Voldemort vs. Gandalf the White

Originally posted by Robtard
Which spell? Name it.

No. 😐

Wallow in your ignorance.

If you're not even familiar with the basics of Harry Potter, then you have no place arguing against it. You need to be more neutral until you're not ignorant.

Originally posted by Robtard
Incorrect and another dodge. Very telling and expected, I know your games all to well.

Not incorrect. It's been addressed multiple times be me over the last 2 years.

You ignoring it doesn't make it go away. You obviously don't know jack because no "game" was played by me on this particular point: only you raging.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm using a strawman? LoL. You're the one saying "Gandalf can only destroy a stave because that's all he's done", so I'm not strawmaning, as you said it.

That's another strawman.

I never said, "Gandalf can only destroy a stave because that's all he's done." That's not even contextually correct.

Originally posted by Robtard
Proof:

And your proof contradicts your previous strawman. And that quote barely covers the entirety of my argument. It's just anothe strawman on your part because I've clearly expanded, greatly, upon that very concept.

If the best you can do to argue is use snippits of other poster's quotes...

Originally posted by Robtard
This is nothing more than selective nitpicking screen-feats to the extremes from you.

Incorrect, but it is for you. You want to apply a very specific kind of staff busting to any and all objects. Since I've pointed out how stupid that is, it's just a childish attempt on your part. You don't even know the basic spells of HP dueling, so it's no wonder you'd resort to lame arguments: it's all you've got.

You should probably sit this one out and let the nerds discuss this.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'll ask again, this will be the third time as you've dodged it twice:

-Would heating up a dagger be beyond Gandalf's powers since we only see him heat-up a sword?

"This is a a logical fallacy on your part.

You first have to properly represent my argument with another question before you can start "explaining" why my perspective is wrong.

Until you stop using a lame strawman, there's no point in entertaining these lines of questioning."

Originally posted by dadudemon
No. 😐

Wallow in your ignorance.

If you're not even familiar with the basics of Harry Potter, then you have no place arguing against it. You need to be more neutral until you're not ignorant.

Not incorrect. It's been addressed multiple times be me over the last 2 years.

You ignoring it doesn't make it go away. You obviously don't know jack because no "game" was played by me on this particular point: only you raging.

That's another strawman.

I never said, "Gandalf can only destroy a stave because that's all he's done." That's not even contextually correct.

And your proof contradicts your previous strawman. And that quote barely covers the entirety of my argument. It's just anothe strawman on your part because I've clearly expanded, greatly, upon that very concept.

If the best you can do to argue is use snippits of other poster's quotes...

Incorrect, but it is for you. You want to apply a very specific kind of staff busting to any and all objects. Since I've pointed out how stupid that is, it's just a childish attempt on your part. You don't even know the basic spells of HP dueling, so it's no wonder you'd resort to lame arguments: it's all you've got.

You should probably sit this one out and let the nerds discuss this.

"This is a a logical fallacy on your part.

You first have to properly represent my argument with another question before you can start "explaining" why my perspective is wrong.

Until you stop using a lame strawman, there's no point in entertaining these lines of questioning."

Originally posted by quanchi112
Aragorn was wildly swinging it and the Witch King wasn't alone. Voldemort wouldn't be ever hit but if he was he can easily gesture the fire away. Voldemort is flat out superior to any wizard from the lotr by a country mile in every regard.

Watch the movies, k.

So more nonsense about the Witch King when he's not in this fight and a "Voldermort wins just cos I like him better" rant.

Gandalf casually shatters Voldermort's wand with a word and then laughs at him, that easy.

Originally posted by Korto Vos

Answer Robtard's counterargument.

He can't, but it's only because he's trolling. It's cool.

Everyone here knows Gandalf could shatter any HP wand as easily as he did Sarumon's stave. Arguably easier. It's right there in the film.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
And Harry Potter is such a master in Occlumency? Potter is known to completely suck at Occlumency, and yet he seems to not have any difficulty blocking the spells of Voldemort (the master of Legilimency). And besides, Gandalf has incredible willpower; strong willpower is enough to block Legilimency. Based on the movie fight scenes, it seems Occulumency wasn't even happening in combat.

This is a non-sequitur logical fallacy.

It is a red herring to the actual point.

