Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, a magical wand is similar to a magical stave. It's what both wizards either draw their power from (Harry Potter), or use to focus their powers (LoTR).If Gandalf can shatter a magical stave, he certainly can shatter a smaller magical piece of wood.
I think what DDM is saying is that Gandalf kicked Saruman out of the wizards club by breaking his staff. Theres nothing suggesting he can do the same thing to anything else than a another Istari's staff.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I think what DDM is saying is that Gandalf kicked Saruman out of the wizards club by breaking his staff. Theres nothing suggesting he can do the same thing to anything else than a another Istari's staff.
So what? The feat remains that he shattered a magical instrument.
Stave bigger/stronger than a wand. Gandalf can shatter a wand.
LOL, are you suggesting that if he does, in fact, shatter Voldemort's wand, he can also cut his ties to perform magic? Sweet...
Originally posted by Korto Vos
@ NephA lot of Killing Curse blocking occurs here as well.
At no point did I hear a 'Avada Kedavra!'
Originally posted by Nephthys
I think what DDM is saying is that Gandalf kicked Saruman out of the wizards club by breaking his staff. Theres nothing suggesting he can do the same thing to anything else than a another Istari's staff.
LoL, "he can only break a magical Istari staff" is still the same nit-picking nonsense. Stop it. Magical stave is incredibly similar to a magical wand.
Would you argue that Gandalf couldn't heat up a dagger because he only heated up a sword? No, you wouldn't.
Gandalf shatters Voldermort's wand, that easy.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Basically, you're saying that Gandalf demonstrated the ability to kick out Saruman from the Istari and cut his access to magic. And he does this by breaking Saruman's staff.You're saying he won't be able to do this against Voldemort? Why not?
And...Voldemort can wordlessly cast Avada Kedavra.
Because Voldemort is not an Istari. 😐
I know. But unless he actually says it we can't confirm what it is. Being green doesnot equal death spell. There are apparently a ton of spells that are just glowing magic missles judging from the wizards duels in the movies.
Plus if Harry blocked it it wasn't a death spell. It being blocked and not eplicitly stated to be a death spell = not a death spell.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Because Voldemort is not an Istari. 😐I know. But unless he actually says it we can't confirm what it is. Being green doesnot equal death spell. There are apparently a ton of spells that are just glowing magic missles judging from the wizards duels in the movies.
Plus if Harry blocked it it wasn't a death spell. It being blocked and not eplicitly stated to be a death spell = not a death spell.
Because Harry Potter magic is different than Lord of the Rings magic, Killing Curse won't do anything to Gandalf. 😐
Or even better, how about Gandalf is a Maiar, and nothing Voldemort can do can affect him. 😐
Gandalf can break magical weaponry, be it staff, wand, or a hybrid wanff.
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C'mon, considering the obvious context of the duel, and knowing well the color spectrum of the Killing Curse, it's quite clear that HP Wiki was in fact correct in saying Potter was blocking the Death Spell.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Read my later post. Voldemort can do this, but it's completely out-of-his-character.
It is not.
We've seen Voldemort do quite a diverse amount of things at the beginnings of fights.
From death spells, to TK, to PK, to turning into a cloud of smoke.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Avada Kedavra is his trademark, go-to, opening, and finishing spell. He's not a dumb@ss in battle- if he knows Gandalf is a powerful opponent, by respect he will go for the kill. Just like he does against Dumbledore in their fight scene.
And Gandalf has the reflexes to put his staff up and block that.
We've moved on beyond that, imo.
However, since Voldemort can read minds of others, what makes you think that will be his first move?
Gandalf has no defense against Voldemorts magical mind reading abilities. He has 0 training in occlumency.
To top it off, Voldemort doesn't even need his wand to do lots of the TK magic that he pulls off.
Here's Voldemort throwing Harry Potter's wand down (at the very beginning) with his non-wanded hand in an instant: faster than Harry Potter can "trick" turn around and hit Voldemort with something.
No avada kedavra incanted there against Dumbledore, either, BTW.
🙂
So that's 0 for 2 on your ploy about death spells.
