Originally posted by Robtard
Here DDM and Korto
Damn you. I'm at work and that link doesn't work.
I'll watch it in an hour.
Originally posted by Robtard
Here DDM and Korto
Damn you. I'm at work and that link doesn't work.
I'll watch it in an hour.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Damn you. I'm at work and that link doesn't work.I'll watch it in an hour.
Originally posted by Korto VosOkease don't start with the excuses. What's the point of debating if only their high showings count ? It's like saying their defeats/low moments suddenly didn't happen. Anakin wasn't able to best him either way and had more than enough time to do so against an inferior opponent.
No, you have nothing to make such an assumption. If they were contemporaries, I could argue that Arjuna was the greatest warrior on earth. Nevertheless, I will admit Achilles was far superior to the rest of his peers.And "far from the top." No...his loss was a combination of a severely wracked mental state + Lucas PIS .
I don't judge it based on this I judge based on movie verse. Whether a movie verse is the size of earth or the galaxy I gauge these warriors where they fit among the elites of each respective universe.
While in "teh zone!," he thrashed Dooku. In this state, he's just behind Yoda, Mace, and Sidious, making him literally the fourth most powerful warrior in an entire galaxy (Do you understand what I'm saying? Galaxy much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much bigger than the Earth). [/B]
If someone else doesn't post it I will. Achilles didn't have many others and none were anywhere near close to his caliber on his boat. Wasn't Windu present along with Obi Wan I mean some of the baddest men in the galaxy. The laser fire doesn't seem anywhere near as fast as bullets and arguably is faster than arrows.
Lovely...want to tell me what the "superhuman" feat was?Achilles had his Mymidons. Even if Anakin had other Jedi, they were "impossibly outnumbered," as Dooku stated, by blaster-fire wielding droids (y'know, guns fire bullets faster than arrows fire arrows). I don't understand what you mean by "superior numbers," when clearly the Separatists had many, many more droids.
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Most of it happened off screen. Not saying he isn't a force to be reckoned with but not to the extent Achilles was in his verse.
That's not where I was getting at. You made a claim that Achilles was a better general, and I was telling you that Anakin became legendary because of his heroics in the Clone Wars.
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Youtube.
Where is this video?And how is this any more impressive than Anakin blocking blaster fire from droids in any direction. Or Obi-Wan and Yoda against elite Clones in the Jedi Temple.
Even if you could argue that Achilles has natural battle instinct that comes as limited precognition, Anakin's is much more developed and advanced. [/B]
The massive landscape of what he was doing while fighting men in front of him and being aware of what's happening around him as in spears and arrows coming at his person.
Anakin's precog failed against Obi who even tried warning him.
Originally posted by Korto VosHe wasn't even looking in the direction of the archer and was fighting those who got in his way. I've seen far worse catch Vader off guard and defeat him.
Is the javelin throw supposed to the "superhuman" feat?And the arrow that hits the back of the shield is supposed to be precognition?
Erm...okay.
ROTS Vader wins.
***READ MY WHOLE DAMN POST!***
I saw that scene, finally, on Youtube.
I need a high resolution movie and I'll calculate the speed of the spear throw.
Eyeball estimate: it was between 150-220 yards and the spearthrow is at about 200-400 km/h.
Blaster bolts range from 60 km/h (some closer quarters scenes like the trash compactor scene or the pre-"Obi Wan vs. GG scene) to 400 km/h via Jango's pistols (Jango was supposed to have some above quality "guns" so it should make sense that his bolts are faster). I believe we agreed on an average of 200 km/h to use in vs.threads (Jaden and I). So, knowing that...and know that Ki-Adi-Mundi was overwhelmed by 4-5 troopers firing at once, it's estimated that two dudes with hand guns (using high-velocity rounds), would be able to overwhelm battle precog from even the best Jedi Masters. (2 dudes firing hand guns at the same time would be equivalent to 6 clone troopers firing at once...due to speed of the "ballastic"...I know bolts are ballastics...but it's the same thing for the comparison).
Is 200-400 km/h > 6 * 200 km/h?
No. Achilles cannot overwhelm Anakin's battle precog with an uber fast spear throw.