Harry Potter sucking at occlumency has nothing to do with Gandalf having 0 defense against getting his mind read.

Gandalf does not posses knowledge of both the magical spell required, and the technique employed to protect himself. It takes practice.

This line of discussion will not be entertained, further: it's quite absurd that you even tried to defend Gandalf against something he literally has no defense against.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
😆 You have no idea how badly I owned Quanchi when he kept bringing this up during the Battlezone:

Secondly, that [B]wasn't a combat situation.

And 😆 are you talking about the first spell against Dumbledore? LOL, that was Avada Kedavra. [/B]

It wasn't a combat situation...yet...it was. Dancing around points that have destroyed yours doesn't make it go away.

And, again, this:

"No avada kedavra incanted there against Dumbledore, either, BTW.

So that's 0 for 2 on your ploy about death spells."

So it would appear, thus far, that you are doing nothing, at all, to counter what I brought up. Only ignoring or dancing around points. This is to be expected because you literally could not come up with a counter with those points.

About the reaction: if you choose to say that Voldemort didn't react very fast, then you only hurt your position because Gandalf's reaction to the fireball was slower.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
What are you talking about? He was [B]completely preoccupied firing his Avada Kedavra stream at Dumbledore. [/B]

1. Not an Avada Kedavra.

2. You actually did not ADDRESSS A SINGLE THING IN WHAT YOU QUOTED.

This applies, yet again:

"So it would appear, thus far, that you are doing nothing, at all, to counter what I brought up. Only ignoring or dancing around points. This is to be expected because you literally could not come up with a counter with those points."

Originally posted by Korto Vos
He's HOLDING his wand at 1:40, and using its power to allow him to collect and throw that "shadow magic." There's nothing suggesting he would be able to replicate such a feat without his wand, seeing how [B]wizards/witches can only perform very basic spells wandlessly. And clearly, what he did was NOT basic. [/B]

No, this:

"He also uses a massive amount of what I would like to call "shadow TK" to bust up the entire room...withOUT using his wand at around 1:40."

He already showed using TK without his wand. There's no reason to invoke wand use when he doesn't point his wand.

Is he just supposed to set his wand down while using his TK?

You do know that a Deatheater was seen slowing down the train with his non-wand hand, right?

But, you can go ahead and gimp one side to make you feel better: that will still not result in a victory, by any stretch of the imagination.

It doesn't matter because there's nothing you can deny that will make Voldemort start using his wand when he didn't: deny all you want. The feat stands whether your rage about it or not.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Umm okay, what's your point? He holds up his wand, causing the shards to rise into the air.

Yoda & Sidious's TK > > > Voldemort's TK

This:

No, this:

"He also uses a massive amount of what I would like to call "shadow TK" to bust up the entire room...withOUT using his wand at around 1:40."

He already showed using TK without his wand. There's no reason to invoke wand use when he doesn't point his wand.

Is he just supposed to set his wand down while using his TK?

You do know that a Deatheater was seen slowing down the train with his non-wand hand, right?

But, you can go ahead and gimp one side to make you feel better: that will still not result in a victory, by any stretch of the imagination.

It doesn't matter because there's nothing you can deny that will make Voldemort start using his wand when he didn't: deny all you want. The feat stands whether your rage about it or not."

But, also, not one single person. In fact, not 20 skilled Jedi could replicate that glass feat Voldemort did.

It's thousands of tiny shards of glass being entirely controlled at once. The closest we come to that is Yoda creating a suspension wall to catch falling rocks from Dooku. It doesn't even come close in terms of size of the TK and the complexity involved.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Another Quanchi failure 😆

It would certainly help if you actually replied to the points presented.

That quote had absolutely nothing to do with what I presented.

Try again.

But, if you want me to argue against points I didn't argue against, Harry Potter DID resist the TK bow as he's straining under the force. If he didn't resist, he would fall over.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
I'll add that this was again [B]PRIOR to the actual duel and again NOT a combat situation. Voldemort was trying to get Harry to fight him, and it wasn't until later when Harry emerges from his cover and says, "Fine. Have it your way," do they actually start dueling. And guess what spell Voldemort opens with? You guessed it...Avada Kedavra!

You've provided two unimpressive showings that are not combat situations. And you've provided one showing that has Voldemort actually opening with Avada Kedavra. [/B]

You're trolling, right?