Notice that Voldemort can cast magic WHILE the wands are interlocked with each other? He has lightning-kinetics, too...just like Gandalf...except Voldy can conjure up lightning withOUT the help from the sky...he makes it on his own. So Voldy is superior in even lightning TK. 😄
He also uses a massive amount of what I would like to call "shadow TK" to bust up the entire room...withOUT using his wand at around 1:40.
He then, without looking, manipulates every last one of those shards to a specific point. This type of TK acuity is hard to beat in any movie, much less Harry Potter.
Here's Voldemort using Crucio as his first spell at 1:50.
NO traveling spell in his duel against an alpha type of character. It's an instant spell. 🙂
So you're 0 for 3, at this point.
Notice Voldemort's instant reactions and ability to disspell (pun 1000000% fully intended) Harry's disarming spell at 2:07. That's faster than Gandalf's reaction to the fireball spell, by the way. 😉
There's also a problem of Voldemort having Lily Potter's protection spell. 🙂
SO WHAT NOW, SON?
WHHHHAAATTT NOOOWWW?
😆 😆 😆
Will you finally concede that Gandalf stands no change, never stood a chance, and will never stand a chance? (EVAR!)
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Wait, if he is able to break a STAFF, why wouldn't he be able to break a WAND?I don't see why that same power can't be used against a [B]similar magical instrument
...Besides, what about spontaneous combustion of a piece of wood? There's no defense against that. [/B]
By your own admission (implicitly), it can happen only to one of weaker magical ability.
You've also directly admitted that Voldy is more powerful than Gandalf.
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, a magical wand is similar to a magical stave. It's what both wizards either draw their power from (Harry Potter), or use to focus their powers (LoTR).If Gandalf can shatter a magical stave, he certainly can shatter a smaller magical piece of wood.
If you're going to try and rail-road the feats into the most rediculous extremes, then the death-spell can't kill Gandalf, as it's only been used to kill human-wizards from HP. But let's not derail the thread with this nonsense logic.
The only instance we see magic being able to damage a wand in HP is when you are not the wand owner of the Elder Wand and use it.
There's also this which you still haven't gotten after 2 years of MVF poopings:
Originally posted by Nephthys
I think what DDM is saying is that Gandalf kicked Saruman out of the wizards club by breaking his staff. Theres nothing suggesting he can do the same thing to anything else than a another Istari's staff.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Because Harry Potter magic is different than Lord of the Rings magic, Killing Curse won't do anything to Gandalf. 😐Or even better, how about Gandalf is a Maiar, and nothing Voldemort can do can affect him. 😐
Gandalf can break magical weaponry, be it staff, wand, or a hybrid wanff.
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C'mon, considering the obvious context of the duel, and knowing well the color spectrum of the Killing Curse, it's quite clear that HP Wiki was in fact correct in saying Potter was blocking the Death Spell.
Oh, come now, don't be so dramatic. I gave a reason for why this is likely the case: 'Especially considering that Gandalf was still able to use magic without his staff when he fought the Balrog and channelled the lightning into his sword, but by shattering Sarumans staff he took away his ability to use magic.' I'm not saying that Harry Potter magic is different to LotR magic, I'm just saying that Gandalf didn't just 'splode his staff, he kicked him out of the order.
Gideon has already demolished your 'Gandalf is a demi-god' argument. Do you want another taste of the sweet anal sex he gave you last time? I'm sure he would comply.
Oh well, if you say so I guess. I mean, this is your thread.
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No it isn't. You can't block the death spell. And a wiki is not proof. Although 'C'mon' was truly a moving argument. You almost got me there.
Unless this was after Harry gave everyone Loves Protection or something. But even then would it extend to himself?
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Because Harry Potter magic is different than Lord of the Rings magic, Killing Curse won't do anything to Gandalf. 😐Or even better, how about Gandalf is a Maiar, and nothing Voldemort can do can affect him. 😐
Gandalf can break magical weaponry, be it staff, wand, or a hybrid wanff.
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C'mon, considering the obvious context of the duel, and knowing well the color spectrum of the Killing Curse, it's quite clear that HP Wiki was in fact correct in saying Potter was blocking the Death Spell.
Fail.
It is symbolic of Saruman being both weaker AND being kicked out of the order.
It cannot happen to Voldemort because he is neither weaker nor part of the order.