Keep in mind that battle precog is NOT farseeing (which I've seen confused in MVF vs. debates many many times).
So, anyway, if someone has an HD video, I am more than willing to do a frame by frame and give an accurate speed/velocity of the spear throw.
We could make it more complex and tie in wind-resistance at STP (seems difficult but it's not: just use Fd = (1/2)*Da*(v^2)*Cd*A) [see below for what these mean]* and then come up with the initial throwing velocity.
We know the mass (masses) of a thrusting spear(s) from bronze age/classical ages. We could use that to compare it to the initial velocity of a javelin throw in the olympics and compare that to peak humans to see how far into superhuman he really is IF both sides agree that we need to go further into this feat from Achilles.
I am not done: we can also do a "strikes per second" count. If each side wants to provide an HD video of each side's FASTEST strikes per second video, I will do a frame by frame on those, too, and come up with who is faster. Some would argue that Achilles not only strikes fast, he strikes smartly...making that comparison nulled. I believe that Anakin does the same...as does every Jedi (no one can argue that Jedi are not awesomely surgical in their strikes). So I think it's a fair comparison...even against an character like Achilles.
*I dislike it when people use jargon so here are the goods:
STP = standard temperature and pressure
Fd= force of drag
A = orthographic projection
Cd = drag coefficient
Da = density of the fluid (in this case, it's the atmosphere of the Earth)
v = velocity of stuff...
Originally posted by Mindset
How hard is it to cut through gold?
I know what you're talking about: the Apollo statue decap from Achilles.
That wasn't a clean cut so it would not reall work as cutting. It's a sheer force, technically...which is much more difficult to calculate. So much so that I'm not willing to do so because it would take me too long and I would just end up getting something wrong. Astner has access to MatLab...so we could ask him. 😄
Pure gold is. That statue may have been alloyed to make it harder. Though the exact skill and state of expertise the 1200 BC Greek world was at metallurgy is unknown to me, so that specific fictional statue from a movie set may have been made of gold diamond and we'll all just have to assume that Brad Pitt's Achilles is strong enough to bite through adamantium. Ergo, Achilles>>Anakin and Wolverine.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Your point was stupid.Yoda was definitely his superior hence him fleeing the scene out of cowardice.
Achilles' awesome skill will definitely ward off Anakin's attacks. Watch Troy you can see him toy with highly skilled warriors if you don't believe me. Jango Fett can also give Obi a run for his money yet no force powers and someone of notable skill.
Obi shows he isn't anywhere near Grievous in terms of strength. That was obvious when he hit him. It's not even close nor did Obi have anything resembling super strength against Anakin and vice versa. Two scrubby boys wrestling around.
No, I admitted he defeated Dooku not that Dooku is beyond Achilles.
Uhm, you use double standards left and right somehow being tired or fatigued only affects Anakin's judgment not Obi's.
Yeah? Well your stupid!
They were duelling equally. But Dooku began to tire due to him fighting Anakin and Obi-Wan seconds before.
'Awesome skill' is not enough here. Anakin is equally skilled and has the advantages of precognition and superhuman reflexes and speed. Jango Fett had a ****-ton of advantages on his side, like a jet-pack, Obi-Wan not trying to kill him and his son shooting blaster canons at Obi-Wan which exploded about 2 feet from him. Plus as a Mandalorian, Jango is Godlike anyway.
No it isn't. Its just that Obi-Wan is made of flesh and so kicking metal is going to hurt like a mother****er. He was able to easily deal with Grievous' attacks when they were duelling. Which is >>>> anything Achilles does.
Admitting the first is enough because the second is true no matter what you say.
Of course it affected Obi-Wan. When did I say it didn't?
Originally posted by NephthysYour words are like venom. You may have ran me off the board forever with that one.
Yeah? Well your stupid!They were duelling equally. But Dooku began to tire due to him fighting Anakin [b]and
Obi-Wan seconds before.'Awesome skill' is not enough here. Anakin is equally skilled and has the advantages of precognition and superhuman reflexes and speed. Jango Fett had a ****-ton of advantages on his side, like a jet-pack, Obi-Wan not trying to kill him and his son shooting blaster canons at Obi-Wan which exploded about 2 feet from him. Plus as a Mandalorian, Jango is Godlike anyway.
