Originally posted by Nephthys
Its not as bad as the 'Gandalf can't die because he's an Isari' angle.
Gandalf's physical body can die, as we've seen and that would be a win in an MVF fight.
I understand though, Voldermort-boys have no other angle of retort except crying "horcruxes! horcruxes!!!!11!" now.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Fireball does not equal = a magical spellin the context that we are discussing. I want a magical spell, not a fireball.
Sure, it's magic...but it's not what we are talking about.
To me, that's the same thing as casting a butterfly spell where the only thing that comes out of the wand is butterflies: that's not what we're talking about.
No...if the fireball happened to be green by chance, you would be bringing this up repeatedly.
Wow.This time, you've gone too far.
There's two angles showing that that shadow magic is NOT coming from his wand, but his hands.
Like I said, you've gone too far with this lying crap. I've reported you for trolling. This has to stop. You need to stop trolling.
😆
WTF? Do you NOT know what a wand does? It channels a wizard's/witch's magical powers and spells are performed with the aid of the wand.
Look at the screenshot at 1:35 in the Voldemort vs Dumbledore video, and you see the outreach of Voldemort's wand arm, and the wand being pointed towards Dumbledore when the "shadow spell" is released.
Voldemort would never be able to conjure that spell with his bare hands. The film makes it explicitly clear that his wand is bestowing him that power.
You reported me now? Wow, you're a sore loser. If you can't handle someone proving you wrong, and have to resort to bringing in mods to punish your opponent, you just lost all respect from me. Gimme a break, GTFO of this thread if you can't handle someone disagreeing with you. What a joke...you have acted extremely rude and behaved very disgracefully towards me, and yet even I won't go down to your level and report you for "trolling." Learn when to use the word before you start throwing it around like an idiot.
Yes, to all of the above and then some. Because you left off quite a few form that list.Here's the problem: you'd have to prove it for Voldemort and not anyone else.
Magical spells do not suddenly change colors or forms from person to person. All those spells are not jets/bolts of greenish-blue energy and they don't kill an individual upon contact.
And why don't you trace the origin of this line of debate? You started with a rather ridiculous post of various spells that could have caused a bird to stop moving and fall to the earth, even though you see the green flash of Avada Kedavra. None of those spells above have that appearance or effect.
No.We've been over this, already. It's an irrelevant argument, to begin with. It's a waste of time. It's a red herring. It does nothing for your side. And you're just trolling.
On the contrary, you simply failed to prove me wrong. And out of frustration of having your points proven wrong, you've decided to randomly report me to mods for trolling despite everyone else knowing the type of person I am is completely opposite to that of a troll.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Wrong.This:
"Occlumency, Potter. The magical defense of the mind against external penetration. An obscure branch of magic, but a highly useful one"
and this:
"It appears there’s a connection…
…between the Dark Lord’s mind
and your own.Whether he is, as yet, aware of this
connection is, for the moment, unclear.Pray he remains ignorant.
You mean, if he knows about it, then…
…he’ll be able to read my mind?
- Read it, control it……unhinge it.
In the past, it was often
the Dark Lord’s pleasure……to invade the minds of his victims…
…creating visions designed
to torture them into madness.Only after extracting the last exquisite
ounce of agony……only when he had them literally
begging for death, would he finally……kill them.
Used properly,
the power of Occlumency……will help shield you
from access or influence.In these lessons, I will attempt
to penetrate your mind.You will attempt to resist.
Prepare yourself.
Legilimens.
Concentrate, Potter. Focus."
I have reported you for trolling again. I warned you. That's twice now that you have deliberately lied.
Y'know, I find it rather funny how you are flip-flopping over this line of thought. And one point, you are arguing it, and later down, you are conceding it. 😆
And I don't understand what that movie quote is accomplishing. OOTP makes it explicitly clear that willpower is enough to resist mind invasions. Harry doesn't do anything magical to block Voldemort's Legilimency.
Go ahead and keep reporting me.
1. Do you realize I find it rather sad of you report me?
2. Do you realize I did nothing wrong?
3. Do you realize that your reporting won't make me back down?
No. You know he did it. You saw the same videos and movies I did. I already described how he did it, as well, in previous posts. You even acknowledge it in the very next section. Stop trolling and stop talking in circles. This is why I requote stuff to you quite often.
Answer the question. Where does Voldemort use Legilimency against Dumbledore?
Additionally, Harry fought back. Stop lying.I already reported your post for this type of trolling, so I can't report it again...but this is the second time in this post, alone, that you've deliberately trolled: Harry was not defenseless: he had a wand and he used it.