The only two times a staff was shattered was by a more powerful magical LotR being against a weaker one.
Gandalf to Saruman. Witch King to Gandalf.
At no other point does it occur.
There's a vast list of reasons why shattering "stuff" would have been quite useful but it is very much limited ONLY TO STAFFS.
This is much different than TK or PK which obviously applies to anything.
Maia can still use magic after their staff is broken.
They can also reform their staffs as seen by Gandalf who has his staff at the end of RotK.
Voldemort also uses quite a bit of magic WITHOUT HIS WAND.
So your point has failed from the beginning.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
I'll respond to your stuff sometime later...I have to study now for my exam tomorrow... 🙁
I have two exams tomorrow. However, I do not need to study for them because I'm that awesome. Studying is for chumps. estahuh
Originally posted by Korto Vos
C'mon, considering the obvious context of the duel, and knowing well the color spectrum of the Killing Curse, it's quite clear that HP Wiki was in fact correct in saying Potter was blocking the Death Spell.
No, it is not. Multiple spells of Volde's are green.
In fact, it's hard to say that any spell of his is NOT green.
The exception would be the shield busting spell...but I do not remember if that was green or not...so I could be wrong.
Originally posted by RobtardHere's the difference and I want you to take a breather and try to understand what you're trying to argue against isn't my point. A guy flinging around a torch was enough to get the better of the Witch King. A guy flinging a torch in Voldemort's face gets ethered and insanely fast. Voldemort would never have been set on fire in the same situation.
No, you're ranting and trying to troll. Stop, k?His robe was lite on fire so he had to run. Voldermort would have died from being set on fire. That Hobbit's blade was magical, as you see the magical flash when Merry back-stabs him. Voldermort would have died (or been equally incapacitated) from being back-stabbed. So Witch King > Voldermort too, clearly.
CIS is turned off in these threads for obvious reasons. I know you need Gandalf to act like an idiot so your favorite Voldermort can win, but that nonsense won't fly in here. Gandalf is going all out, just as Voldermort; Gandalf wins again.
Voldemort also would have killed the woman not toyed with her. Voldemort doesn't screw around. And once again the woman dies so the hobbit has no opening to run out while she's being toyed with.
No, Voldemort is clearly superior to the Witch King by a country mile. The Witch King was rather unimpressive his only brightspot is making Gandalf look bad.
I have Gandalf acting in character because believe me if it's Voldemort's powers vs. Gandalf's it's even worse for Gandalf in that scenario.
Originally posted by dadudemonThe only instance we see magic being able to damage a wand in HP is when you are not the wand owner of the Elder Wand and use it.
There's also this which you still haven't gotten after 2 years of MVF poopings:
I'm sorry, where there attempts in Harry Potter to magically break a wand? Scenes?
You're selectively deciding now to use movie-feats to the most ridiculous extremes. So tell me, can Gandalf only heat up a long sword, since that's all he did; would a dagger be out of the realm of his ability?
If you answer yes, then apply those same clown-shoe rules to Voldermort's powers. He can only death-spell HP wizards, that's all he's done, so that's it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Here's the difference and I want you to take a breather and try to understand what you're trying to argue against isn't my point. A guy flinging around a torch was enough to get the better of the Witch King. A guy flinging a torch in Voldemort's face gets ethered and insanely fast. Voldemort would never have been set on fire in the same situation.Voldemort also would have killed the woman not toyed with her. Voldemort doesn't screw around. And once again the woman dies so the hobbit has no opening to run out while she's being toyed with.
No, Voldemort is clearly superior to the Witch King by a country mile. The Witch King was rather unimpressive his only brightspot is making Gandalf look bad.
I have Gandalf acting in character because believe me if it's Voldemort's powers vs. Gandalf's it's even worse for Gandalf in that scenario.
What you said didn't counter what I said, you dodged and sputtered nonsense while ignoring facts.
Facts: A torch to Voldermort's robes would ignite him just the same and he'd likely die or be ****ed up from being burned. The Witch King was neither, it just made him flee.
Witchking > Voldermort, he need only scream and Voldermort's wand explodes and he pisses himself in fear. Stop being a dodgy asshat and stop trying to derail the thread with the Witch King, he's not in the fight, lucky for Voldermort.