No it isn't. Its just that Obi-Wan is made of flesh and so kicking metal is going to hurt like a mother****er. He was able to easily deal with Grievous' attacks when they were duelling. Which is >>>> anything Achilles does.
Admitting the first is enough because the second is true no matter what you say.
Of course it affected Obi-Wan. When did I say it didn't? [/B]
So you honestly think Dooku is an equal of Yoda ? Really ?
Achilles is smarter in combat and has battle awareness which to me was more impressive than any showing of precog I can recall. We've also seen his precog fail against obvious attacks. Jango isn't comparable to an elite jedi in which Windu easily proved. Obi just isn't anywhere near the upper levels which has been my entire point.
Achilles wouldn't have gotten hit. That's the thing the closest we see in combat is someone grazing his chest plate so unlike Obi Achilles tactically destroys his opponents while Obi has to luckily be within range of a blaster.
It's entirely different.
Don't use it as an excuse then Obi's judgment was still sound yet Anakin's wasn't.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Your words are like venom. You may have ran me off the board forever with that one.So you honestly think Dooku is an equal of Yoda ? Really ?
Achilles is smarter in combat and has battle awareness which to me was more impressive than any showing of precog I can recall. We've also seen his precog fail against obvious attacks. Jango isn't comparable to an elite jedi in which Windu easily proved. Obi just isn't anywhere near the upper levels which has been my entire point.
Achilles wouldn't have gotten hit. That's the thing the closest we see in combat is someone grazing his chest plate so unlike Obi Achilles tactically destroys his opponents while Obi has to luckily be within range of a blaster.
It's entirely different.
Don't use it as an excuse then Obi's judgment was still sound yet Anakin's wasn't.
I'll keep my fingers crossed.
The fight shows them to be relatively equal in terms of Force attacks, and there is no noticable difference in their lightsaber skills. You say that Dooku was obviously inferior because he ran away, and yet you do not take into account that Yoda had re-inforcements arriving, which Dooku no doubt would have been able to sense.
Being smarter in combat won't stop Anakin from cutting off his head. And you're insane if you think his battle awareness is superior to a Jedi's precognition. Achilles would not be able to deflect blaster fire like a Jedi can. In fact, Achilles would get his ass kicked by a single droid in my opinion. Pew pew he's dead.
You point about Obi-Wan not being an elite Jedi is fundamentally flawed because when he fought Jango he was not as skilled as he was in ROTS, after 2-3 years of fighting. By ROTS he is an elite warrior, as evidenced by his victory over Grievous.
Really, you think Achilles can fight this?
I don't.
Anakin was insane and tired. Obi-Wan was just tired.
Originally posted by Lord LucienSounds right.
Pure gold is. That statue may have been alloyed to make it harder. Though the exact skill and state of expertise the 1200 BC Greek world was at metallurgy is unknown to me, so that specific fictional statue from a movie set may have been made of gold diamond and we'll all just have to assume that Brad Pitt's Achilles is strong enough to bite through adamantium. Ergo, Achilles>>Anakin and Wolverine.
Originally posted by NephthysI was gone forever but I got the saddest pm from robtard. He begged me not to go. I'm a sucker for grown men crying like babies.
I'll keep my fingers crossed.The fight shows them to be relatively equal in terms of Force attacks, and there is no noticable difference in their lightsaber skills. You say that Dooku was obviously inferior because he ran away, and yet you do not take into account that Yoda had re-inforcements arriving, which Dooku no doubt would have been able to sense.
Being smarter in combat won't stop Anakin from cutting off his head. And you're insane if you think his battle awareness is superior to a Jedi's precognition. Achilles would not be able to deflect blaster fire like a Jedi can. In fact, Achilles would get his ass kicked by a single droid in my opinion. Pew pew he's dead.
You point about Obi-Wan not being an elite Jedi is fundamentally flawed because when he fought Jango he was not as skilled as he was in ROTS, after 2-3 years of fighting. By ROTS he is an elite warrior, as evidenced by his victory over Grievous.
Really, you think Achilles can fight this?
I don't.
Anakin was insane and tired. Obi-Wan was just tired.
Yoda was clearly winning the fight and has proven himself to be greater than Dooku. Dooku may have stalemated him in a contest of the knowledge of the force but in a saber battle it's clear Yoda was superior.
Casually blocking an arrow while engaging opponents to me is superior than to focusing purely on battle blaster fire. The eyeball test usually never fails. If you're telling me the scene with Achilles storming the beach isn't more impressive I don't think you are being entirely honest with yourself. I don't think so as long as his equipment can withstand the attacks. What's unfair is making him go up against sophisticated weaponry with his ancient weaponry.
Obi barely bested Grievous. It was due to a gun being in the right McClane place at the right McClane time.
I do without a doubt.
Obi had a lot on his mind as well as his own padawan he trained despite the council's worries who ended up resulting in the destruction of the jedi temple. He saw him kill younglings and Anakin put him in a position of having to almost kill him. You just see things from vader's perspective not Obi's. Translation in battle put aside your girly emotions and destroy your enemies. That's something Vader can't do.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin was caught unaware of attacking Obi in which Obi even warned him. Do you pay attention at all ? Why must I leep on repeating myself. Anakin also focused on Dooku yet ran wildly right into force lightning. Precog's like unbeatable, right ? Nah, Achilles would pwn him and ride off with his broken body strapped to his chariot.
You still keep siting two situations in which Anakin acted totally out of his (RotS) character, in an emotional assault on a target. That's like saying Achilles will always act as stupid as he did just before getting killed. This is a ridiculous attempt to talk down Anakin, because your previous gimping wasn't enough to let Achilles take the win in this match. Boohoo.
Yes, and you can't get past the times it has failed in humiliating fashion. The guy in this thread jumped at Obi despite his opponent saying you can't win with Obi having the higher ground. Precog failed.
See above. In the situation, Anakin would never have listened to his precognition, even if it did warn him, because he wanted to murder Obi-Wan at any cost. I don't see why "losing" your beloved one is an excuse for Achilles mental state in the end of Troy, why it isn't an excuse for Anakin. You keep ignoring the context.
It showed an inferior opponent almost best Obi who is clearly superior skill wise despite Obi's precog.
WITH THE AID OF A GUY IN A STARSHIP FIRING AT OBI-WAN. Stop ignoring that fact. The same guy was murdered within seconds when confronting another Jedi Master. Another fact you shouldn't ignore.
Achilles wasn't in direct combat with anyone and was seeing to the aid of his slave whorish girlfriendAnakin being defeated because he's stupid is completely different than someone shooting an arrow into your foot while your seeing to your property.
Anakin was defeated because of his mental state in combination with the fact that he was facing the combatant with the best defense in the Galaxy who knew all his tricks inside out. Much like Achilles, Anakin was in a situation that doesn't reflect his usual skill, abilities and focus. Your constant attempt to deny that is funny, in the sense of you embarissing yourself, yet annoying, in the sense of you persisting in your errors, after having them explained to you in detail over and over again
Obi admits Anakin is superior to him. You acting like I am ignorant is more projecting. Anakin was a problem and wasn't fully trusted at that point which is a good call. Dooku took care of him rather easily both fights. Anakin is superior with a saber and Obi ready admits his inferiority. The mere fact Anakin loses shows how combat stupid he is.
So, thanks for - once again - basing your "argument" on a false assumption and making yourself look like an idiot.
See above. Argumentum ad nauseam based on a false premise. I'm not going to explain it once again, seeing as I'm talking to a brick wall with the IQ that is accurately reflected by the crossfoot of the numbers in his username.
You gave a rather detailed mainly pointless rant about Anakin's feats. We all know his feats and his losses against Dooku twice and Obi is rather apparent. The rest is window dressing in which you really adjective up his meaningless feats and try to hype them into wow this guy might have a chance against Doctor Manhattan he's that formidable.
Superhuman strength, speed, durability, agility and precision + precognition VS Achilles nothing.
Ok, but out of all of the empires of earth in Troy Achilles stood alone. Anakin wasn't looking down on everyone else like Achilles was out of his era' or movies respective elite warriors.
Anakin was looking down to all but five beings (Yoda, Sidious, Mace Windu, Dooku, Obi-Wan) in an entire Galaxy and was gifted with the potential to become the most powerful being in that Galaxy. You seriously think Achilles does even remotely compare?
Achilles is superhuman as well. No one ever could pull off the feats Achilles does with ease while in combat you are trying to downplay Achilles feats. They are very much superhuman. He's skilled enough to parry a saber's attacks with his sword and shield.
No. They are not. Since I'm not going to post it down again, you can see all his feats getting shot down here. Achilles is nothing more than a regular human, trained to the apex of human ability at his time. Not superhuman.
You're just guessing now. Achilles is far better general in battle than Anakin but that's just one more thing he's better at.
False. Ignoring feats of Anakin from the movie, ignoring context, ignoring evidence to the contrary. Argumentum ad absurdum.
Wrong. We've seen single shots hit them. We've also seen force users telegraph their attacks in which jedi have no been able to react despite their precog.
We do? Where does a Jedi get hit by a single shot from a single opponent he does focus on? Show me the instance or shut up with your lies.
Achilles battle awareness is all he needs here. To casually knock spears out of the air while blocking arrows while engaging in sword fights right in front of you is proof enough.
Making up feats for Achilles again? Already answered, totally debunked in my linked post. Not worth a further answer.
I was just kidding about you having a large number of german friends though so slow down. I post a lot. You don't. I'm a better debater. You're not. Hey don't worry if it wasn't for people like you people like me wouldn't stand out.
You? A better debater than me? Pff. I could eat alphabet soup and shit better arguments than you bring to the table. You maybe want to stop by the next psychiatrist, to get a check up on your cognitive malfunctions and your imaginary superiority.
Originally posted by BorbaradAnakin was in an emotional state of duress for pretty much the entire movie. That's who he was. That's why he fell into the dark side through fear of loss. Achilles was protecting a woman he wasn't in a fight with an opponent. If Anakin gets murdered while taking a dump I won't use that as evidence but if he makes a poor decision while in battle you're damn right I will. No, you're the king of excuses.
You still keep siting two situations in which Anakin acted totally out of his (RotS) character, in an emotional assault on a target. That's like saying Achilles will always act as stupid as he did just before getting killed. This is a ridiculous attempt to talk down Anakin, because your previous gimping wasn't enough to let Achilles take the win in this match. Boohoo.
Here we go again. I can cite which I already have Dooku easily blasting him into unconsciousness but then you'd ignore that too. There isn't just one example and no matter how many times I say it here comes another excuse. It's sickening and pitiful. Achilles isn't locked in combat whereas Anakin is and makes poor decisions. If you can't see the diference I suggest more alphabet soup.
See above. In the situation, Anakin would never have listened to his precognition, even if it did warn him, because he wanted to murder Obi-Wan at any cost. I don't see why "losing" your beloved one is an excuse for Achilles mental state in the end of Troy, why it isn't an excuse for Anakin. You keep ignoring the context.
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Despite that Obi still wasn't able to easily best him. Obi's nowhere near someone of Windu's power and skill level hence the reason he was sent to dispatch Anakin who isn't near Yoda or Palpatine's level at that moment in time.
WITH THE AID OF A GUY IN A STARSHIP FIRING AT OBI-WAN. Stop ignoring that fact. The same guy was murdered within seconds when confronting another Jedi Master. Another fact you shouldn't ignore. [/B]
More excuses. I have already covered this and then some. Obi also had a lot on his plate and was taking on an inferior opponent according to himself. Obi didn't want to kill or have to go down this road with Anakin due to their connection so quit ignoring Obi manning up while Anakin just comes apart at the seams. Anakin is a weak person and always has been.
Anakin was defeated because of his mental state in combination with the fact that he was facing the combatant with the best defense in the Galaxy who knew all his tricks inside out. Much like Achilles, Anakin was in a situation that doesn't reflect his usual skill, abilities and focus. Your constant attempt to deny that is funny, in the sense of you embarissing yourself, yet annoying, in the sense of you persisting in your errors, after having them explained to you in detail over and over again[/B]
You're intimidated by me. I am not intimidated by you. