry Potter), or use to focus their powers (LoTR).
If Gandalf can shatter a magical stave, he certainly can shatter a smaller magical piece of wood.
If you're going to try and rail-road the feats into the most rediculous extremes, then the death-spell can't kill Gandalf, as it's only been used to kill human-wizards from HP. But let's not derail the thread with this nonsense logic.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, I've read your other posts.All them.
The staff busting feat only applies to just that: staffs of other wizards.
Nothing else.
Bringing it to apply to anything other than those of the magical order is not supportable.
It is very specific and only applies to staffs.
If you want to have a thread with Gandalf vs. Saruman, that feat would apply. It doesn't here.
Wait, if he is able to break a STAFF, why wouldn't he be able to break a WAND?
I don't see why that same power can't be used against a similar magical instrument...
Besides, what about spontaneous combustion of a piece of wood? There's no defense against that.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
It's a physical collision, that's my point. The Balrog is physically holding his weapon, and the physical contact between the shield and the sword caused the obliteration of the blade into molten fragments that are physically falling away (not dissipating into the air).Do you understand my physical point? LOL 😉
You didn't see the iconic verdant beams indicative of the Killing Curse coming from Molly's wand, especially knowing that she wanted to kill Bellatrix?
No. In fact I have no idea where you're going with this. Are you saying the Balrogs sword was physical? Erm, maybe? I mean, its clearly of magical origin (conjured from the ether) and make (Its made of flames), but I still don't know what you're on about. As I said, just because Gandalf shield can block physical things doesn't stop it from being magical. HP shield charms are magical and they stop physical things. But they can't stop the Death Spell.
Basically, Gandalfs shield cannot stop the death spell. His shield is magical in nature and magical shields cannot stop the death spell.
No, I didn't. And nor does green = killing curse.
Originally posted by Robtard
The rule of two. I sense great Vs forum power in you, youngling.How does Kortard sound to you?
The epic Battlezone made my presence known to the MVF.
Seems like everyone wants me as their apprentice (Janus, Gid, and now you); I'm flattered 😮
Haha, I've already made like three pending username changes...none have taken into effect.
I'll be KV for a rather long time.