Please tell me you're trolling (you are) because no one is actually that big of an idiot.

You can pretend it wasn't an combat situation and that Voldemort opened with the death spell, but none of that is actually true.

Stop ignoring what was seen on screen.

If Harry Potter wasn't fighting, then why did he cast a spell at Voldemort (you know...the one where Robtard doesn't know what it is)

Technically, Voldemort opened with a forced TK bow. He then cast Crucio.

He didn't use Avada Kedavra until well after their fight began.

That wasn't even a nice try on your part: just more lying and misrepresentation.

You're still 0/3 and no lying will change that on your part.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Oh let's see, another unimpressive showing of Voldemort abusing Harry when Potter is in a compromised position.

Irrelevant to what I actually stated. You do this a lot.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
You know what's faster than this and unable to be blocked by Voldy?

Gandalf's instant pyrokinesis, which spontaneously occurs without any incantation or movement by Gandalf. This translates to zero defense from Voldemort.

You mean the same feat that had both a longer travel time and distance to travel when Gandalf was ready for it (but Voldemort was not ready for Harry Potter to fight back).

Again, nice try, but you're lying is becoming tiresome.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
And considering how unfazed Gandalf (he looked completely unimpressed) was by the fireball spell, it's obvious he was [B]more than ready for it even in that short amount of time.[/B]

Thanks for proving my point that Gandalf was ready for it and Voldemort has faster reflexes.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Gandalf has fought more epic battles than Voldemort, and many of those physically with sword and staff- his reflexes are easily as good, if not better, as Voldemort's.

Epic battles?

Obviously, that's quite subjective.

And, by screen feats, Gandalf is slower.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
I don't know why you are laughing, when you still haven't proven anything countering my interpretation.

A smile is not a laugh.

You didn't do anything to counter what I stated.

Here's what your posting style comprises of:

1. Making fun of the other side with snide comments and belittliing.

2. Lying about screen feats.

3. Ignoring what other's points were.

4. Denying what was clearly seen on screen.

5. Making irrelevant points and counters.

You are a very bad debator. Most of your posts are just simply wrong or irrelevant to the points brought up.

What's worse, you completely ignored that last point I made.

Edit - I would like to say that outside of this dicussion, you're one of my new favorite posters. Don't take my crotchy attitude as anything personal.

This will be hurried because I have to go back to studying 🙁

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because Voldemort is not an Istari and Gandalf can't kick him out of wizard-school.

Also, Gandalf has his staff back at the end:

YouTube video

So either what the Witch King did was not canon, or not the same thing Gandalf did to Saruman.

That doesn't change anything. What literally occurred is Gandalf breaking Saruman's staff, but that in itself is symbolic of Gandalf casting Saruman out of the Istari.

Did he 'shatter' their weapons? He just blocked them with his staff.

Gimli threw an axe at him- Gandalf clearly invoked magic when he swung his staff at the projectile and shattered an axe with a staff. That just doesn't happen normally...

Theres no evidence that he's divine, and no shit he's above other people, hes a goddamn Wizard! That doesn't make him a demi-god, it makes him a wizard. Also Gideon reamed you good.

He completely brushed off:

"Darkness took me......and I strayed out of thought and time. Stars wheeled overhead......and every day was as long as a life age of the Earth. But it was not the end. I felt life in me again. I've been sent back...... until my task is done."

&

"I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the Flame of Anor."

Gandalf was 'killed' but "sent back" by godly powers aka Valar to complete his task of defeating Sauron, "the Dark Lord." Basically, godly powers (Valar) sent Gandalf as their agent to fight the Dark Lord. Ergo, he (especially now as the White Wizard) is depicted as some sort of angel, since angels are the agents of God.

Hence he is divine, and the second quote, along with the rest I've provided earlier, support that obvious statement.

And your argument is 'its green'. Forgive me but the spells 'being green' is not enough evidence to superceed the fact that the spells were being blocked, which is contrary to the fact that the killing curse cannot be blocked. Ergo, they were not death spells. Come back when you actually have soem real proof.

No wiki is an accurate source. If it has proof in the form of citatins then use the proof. Not the wiki page that anyone can edit.

Actually, provide me one quote from the movie where someone says "Avada Kedavra can't be blocked."

All the instances of Avada Kedavra I'm pointing out are in places where the spellcaster is clearly trying to kill the other individual. That is also consistent with the color scheme of the Killing Curse.

Basically, you're still denial.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ah, cool, you're just playing games and trolling. Got it.

No, that's what you're doing.

Originally posted by Robtard
Make claims; don't back them up.

They were backed up in the very same vid we are discussing. You refusing to watch it or even familiarize yourself with the other side speaks to your interests in this discussion: I'll let you fill in what you're doing.

It's odd that Korto Vos knows exactly what I'm talking about and he's going out of his way to ignore what was seen on screen.

So what's your excuse?

Originally posted by Robtard
Say something; then say you didn't say it despite it being quoted. Counter accuse and dodge. All good. Touche'.

If only that were something I said.

Keep in mind, that your posting style in discussions relies almost entirely and strawman arguments:

"I never said, "Gandalf can only destroy a stave because that's all he's done." That's not even contextually correct.

And your proof contradicts your previous strawman. And that quote barely covers the entirety of my argument. It's just another strawman on your part because I've clearly expanded, greatly, upon that very concept."

Yes, it is all good. I wore a condo, so you won't get AIDS this time.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, that's what you're doing.

They were backed up in the very same vid we are discussing. You refusing to watch it or even familiarize yourself with the other side speaks to your interests in this discussion: I'll let you fill in what you're doing.

It's odd that Korto Vos knows exactly what I'm talking about and he's going out of his way to ignore what was seen on screen.

So what's your excuse?

If only that were something I said.

Keep in mind, that your posting style in discussions relies almost entirely and strawman arguments:

"I never said, "Gandalf can only destroy a stave because that's all he's done." That's not even contextually correct.

And your proof contradicts your previous strawman. And that quote barely covers the entirety of my argument. It's just another strawman on your part because I've clearly expanded, greatly, upon that very concept."

Yes, it is all good. I wore a condo, so you won't get AIDS this time.

Dude, the baiting/trolling was fun, but it's out now. I said "touche'" as a compliment.

Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, the baiting/trolling was fun, but it's out now. I said "touche'" as a compliment.

So you're admitting to bating (check the spelling) and trolling me?

No worries: I will not report jack sh*t, even if you post homoerotic Malfoy on Potter pictures. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by dadudemon
So you're admitting to bating (check the spelling) and trolling me?

No worries: I will not report jack sh*t, even if you post homoerotic Malfoy on Potter pictures. 😖hifty:

LoL, more counter-accusing nonsense. Here:

Your momma's so fat, her patronus is a cake.

Originally posted by Robtard
Your momma's so fat, her patronus is a cake.

😆

Nice.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is a non-sequitur logical fallacy.

It is a red herring to the actual point.

Harry Potter sucking at occlumency has nothing to do with Gandalf having 0 defense against getting his mind read.

Gandalf does not posses knowledge of both the magical spell required, and the technique employed to protect himself. It takes practice.

This line of discussion will not be entertained, further: it's quite absurd that you even tried to defend Gandalf against something he literally has no defense against.

Yes. It. Does.

You're saying that because Gandalf doesn't know Occlumency, he will lose to Voldemort because the Dark Wizard can use Legilimency to win.

Yet, Harry Potter, who is depicted at failing Occlumency, holds his own against one of the best Legilimency practitioners of all time. The is only possible because of his sheer willpower.

And Gandalf is bursting with willpower.

Sure, this line of discussion doesn't need to be entertained because it plays no factor in this duel, as it short as it will be.

It wasn't a combat situation...yet...it was. Dancing around points that have destroyed yours doesn't make it go away.

And, again, this:

"No avada kedavra incanted there against Dumbledore, either, BTW.

So that's 0 for 2 on your ploy about death spells."

Voldemort disarming Harry is a "combat situation"?! -.- WTF?

Considering Voldemort's favoritism to the Killing Curse, the spell's semblance to the physical nature of Avada Kedavra, and Voldemort's opponent (Dumbledore), yes, as a matter, it is Avada Kedavra.

So it would appear, thus far, that you are doing nothing, at all, to counter what I brought up. Only ignoring or dancing around points. This is to be expected because you literally could not come up with a counter with those points.

If you insist.

About the reaction: if you choose to say that Voldemort didn't react very fast, then you only hurt your position because Gandalf's reaction to the fireball was slower.

Except, you see, it doesn't.

Watch that clip again. Even for as easy as it was for Voldy, he still had to snarl and throw down his arm with pace, both of which indicate some exertion. But uhh...Gandalf just stood still and emerged from the smoke completely unfazed and unimpressed.

1. Not an Avada Kedavra.

2. You actually did not ADDRESSS A SINGLE THING IN WHAT YOU QUOTED.

This applies, yet again:

"So it would appear, thus far, that you are doing nothing, at all, to counter what I brought up. Only ignoring or dancing around points. This is to be expected because you literally could not come up with a counter with those points."

1. Yes, an Avada Kedavra.

Sweet boss, whatever you wanna say!

No, this:

"He also uses a massive amount of what I would like to call "shadow TK" to bust up the entire room...withOUT using his wand at around 1:40."

He already showed using TK without his wand. There's no reason to invoke wand use when he doesn't point his wand.

Is he just supposed to set his wand down while using his TK?

You do know that a Deatheater was seen slowing down the train with his non-wand hand, right?

But, you can go ahead and gimp one side to make you feel better: that will still not result in a victory, by any stretch of the imagination.

It doesn't matter because there's nothing you can deny that will make Voldemort start using his wand when he didn't: deny all you want. The feat stands whether your rage about it or not.

Are you a pro at dodgeball? Because I see a rather impressive evasion of all my earlier points here. 🙂

Once again, wizards are limited to basic spells without their wands. But, in all of the instances you have provided, the spellcasters still hold their wands and therefore are still drawing upon the instrument's magic conduit to produce those actions.

But, also, not one single person. In fact, not 20 skilled Jedi could replicate that glass feat Voldemort did.

It's thousands of tiny shards of glass being entirely controlled at once. The closest we come to that is Yoda creating a suspension wall to catch falling rocks from Dooku. It doesn't even come close in terms of size of the TK and the complexity involved.

Eh? Yoda vs. Sidious

2:40 onward...

It would certainly help if you actually replied to the points presented.

That quote had absolutely nothing to do with what I presented.

Try again.

But, if you want me to argue against points I didn't argue against, Harry Potter DID resist the TK bow as he's straining under the force. If he didn't resist, he would fall over.

You were touting the TK blow there, and I was countering how it was extremely unimpressive.

And oh yeah, not a combat situation.

You're trolling, right?

Please tell me you're trolling (you are) because no one is actually that big of an idiot.

You can pretend it wasn't an combat situation and that Voldemort opened with the death spell, but none of that is actually true.

Stop ignoring what was seen on screen.

If Harry Potter wasn't fighting, then why did he cast a spell at Voldemort (you know...the one where Robtard doesn't know what it is)

Technically, Voldemort opened with a forced TK bow. He then cast Crucio.

He didn't use Avada Kedavra until well after their fight began.

That wasn't even a nice try on your part: just more lying and misrepresentation.

You're still 0/3 and no lying will change that on your part.

Completely wrong.

This is just sad because even Voldemort in the film is trying to get Potter to stand up to him like a man and engage him in a proper 1v1 wizarding duel, where two combatants who are ready stand and face each other a slight distance apart. And that occurs at 3:10 in the video.

Seems all you like to do is call anyone who disagrees with you a "liar." Pathetic.

Irrelevant to what I actually stated. You do this a lot.

You mean the same feat that had both a longer travel time and distance to travel when Gandalf was ready for it (but Voldemort was not ready for Harry Potter to fight back).

Again, nice try, but you're lying is becoming tiresome.

Another wrong statement. You do this a lot.

Gandalf's pyrokinesis was instant and spontaneous and required no movement from his staff, unlike Saruman's.

Saruman's spell was a fireball. Gandalf's ability is instant pyrokinesis. Learn the difference.

Thanks for proving my point that Gandalf was ready for it and Voldemort has faster reflexes.

This is probably the dumbest thing you've said.

Epic battles?

Obviously, that's quite subjective.

True, it is subjective.

Though battles in the Chamber of Mazarbul, against Balrog, and at Helms Deep, Pelennor Fields, and Morannon were quite large-scale, eye-popping, and thoroughly impressive 😛

And, by screen feats, Gandalf is slower.

He reacted quite quickly against Aragorn and company in the Fangorn Forest.

A smile is not a laugh.

My bad!

You didn't do anything to counter what I stated.

Here's what your posting style comprises of:

1. Making fun of the other side with snide comments and belittliing.

You started this. And you do it to a greater degree than me.

2. Lying about screen feats.

Gimme a break. GTFO if you can't handle people disagreeing with you.

3. Ignoring what other's points were.

I addressed all your points. You are too busy are either ignoring them yourself or just simply calling them "lies."

4. Denying what was clearly seen on screen.

5. Making irrelevant points and counters.

No...I don't do that.

You are a very bad debator. Most of your posts are just simply wrong or irrelevant to the points brought up.

What's worse, you completely ignored that last point I made.

Sure, if you insist. I find it rather shallow and classless of you to say that. If you can't handle disagreement, stop calling posts as "lies" and don't debate.

Edit - I would like to say that outside of this dicussion, you're one of my new favorite posters. Don't take my crotchy attitude as anything personal.

😈 I won't!

Originally posted by dadudemon

It's odd that Korto Vos knows exactly what I'm talking about and he's going out of his way to ignore what was seen on screen.

Anyone familiar to how I debate knows I don't do that. If there is a disagreement, it is because I interpret what was seen in a different light.

True.

Thanks Neph 🙂

Anyway, I have a tennis match to go to now. And then hitting the books for math, ughh.

I'll respond to this thread tom night then!

Originally posted by Korto Vos
That doesn't change anything. What literally occurred is Gandalf breaking Saruman's staff, but that in itself is symbolic of Gandalf casting Saruman out of the Istari.

It was not just symbolic, as I explained previously.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Gimli threw an axe at him- Gandalf clearly invoked magic when he swung his staff at the projectile and shattered an axe with a staff. That just doesn't happen normally...

Well since that Blinding Light you harp on was blocking the way we do not actually see what Gandalf does very clearly. He could of just of shattered the wooden handle.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
He completely brushed off:

"Darkness took me......and I strayed out of thought and time. Stars wheeled overhead......and every day was as long as a life age of the Earth. But it was not the end. I felt life in me again.[B] I've been sent back...... until my task is done."

&

"I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the Flame of Anor."[/b]

No, he addressed them. He just interpreted them in a different light than you did. 😉

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Gandalf was 'killed' but "sent back" by godly powers aka Valar to complete his task of defeating Sauron, "the Dark Lord." Basically, godly powers (Valar) sent Gandalf as their agent to fight the Dark Lord. Ergo, he (especially now as the White Wizard) is depicted as some sort of angel, since angels are the agents of God.

Incorrect. You are assigning christian meaning upon a work of fiction, assuming that they function the same way. That Gandalf was ressurrected by a higher power does not make him a demi-god in any way.

As an aside, what are you trying to accomplish by saying that Gandalf is a demi-god? Are you suggesting that therefore he would be immune to the death spell? Because that is.... complete bullshit. 😬

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Hence he is divine, and the second quote, along with the rest I've provided earlier, support that obvious statement.

No, he is a puppet of a divine force. That is not the same as being divine in and of itself.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Actually, provide me one quote from the movie where someone says "Avada Kedavra can't be blocked."

All the instances of Avada Kedavra I'm pointing out are in places where the spellcaster is clearly trying to kill the other individual. That is also consistent with the color scheme of the Killing Curse.

Basically, you're still denial.

😐

Seriously? The death spells unblockability is its main feature. You're own wiki page points that out in the very sentence you yourself posted.

They're clearly trying to kill their opponent..... so they must be using the killing curse? Lol, what?

Well I'm.... denying you, yes. Because you're wrong.

Gandalf's a Maiar, but Avada Kedavra is blockable? Neither are explicitly stated, but are canonical fact in the relative universes. Blatantly discarding something "cuz the movies don't say so in a clear manner" is f*cking retarded.

Originally posted by Robtard
So more nonsense about the Witch King when he's not in this fight and a "Voldermort wins just cos I like him better" rant.

