Originally posted by RobtardSaying clown tactics over and over isn't debating. I continue to do so while you repeat yourself like the Rain Man.
More clown tactics.More self back-patting.
Not how it works, you're claiming he has super-human strength, you need to prove it. The longest javelin throw is close to 100meters, which is far longer than that scene depicted considering the spear's flight-time and how close Hector closed on the temple after. Now do your little dodge/fallacy dance flips for me. Go.
More fanboying.
Yet more self back-patting.
Throwing something as hard as you can for distance as opposed to throwing it a considerable distance along with hitting a moving target aren't the same things. LOL.
Achilles wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying clown tactics over and over isn't debating. I continue to do so while you repeat yourself like the Rain Man.Throwing something as hard as you can for distance as opposed to throwing it a considerable distance along with hitting a moving target aren't the same things. LOL.
Achilles wins.
Using clown tactics which you do isn't debating, sorry.
So another dodge, called it.
Originally posted by RobtardYou keep conceding in every debate we have. Don't you have any self respect ?
Using clown tactics which you do isn't debating, sorry.So another dodge, called it.
So you feel throwing something as far as you can is the same thing as throwing something deadly accurate from 100 yards away ? Really ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
You keep conceding in every debate we have. Don't you have any self respect ?So you feel throwing something as far as you can is the same thing as throwing something deadly accurate from 100 yards away ? Really ?
And more clown tactics coupled with self back-patting.
Must you resort to being a clown in every thread? You need to prove that Achilles' throw was "super-human" and not just a very impressive throw, you won't, because you can't. Why you dance the dance of the sugarplum fallacies. Moving on.
Sad thing, it doesn't even matte if Achilles' had "super-human strength" as you claim, Vader's still winning due to being faster, more agile and Force-precog.
Originally posted by RobtardYou're like my own personal hector. I toy with you.
And more clown tactics coupled with self back-patting.Must you resort to being a clown in every thread? You need to prove that Achilles' throw was "super-human" and not just a very impressive throw, you won't, because you can't. Why you dance the dance of the sugarplum fallacies.
I get it you feel normal people can perform the feats Achilles performed in the movies making them just human feats. I kinda think it's funny but more or less sad.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You're like my own personal hector. I toy with you.I get it you feel normal people can perform the feats Achilles performed in the movies making them just human feats. I kinda think it's funny but more or less sad.
Lol, you edited out part of my response, truth hurts you that much so you dodge, eh. Clown.
Originally posted by RobtardYou edited it. I don't edit out anything save giant pictures from time to time.
Lol, you edited out part of my response, truth hurts you that much so you dodge, eh. Clown.
Vader isn't more skilled nor as battle effective as Achilles is. Vader is controlled by his emotions whereas Achilles lives for glory and it will be glorious after he drags Anakin's dead body around for Palpatine to see.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree he's an emotional nutcase. He's also been arrogant for the entire third movie so he isn't just nuts he firmly believes he can do so because he's bought into his own hype.
What and Achilles isn't arrogant? Anakin can back his arrogance up with genuinely superhuman abilities, and has defeated pretty much the most skilled swordsman in the Galaxy in single combat in the form of Dooku. He's better than Achilles.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No human is ever capable of doing anything remotely close to this. It's not even close. It's superhuman.
It really was not that far. You're just hyping the shit out of things like you always do. And again, Anakin has superhuman strength as well. So big ****ing deal.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it does if Anakin can't even tell jumping an opponent will lose him the fight he has much better awareness.
As explained, Anakin is not as emotionally insane as he was in that fight with Obi-Wan. Plus Anakin had just fought a 30 minute fight at that point. Fatigue would be a factor.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's obvious he did. It's obvious the portrayal was this guy is such a badass this is how awesome he is when storming a beach outmanned and facing off against fire archers. The guy is the definition of calm, cool, and collected. Luck is something for weak feebs such as McClane.
It being 'obvious' to you isn't an acceptable argument. It sure as hell wasn't obvious to me, for reasons I've already explained. If he was trying to block the arrow why not simply raise the shield and block it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I know he's into his own hype. I know you are a borb fanboy. He profiled your worship. Probably laughing his ass off with his german friends at you.
As opposed to the entire forum laughing its ass off at you? 😉
Originally posted by RobtardI just responded to the part of your post you edited. My brain works quicker than yours does. Achilles still wins.
LoL, I posted at 12:30; you replied at 12:33. You're a poor liar.Telling how instead of facing that truth I posted, you dodge and do little flips again. Good monkey.
Vader wins, he's clearly better.
