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Originally posted by dadudemon
Unfortunately for you, you fell directly into a trap: Harry Potter has absurd will power, as well. He resisted the imperius curse when cast upon him. Impero is not the same as legilmens, however.Harry Potter LATER gained the ability to use Occlumency against Voldemort through using strong emotions (his own version of Occlumency).
In other words, you just proved my point. Not only does Gandalf lack the knowledge of it, he doesn't know the magic to repel it, either.
Gandalf has amazing willpower. He fought a Balrog at terminal velocity in free-fall, survived splashdown, battled the demon from the underground ocean all the way up the Endless Stair, and then concluded with 36 hours of non-stop fighting against Durin's Bane on Zirakzigil's peak. He never at once sought or desired the Ring of Power, even though the One Ring tempted him and probably continued to tempt him (as it did with the others, but especially him because he was almost as powerful as Sauron himself) during his time with the Fellowship.
And where is your evidence that Voldemort is doing Occlumency on Potter? I don't recall any mind invasions by Voldy during battle.
And I explained why, already. No amount of strawmanning that point will dimish it, either.
Quit trying to dodge the argument by just throwing down random logical fallacies when you think it's convenient. Basically, you concede that it wasn't a combat situation.
As fact, it is not. It wasn't spoken. He embued it with lightning.Seems it was something else. 🙂
This is also something that I will not entertain any longer: deal with it not be the killing curse. 🙂
Quit making stuff up. That was Avada Kedavra.
Besides Harry, after being hit by Avada Kedavra, had a "lightning" scar? 😉
Go ahead, don't entertain it. You've been proven wrong.
Watch the clip again: it occured quite quickly. Not ony did he block the spell from Harry, he reversed it back on Harry. This all occured in a much smaller time span than the fireball from Saruman to Gandalf AND before Gandalf could negate the fireball into nothing.By feats, Voldemort is faster and more efficient with his magic reversal.
Deal with it. 🙂
What are you talking about??? The sequence of scenes before Voldemort vs. Dumbledore, correct? Regardless, it was probably an unimpressive non-combat showing of Voldemort.
Gandalf is faster than Voldemort. And Voldemort has no defense against automatic wand combustion or explosion.
You had to have to actually made a point for me to address them. You dodged MY points, not the othe way around. I pointed it out, as well. You can't simply reply with "no u" comments.And you say Wizards are limited to basic spells without their wands.
Define that.
TK is not basic.
Transmutation is not basic.
Engorgio is not basic.
Yet, you say they are basic.
Keep in mind that the wands themselves simply channel the magic of the wielder.
You say he used his wand to do that TK, I say he has the TK feats to prove otherwise. Obviously, I'm right and your interpretation is wrong (I'm not joking or making a snide comment, either). What more proof do you need that he has the wandless TK ability to do that than when he tossed aside the dead giant in Deathly Hallows, part 2?
What more do you need than the Death Eater standing on the train tracks and stopping a moving train with his hand? Surely you recognize that his subordinate is weaker than he is in TK? Else he be the subordinate?
Voldemort loves his TK, that's clear.
He has far more uses of TK than he does the killing curse. So you should amend your position of the killing curse as being his first move. More likely, he'll use TK.
Sure, he enjoys employing TK. But majority of his combat/dueling appearances have him opening with Avada Kedavra (which he favors and easily does as much as his random TK feats); ergo, my interpretation hasn't been refuted.
Wrong: I pointed out Voldemort's MO to you and you went off on a tangent abou Quanchi and forcing HP to take a bow. It was irrelevant to the actual point I made.Go back and re-read it.
To it not being a combat situation, you're wrong:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/combat
"To oppose in battle; fight against."
Did Harry Potter oppose Voldemort or fight against him?
Yes, yes he did. Boom, combat situation.
Now stop playing games.
I'll just do what you replied with: no u.
It was a combat situation. One-sided, but it was combat.
Deal with it.
You mad because you were wrong about Voldemort's MO? Does that destroy the only strand you were grasping for why Gandalf would win?
That's probably it because there's no reason to support a case for why Voldemort would come out of the gate with a killing curse: there's literally dozens of other ways Voldemort can kill Gandalf. So it would seem you think you have some sort of good case against Voldemort (you don't...it's actually sad) in favor of Gandalf.
But, by your definition, that was a combat situation. So, you just shot yourself in the foot there, sir! WEEE!
Would you call an ambush in the middle of the night a combat situation (don't answer...because it is a combat situation, even if none of the other side puts up much of a resistance...just ask you brothers in the military)
So you've basically started saying to me what I've been saying to you?
Again, you have to do better than "no u".
I'm sorry you had to waste all those minutes of your life typing these wrong statements.
* Voldemort vs. Harry in Little Hangleton graveyard. When both of them are ready to fight, and Harry is ready to stand-up and face Voldemort like a man in a proper duel, Voldemort opens with Avada Kedavra.
* Voldemort vs. Dumbledore in the Ministry of Magic Atrium. Voldemort opens with Avada Kedavra. [This is key! Against the strongest wizard of all time, Voldemort opens with his trademark spell. He knows the danger Dumbledore poses, and he aims to end the fight by overpowering the Headmaster's spell with the Killing Curse that would have finished the duel if it connected. Likewise, against Gandalf, he won't hold back and will for go Avada Kedavra]
* Voldemort vs Harry Potter P1 (when Harry runs away) - Voldemort opens with Incendio.
* Voldemort vs Harry Potter P2 (inside Hogwarts)- Voldemort opens with Avada Kedavra
* Voldemort vs Harry Potter P3 (on the platforms) - Voldemort opens with Avada Kedavra
* Voldemort vs Harry Potter P4 (on the courtyard) - Voldemort opens with Avada Kedavra
As you can see, the vast majority of time, Voldemort starts with the Killing Curse.
Watch, I can post like you:No it wasn't instant and it most certainly was not spontaneous.
In fact, what happened:
The fireball was meant to hit gandalf and explode into that swirling fireball and then consume Gandalf. Gandalf reacted at the very last moment before the flames actually touched him and his horse, and put up a defensive shield. Gandalf was almost overwhelming, in the beginning (even his comrades were scared), but he slowly gained control of the swirling flames and extinguished them.
Gandalf's ability there was shielding himself from a fireball and having very slow and cumbersome PK.
So, what now?
That's what you wrote ^. Here's what I wrote prior:
Gandalf's pyrokinesis was instant and spontaneous and required no movement from his staff, unlike Saruman's.
Saruman's spell was a fireball. Gandalf's ability is instant pyrokinesis. Learn the difference.
You just wrote...BS. I'll take that as another concession.
You can have your fun with jabs and insults and whatever you feel like spewing at me if you think it improves your argument...but at least counter properly.
1. I'm not a classy person. I have quite the potty mouth and have a strong disdain for pomp and many societal norms. This is why I fart where-ever I want to.
Huh, all right.
I agree with that statement, btw.I honestly thing Aragorn with a torch and a sword is more powerful of a combatant than Gandalf.
...Tell me you're joking, right? Please tell me you're joking.
Y'know, the pyrokinesis feat comes from a scene where Gandalf causes Aragorn's sword to burn and forces the ranger to drop it, rendering him weaponless.
Fail.
Keep in mind that everyone thinks Gandalf can shatter wands. There's no evidence for this. I would agree IF and only if Gandalf was more powerful of a wizard than Voldemort, but by feats, Gandalf doesn't even come close to Voldemort.
Backwards reasoning as its finest. Besides, Gandalf is an angelic being- he's beyond man, and ergo beyond Voldemort. He has no difficulty shattering his stick. Or burning it.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
So do I. Regular 'ol Aragorn routed a group of Nazgul, the Witch King included, with a sword and a torch. For some reason, Gandalf forgot he could do magic and failed to send a fireball the Witch King's way when he landed before him. Or any Orc's way, for that matter. Gandalf sucks in combat. Except in the games. Video-game Gandalf kicks ass.
No...after Gwaihir rescued him from Orthanc, Gandalf went to Weathertop and fought all nine Nazgul for an entire night and ultimately battled them to a draw. Jackson's Witch-King vs. Gandalf is CIS, and the only possible rationale behind is the Witch-King had Sauron's power beefing him up.
As dreadful as Bakshi's adaptation was, this scene was done right:
Gandalf vs. Witch-King (aka Skeletor)