Umm....again, it was against a completely defenseless individual who he wasn't fighting.
Harry was spectating when his mind was invaded. He wasn't across from Voldemort, wand at the ready, ready to fight, when the first thing that happens is Voldemort uses Occlumency. I'm sorry if you don't understand that.
Stop trolling
How is CIS/PIS turned off in MVF debates have anything to do with what I said?
That's my line and why you are getting previous posts: you're arguing in circles.Here's what you're doing:
Me: A.
You: B.
Me: A because P.
You: B because I said so.
Me: Okay...but still "A because P.
You: Still be because I said so.
Me: facepalmIf you don't want the same exact replies given to you, actually move on and stop recycling the same exact arguments.
"RAWR! OCCLUMENCY IS NOT MAGIC! RAWR!!! VOLDEMORT OPENS WITH DEATH SPELLS!"
Those arguments have been thoroughly defeated or shown to be irrelevant.
Shakes head
Wow, basically you admit to just repeating yourself and dodging once a point of yours has been trounced.
I have a strong urge to report you for such behavior, but I'm not going to.
And quit lying- I never said "Occlumency is not magic."
Voldemort opens with Avada Kedavra.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I guess you missed the part where whatever you say after that point, it is moot/irrelevant/wrong UNLESS it says, "Yeah, I guess you're right: there's no way I can prove that to be an AK spell".Guess what? The same exact reply to everything you typed out is STILL the same. Nothing changes just because you type a bunch of words (which were mostly irrelevant, by the way) to what I had stated. There is nothing more that can be said about that point after what I said. If you bring it up and try to pass it off as AK, you get the same exact argument.
No...despite my many attempts to demonstrate to you that these spells are physically indicative of Avada Kedavra (and ARE the Killing Curse) and are in-character tendencies of Voldemort, you completely brush them aside.
Woah...A poster of my character? What character? You mean a smartass pervert with very little class? That character?
So? 😬
But, to everything else your said: your frustration more than proves that you are finally getting it: don't talk in circles. If you bring up the SAME EXACT arguments and present them the same way, YOU WILL GET THE SAME EXACT ARGUMENTS.
That's a fairly simple formula. Instead of me humoring your trolling (trolls try to force people into arguing about the same things over and over and get frustrated), I will diffuse you. I've taken away your bombs, so now you're getting frustrated. That's how you take care of trolls. 🙂
"Diffuse me...taken away [my] bombs"
By what? Reporting me for trolling?
Huh..."trolls try to force people into arguing about the same things over and over"
Wow, sounds like you are describing yourself.
You should not be wondering: your interpretation of events is wrong. Mine are right.You make stuff up about "instant" and "already ready", but that's simply not true.
So anything you say after that which re-iterates those same points WOULD HAVE THE SAME EXACT REPLY FROM ME.
Is it clicking yet? I hope so.
What clicked to me is that you will simply not answer any counterarguments that have proven yours wrong.
It makes perfect sense.The woods scene is irrelevant. That's another red herring on your part.
Spell for spell. Apples to apples. Keep it that way.
Once more because you didn't get it the first time:
Voldemort's reaction is far faster than ANYTHING Gandalf has done because he not only reacted to Harry Potter's quick attack at point blank range, he had enough reaction to repell back onto to Harry, instantly, which is another spell. So he reacted to it, blocked it, and repelled it with magic in a shorter period of time than the fireball even traveled to Gandalf.
There's no need to move on to the woods scene if you haven't gotten over that: the woods scene is not as good of a feat of reaction as countering magic with magic.
Now, no more. Don't bring this up again or I'll just requote myself.
Now, no more. Don't bring this up again or I'll just requote myself.
Lovely, there really is no point of me debating with you, is there?
You'll simply dodge when you have to, and when confronted about it, will admit to the dodging.
I rather spend my time debating with others who can actually try and prove my interpretation wrong, instead of just repeating stuff over and over again (like a "troll," as you describe it).
You ignored that I addressed it. AK is not his first spell. I proved that wrong, quite thoroughly.If you bring it up again, I will simply copy and paste the counter arguments for why your argument fails.
Regardless, it's an irrelevant argument, anyway, as I have pointed out. There's no reason to even be arguing it.
It's an extremely relevant argument as it determines the outcome of this match.
If it was in-character of Voldemort to Apparate instantly at the start of a duel, or use the Imperius Curse, then my interpretation would be completely different.
However, the majority of times, in a combat situation, Voldemort is blasting a greenish-blue jet/bolt of energy (that is Avada Kedavra)
Indeed. I would even go as far as to say that Friendship........