Originally posted by NephthysAchilles' arrogance doesn't make cause him to make stupid and irrational decisions while in combat. That's the entire point but maybe that german idol of yours can help you out. No, Anakin obviously hasn't. He never defeated in fair combat Yoda, Obi, Palpatine, or Windu. Sorry, you're exaggerating again. Achilles mops the floor with his movies best while Anakin sobs and pouts when he loses.
What and Achilles isn't arrogant? Anakin can back his arrogance up with genuinely superhuman abilities, and has defeated pretty much the most skilled swordsman in the Galaxy in single combat in the form of Dooku. He's better than Achilles.
I don't hype things I lay them out fair. My nickname wouldn't be the Voice of Reason if I hyped things. Anakin can't even physically dominate Obi Wan so how is he going to do anything to Achilles ?
It really was not that far. You're just hyping the shit out of things like you always do. And again, Anakin has superhuman strength as well. So big ****ing deal.
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This is rots Anakin so he's an emotional wreck the entire time. The guy is just constantly obsessing over this. He wasn't fatigued he was just stupid. Obi knew he couldn't pull it off and even told him not too. That's one of the worst combat showings ever. Your opponent is giving you advice and like an idiot you hand over a victory due to arrogance.
As explained, Anakin is not as emotionally insane as he was in that fight with Obi-Wan. Plus Anakin had just fought a 30 minute fight at that point. Fatigue would be a factor.[/B]
There was no element of luck in the entire film when it came to his capabilities and skill. The movie made it plain as day he moved the shield to block the arrow. I guess when he blocked the spears out of the air he was just lucky as well. Every win just luck in your book. Lucky swings.
It being 'obvious' to you isn't an acceptable argument. It sure as hell wasn't obvious to me, for reasons I've already explained. If he was trying to block the arrow why not simply raise the shield and block it.As opposed to the entire forum laughing its ass off at you? 😉 [/B]
Laughing out of fear and desperation maybe.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Achilles' arrogance doesn't make cause him to make stupid and irrational decisions while in combat. That's the entire point but maybe that german idol of yours can help you out.
What about the time Achilles refused to fight because Agamemnon was mean to him? It cost hundreds of lives all because he was having a hissy fit.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, Anakin obviously hasn't. He never defeated in fair combat Yoda, Obi, Palpatine, or Windu. Sorry, you're exaggerating again. Achilles mops the floor with his movies best while Anakin sobs and pouts when he loses.
Anakin defeated Dooku twice, and Dooku is the most skilled duelist in the movies according to George Lucas and Nick Gillard, the fight choreographer. So yeah, Anakin has.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't hype things I lay them out fair. My nickname wouldn't be the Voice of Reason if I hyped things.
Of course you don't. thats why you never claimed that Achilles blocked arrows with his sword, or that him deflecting a spear counts as superstrength, or that putting a shield on his back counts as precognition and awareness above that of someone who can sense things in other rooms, see the future and jump out of a flying car and land on a flying car a mile blow him driving at about a hundred miles per hour.
ALL HAIL THE VOICE OF REASON!
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin can't even physically dominate Obi Wan so how is he going to do anything to Achilles ?
Obi-Wan was blocking attacks from a cyborg that was strong enough to dent a space ships hull with his fist. Oh and:
At 1.08 Anakin does overpower him. 😉
Originally posted by quanchi112
This is rots Anakin so he's an emotional wreck the entire time.
No he isn't. When he defeated Dooku he was fine.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He wasn't fatigued he was just stupid.
He'd been fighting for half an hour on top of a river of magma! Though if you think Anakin has superhuman stamina thats fine by me.
Originally posted by quanchi112
There was no element of luck in the entire film when it came to his capabilities and skill. The movie made it plain as day he moved the shield to block the arrow. I guess when he blocked the spears out of the air he was just lucky as well. Every win just luck in your book. Lucky swings.
I'm not seing any proof. Just you waffling on as usual.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Laughing out of fear and desperation maybe.
People don't laugh out of fear and desperation. 😐
They laugh out of derision. 😉
Originally posted by quanchi112
I just responded to the part of your post you edited. My brain works quicker than yours does.Achilles still wins.
The time-stamp on the posts don't lie, you silly retarded clown. It's okay though, if I were you debating me, I'd dodge me too. Moving on.
Let's get real though, the second Achilles sees Vader standing there with his golden hand, burning sword and having the Force at his disposal, Achilles will think Vader's one of the gods; likely Ares and will instantly drop to his knees and worship. This is how it ends, Achilles worshiping Vader.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It wasn't always superior firepower it was catching them completely off guard. Yoda only reacted a moment before they were going to kill him just the same. Precog can and has failed. It fails all the time it just aids them is all. It's not some kind of autowin reasoning which you seem rather obsessed about.
How, tell me, would Achilles catch Anakin unaware, when he is the only thing Anakin has to focus on because the two are engaging in a duel? Did I miss the part of the opening post, that says Achilles sneaks up to Anakin, with the latter meditating and not giving a damn about his surrounding and the fight starts in the split second before Achilles puts his spear or sword through Anakin? Because that would be the only situation, in which Achilles could hope to win this.
And yes. Precog has failed. I've explained to you - en detail - how and why. You remain ignorant to those facts and keep repeating your already defeated arguments, because you can't accept that Achilles is nowhere close to the combat abilities of a Jedi Knight, especially not one like Anakin Skywalker.
It showed a highly skilled opponent can take on a highly skilled jedi. Obi was in for the fight of his life against someone with weaponry unlike a jedi sword. Windu easily destroyed him as well further proving Obi is vastly exaggerated and yet he still managed to defeat Anakin.
It showed, and I hate to repeat myself, somebody with A HUGE AMOUNT OF FIREPOWER being able to ESCAPE from a Jedi, given that Obi-Wan clearly survived the fight, in which he didn't even want to kill Jango. This still is an example of the - aforementioned - ability to "defeat" Jedi through use of superior firepower, and your attempt to gloss over it doesn't change that fact.
I am citing examples from the same character which he still seems to make in rots as further evidence. He does stupid things which lose him fights. He gets frustrated and is arrogant to the point of it costing him a fight.
Again, your use of double-standards is outright hilarious. So he does stupid things which lose him fights? That's funny. Because I remember somebody kneeling down to the ground in the midst of a city raid and mass slaughter, which resulted in him being riddled with arrows? So is Achilles even more stupid than Anakin? I don't see how this actually affects a virtual fight between those two, unless you want to assume, that they go PIS all over the place and whack at each other, affected by some emotional delusion, in which case Anakin would still win.
Achilles stormed beaches and practically had no battle scars from constantly being in war time situations. That's one of the funniest reasons and most desperate tactics I've yet seen. I don't cite Achilles' spotless war time life as proof of anything I cite what we see on screen. The guy was a man among boys. Vader found a way to lose against someone who was inferior to him with a light saber.
I fail to see, why I should continue a debate with a person totally ignorant towards the topic he tries to talk about. The person you deem "inferior with a lightsaber", was one of the best lightsaber combatants the order had in the respective time frame, which is evident by the fact alone, that they chose Kenobi to deal with General Grievous. I also don't know how you conclude that Anakin is superior with a lightsaber to Kenobi. You do realize, that in their fight they look pretty much equal and the only other fight to judge the characters from was the fight against Dooku, in which Dooku offed Kenobi with force attacks - not by outduelling him.
So, thanks for - once again - basing your "argument" on a false assumption and making yourself look like an idiot.
I understood exactly this sort of tactic. You want to use a much more maneuverable character as legit evidence for something Anakin can do. Sorry, Yoda was above Anakin and we both know it. Obi was specifically not sent against Palpatine despite wanting too because he wasn't good enough to go up against him yet Yoda was.
Apparently, you need a lecture about Anakin's abilities, because you clearly unable to comprehend them:
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[*]as a nine year old, Anakin participated in one of the most dangerous sports in the Galaxy, that was based upon navigating vehicles moving with almost sonic speed on ground level through rather narrow race tracks. He was, in fact, the only human being in the Galaxy capable of participating in that sport, due to his superhuman reflexes (based on his accurate precognition).
[*]being impressed with said abilities, Qui-Gon performs medi-chlorian testing on Anakin, with the result being that he is the potentially most powerful force user the Jedi Order has seen so far.
[*]he "luckily" takes out pretty much the entire Trade Federation droid army on Naboo by destroying their command ship. This may seem like an incident, but if we have to trust on screen evidence, then, according to Obi-Wan Kenobi in "A new hope", there is nothing like "luck". Instead, an unusual amount of luck is testament to a high affinity to the force.
[*]being 19 years old, he was capable of using his lightsaber with such accuracy, that he was capable of cutting through two objects on a human body with his blade, without even touching the body on which said objects lied (Neph has already served you the corresponding on screen evidence)
[*]right after this scene, he jumps out of the speeder him and Obi-Wan are using and accurately predicts the exact millisecond in which he has to jump, in order to catch the speeder of the assassin several hundret feets below.
[*]by this, he already demonstrates superhuman speed and durability. If you don't get what I mean, try to get a grip on a car moving at maximum speed, after having dropped several hundred feet down to it. Any human trying something like that, will be killed by the fall, or has his arm torn out in the process.
