Originally posted by quanchi112
Achilles moved the entire fight so him moving changes things as you freely admit. Not even breaking your skin isn't almost killing anyone. Achilles was surprised that even happened since no one even touched his armor prior to. That's not close to being beaten that's close to touching skin. LOL.Yes, and he lets him up. He didn't have to give him time it's a fight to the death be aware of your surroundings.
Achilles won't toss his shield here. Achilles will kill Vader.
A sword coming within an inch of your throat because you moved away at the last second is a near-death experience, clowny. Yeah, thanks for repeating what I said about Achilles' look. Good job, you can parrot me.
So you agree that the rock downed Hector. About time.
Achilles' shield isn't saving him here, Vader's better, faster, stronger, more agile and battle-procog, he wins easily.
Originally posted by Robtard
Achilles' shield isn't saving him here, Vader's [1]better, [2]faster, [3]stronger, [4]more agile and [5]battle-procog, he wins easily.
1. Vader is definitely better.
2. He is definitely not stronger. In fact, this is one area in which Vader is grossly outpaced. Achilles is well into the superhuman level. The spear thrown weighed anywhere from 2-6 pounds (looks to be higher end because of the spear head and how much taller it was than Achilles. The olympic athletes throw an 800 gram spear...which is about a pound). He didn't get a running start like the olympic athletes do (a couple of hop steps), didn't throw it at an exaggerated curved arch, and still managed to throw it further than any olympic athlete has thrown the Javelin. It also had a travel time of right under 6 seconds (the world record throw from Hohn). That's 3 times longer than the Achilles throw. After seeing a better video of that throw, it is fairly definitive that the distance is between 150-220 yard (or, at most, 200 meters). That's about 100 meters a second, 224 mph, about 360 km/h. Meaning, my original estimate of 200-400 kmh was pretty damn spot on (pats self on back again). That's still not enough to overwhelm Anakin's battle precog, though. 😄
3. Vader is definitely more agile. Vader has Achilles beat in this area as much as Achilles has Vader beat in strength.
4.I would say his battle-precog, due to blaster bolt blocking and jumping from flying cars, is much better. Another easy area to win for Anakin.
5. Vader does win easily.
Conclusion: Anakin wins...easily.
The only area that Achilles has on Anakin is outweighed by Anakin's far superior agility.
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Does Anakin's mastery of Djem So and Jedi fight arts trump Achilles fighting arts?
Those words have no meaning in the MVF: they are EU only terms.
Originally posted by dadudemon
2. He is definitely not stronger. In fact, this is one area in which Vader is grossly outpaced. Achilles is well into the superhuman level. The spear thrown weighed anywhere from 2-6 pounds (looks to be higher end because of the spear head and how much taller it was than Achilles. The olympic athletes throw an 800 gram spear...which is about a pound). He didn't get a running start like the olympic athletes do (a couple of hop steps), didn't throw it at an exaggerated curved arch, and still managed to throw it further than any olympic athlete has thrown the Javelin. It also had a travel time of right under 6 seconds (the world record throw from Hohn). That's 3 times longer than the Achilles throw. After seeing a better video of that throw, it is fairly definitive that the distance is between 150-220 yard (or, at most, 200 meters). That's about 100 meters a second, 224 mph, about 360 km/h. Meaning, my original estimate of 200-400 kmh was pretty damn spot on (pats self on back again). That's still not enough to overwhelm Anakin's battle precog, though. 😄
I don't think you're factoring in the whole picture, Vader was blocking blows from Obi Wan who easily blocked blows from a 7foot 350pound cyborg. He also was able to hold onto Obi and Padme with one arm, iirc. Stands to reason, the Jedi/Sith augment their strength when needed/desired via the Force.
All in all, you still said Vader wins for obvious reasons, so I'll let this one slide.
Originally posted by RobtardThen you can consider every time he moves out of the way from an attack a near death experience. You can't be this dense.
A sword coming within an inch of your throat because you moved away at the last second is a near-death experience, clowny. Yeah, thanks for repeating what I said about Achilles' look. Good job, you can parrot me.So you agree that the rock downed Hector. About time.
Achilles' shield isn't saving him here, Vader's better, faster, stronger, more agile and battle-procog, he wins easily.
His attack was blocked and his battle awareness is crap. Achilles tossed his shield and then pwned him. If scratching his breast plate is near death you have no concept about combat like most other things in life.
Achilles is stronger, more skilled, less emotional, and a better warrior.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Achilles is 1. stronger, 2. more skilled, 3. less emotional, and a 3. better warrior.
1. True.
2. False - Anakin is THE skilled pilot, duelist, force user, roboticist, linguist, AI designer, and overall Informatio Technology professional.
3. In their respective times? They are about the same. Though some would like to note that Anakin was the better warrior because he was awesome among a greater pool of "people" than Achilles.
Originally posted by dadudemon2. More skilled as an elite warrior than Anakin is with his weapons.
1. True.
2. False - Anakin is THE skilled pilot, duelist, force user, roboticist, linguist, AI designer, and overall Informatio Technology professional.
3. In their respective times? They are about the same. Though some would like to note that Anakin was the better warrior because he was awesome among a greater pool of "people" than Achilles.
Originally posted by quanchi112
2. More skilled as an elite warrior than Anakin is with his weapons.
3.Anakin isn't at the top like Achilles is. Achilles is well above everyone else while Anakin isn't.
2. I could easily argue that Achilles has a greater depth of "weapons mastery" than Anakin...when it comes to melee weapons, specifically.
3. Anakin is in the top 5, easily. Who's better? Sidious? Yoda? Mace? That's pretty much it. Out of a pool of an entire galaxy, it's hard to argue which pool is greater. Meaning..."cream of the crop". However, I do not consider this even a logical line of reasoning: it does not matter which is better in their pool sizes: their actual skills matter.
Originally posted by Turr_PhennirI didn't see it did only that he's well beyond anyone else who have access to the same abilities and skills that he does.
^ That Achilles is essentially peerless in his era and environment does not in any way indicate that his skills are greater than that of Anakin's.
Originally posted by dadudemon2.Ok.
2. I could easily argue that Achilles has a greater depth of "weapons mastery" than Anakin...when it comes to melee weapons, specifically.3. Anakin is in the top 5, easily. Who's better? Sidious? Yoda? Mace? That's pretty much it. Out of a pool of an entire galaxy, it's hard to argue which pool is greater. Meaning..."cream of the crop". However, I do not consider this even a logical line of reasoning: it does not matter which is better in their pool sizes: their actual skills matter.
3.Sidious
Yoda
Windu
Maul
To me I compare each fictional movie setting to each other so despite it being comprised of an entire galaxy as opposed to earth I view it more or less one fictional universe's best vs. another fictional universe's top 5.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Then you can consider every time he moves out of the way from an attack a near death experience. You can't be this dense.His attack was blocked and his battle awareness is crap. Achilles tossed his shield and then pwned him. If scratching his breast plate is near death you have no concept about combat like most other things in life.
Achilles is stronger, more skilled, less emotional, and a better warrior.
You can consider that since you completely lack the ability to look at the bigger picture. I'll stick with what was shown.
Still rambling over this? Damn. Hector tripped over a rock at that point in the battle; arguing differently just means you're an idiot. I'd tell you to watch the scene a few more times and pay closer attention, but it's evident you suffer from I-See-What-I-Want-To-See syndrome.
Incorrect. Incorrect. He was raging pretty emo while shouting Hector's name, but yes overall. Incorrect. Hey, you got 1 out of 5 correct, so you're not 100% wrong as usual. Slowly improving; you'll get there someday, champ.