Gandalf casually shatters Voldermort's wand with a word and then laughs at him, that easy.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
This is so stupid. If Aragorn ambushed Voldemort and put a torch to his face, he would get burned alive and die.

Quit bringing in the Witch King and "a man with a torch." You're hurting your side.

2:30 Watch for the lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HclmKxgU9ps

Also the Avada Kedavra is always spoken in the movies when it's used. Every single time. Korto is just making things up again saying otherwise and there's no proof to his unsupported claims just like his demi god or maiar rants.

Voldemort doesn't even need to kill him to take him out. Immobulus is a fast-moving pulsating wave that would freeze him place. The Full Body Bind doesn't have a beam or blast that can be "blocked" by anything Gandalf possesses. Not even his uber powerful super sword that can block a Killing Curse "for some reason". Even if Gandalf managed to intercept a Killing Curse with Galmdring, it's going to be destroyed in the process. A second later, he's defenseless and has been hit by another spell--probably another Killing Curse.

There is literally no way for Gandalf, or anyone on the LotR movies to defeat Voldemort (or most competent HP wizards) without severely handicapping the wizard first.

Dammit, my match got cancelled! Ah well...

Originally posted by Nephthys
It was not just symbolic, as I explained previously.

Explain it to me again. I'm sorry if I'm stupid.

BTWWWW...watch this:

Gandalf escapes from Orthanc

Do you see it?

Gandalf doesn't have his staff when he leaves Isengard; his staff is still in Saruman's possession...

Well since that Blinding Light you harp on was blocking the way we do not actually see what Gandalf does very clearly. He could of just of shattered the wooden handle.

Here is an image of Gimli's throwing axe:

As you can see, it's not at all just a piece of wood with an iron head. The haft is reinforced with metal and appears very sturdy.

Even physically shattering a strong wooden handle with a staff is impressive, but against that type of material? It seems evident to me that magic came into play there.

No, he addressed them. He just interpreted them in a different light than you did. 😉

Clever Girl

Incorrect. You are assigning christian meaning upon a work of fiction, assuming that they function the same way. That Gandalf was ressurrected by a higher power does not make him a demi-god in any way.

Tolkien was Christian. And interestingly, on the Wikipedia page for Gandalf, under Concept and Creation, it states:

Gandalf's role and importance was substantially increased in the conception of The Lord of the Rings, and in a letter of 1954, Tolkien refers to Gandalf as an "angel incarnate".[12] In the same letter Tolkien states he was given the form of an old man in order to limit his powers on Earth. Both in 1965 and 1971 Tolkien again refers to Gandalf as an angelic being.[13][14]

I tried clicking on the citations, but they lead to unlinkable Letters.

Nevertheless, I searched on the web, and found multiple sites having Tolkien say, "I venture to say that he [Gandalf] was an angel incarnate."

As an aside, what are you trying to accomplish by saying that Gandalf is a demi-god? Are you suggesting that therefore he would be immune to the death spell? Because that is.... complete bullshit. 😬

No...the whole Voldemort is automatically more powerful than Gandalf (even though this thread's purpose is to determine that) and therefore Gandalf can't shatter his wand argument.

If that's really to be used as an actual defense, I'll counter with "Gandalf is a divine, angelic figure who is above mankind, and therefore is automatically more powerful than Voldy (a mere human being), and hence can break his stick. "

No, he is a puppet of a divine force. That is not the same as being divine in and of itself.

Must be some divine, powerful puppet if the godly forces are trusting him to fight against the "Dark Lord."

😐

Seriously? The death spells unblockability is its main feature. You're own wiki page points that out in the very sentence you yourself posted.

I am dead serious. The Wiki pages rely on the book and other written source material.

However, what I pulled out was a Behind the Scenes comment on how the Killing Curse was blocked in the films. And sure enough, you have clips of Bellatrix and Harry blocking spells that are jets of greenish-blue light from two murder-enraged individuals (Molly and Voldemort), which led to that obvious conclusion on the Wiki page.

Ergo, since this the MVF, find me something from the films that states Avada Kedavra is unblockable.

They're clearly trying to kill their opponent..... so they must be using the killing curse? Lol, what?

Well I'm.... denying you, yes. Because you're wrong.

You're forgetting that their spells also physically resemble Avada Kedavra.

Slowly, you will realize I have been correct all along 🙂