[*]when he learns that his mother has died in a Tusken camp, he proceeds to slaughter the entire village. While you may want to chalk that up to the "fodder" he killed, those Tusken happen to be rather dangerous warriors, given the demonstrations of their aim in TPM and the lessons of Obi-Wan in ANH.
[*]he then survives the battle in the arena of Geonosis - which is impressive enough, provided the position he started that battle from.
[*]he managed to keep up with one of the most powerful Jedi Masters gone Sith. A unique fencer, with eight decades of training with a lightsaber.
[*]in RotS he slaughters more "fodder" on his way to Dooku and on his way to Grievous.
[*]he defeats the aforementioned Jedi Master gone Sith with eight decades of training in saber combat.
[*]he slaughters much of the population of the Jedi Temple, including, but not limited to, Jedi Master Cin Drallig, one of the best combatants the Jedi order had, facing several other Jedi at the same time.
[*]with likewise lack of effort, he slaughters the seperatist council, exhibiting the ability to accurately deflect blasterfire, coming in from behind his back, without even looking
[*]he goes toe to toe with one of the most skilled lightsaber wielders of his order (Obi-Wan) in one of the most intense battles in the saga.
[*]when he loses this, he somehow manages to survive getting both legs and an arm cut off, getting incinerated, and lying right next to a lava river. If you know, how freaking hot lava is, he again demonstrates an inhuman amount of durability and ability to take pain here.
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Those are the feats that apply here and even if we would assume, that your invented feats for Achilles would have happened, Anakin would be still head and shoulders above the Greek warrior, due to the fact that he does possess superhuman reflexes, strength, speed and precognition.
The cousin was well above any average soldier as shown by his march into Hector. He was clearly outmatched by Hector who was well beyond any normal soldier as well. The giant slew multiple men and was taking arrows into his body without really slowing down. Hector managed to defeat him but it was much closer than Hector's win over his cousin.
Who cares?
Even Jedi padawans are regarded as unparalleled warriors within the Star Wars galaxy, with the Jedi Knights and Masters being above them, and with the likes of Anakin and Obi-Wan among the most skilled Jedi Masters. So they are the elite of a group of elite warriors, which belongs to an order of warriors with legendary skills. Skills not only present, just because of the Jedi using the Force, but also because each and everyone of them is trained from infancy on in the use of the lightsaber and the Force. The Jedi order is the Star Wars equivalent of Sparta in Ancient Greek.
I don't think so. Anakin despite being so on was overrated and lost to an opponent who knew himself to be inferior to Anakin. Achilles was hands down so far and away better than everyone else while at Anakin's best he was around Obi level.
You still fail to understand the fact that Obi-Wan is as superhuman as Anakin is. Achilles, on the other hand, is not. He is a very well trained human being, granted - better than anybody else, yet, he is still no superhuman. He would be baffled by a Jedi's speed, "reflexes", fighting skills and precognition. He can't keep up with that, no matter how hard he would try.
The humans though are much quicker to react than a droid wit his lack of mobility which is a huge weakness. Achilles won his battle as well with a much smaller force whereas Anakin needed a lot of backup to stand a chance.
*facepalm*
The Jedi, according to Dooku, faced an army of droids outnumbering them one hundred to one maybe even 1000 to one. Where is the compareable enemy force in Achilles taking of the beach? Correct: It doesn't exists. Then again: How does it even matter. We're not discussing a virtual king of the beach contest here, but a fight to the death between just those two opponents.
I've already given other examples such as Anakin's precog failing him against Dooku and Obi. I have also given an example of Yoda's precog failing to recognize the most obvious force lighting blast ever.
Can it be, that all those examples happened against force users? What were the rules for defeating a force user again? Ah...yes. Having a huge amount of firepower or BEING A FORCE USER YOURSELF. 🙄
Yes, which give more weight to my precog is vague and isn't an automatic I know what's coming right before it happens like you make it sound.
You're trying to downplay precog, because you know that Achilles stands no chance against it. Not that it matters, because Anakin's other feats alone put him far above human beings like Achilles.
I know he's into his own hype. I know you are a borb fanboy. He profiled your worship. Probably laughing his ass off with his german friends at you
I can assure you, that there is only person that causes me to "laugh my ass off" with my German friends here, and that would be you. It's also nice that you're bold enough to cast judgements on me, based on a few post in an internet forum - without even knowing the context. Did you acquire that kind of social competence along the way to your 60,000+ postings here? The sheer hilarity of proclaiming that I am "into my hype", when you run around here, presuming that you're a great debater, when just bringing bullshit to the table was too much, though. You shouldn't presume to be a vampire, just because you suck. 🙂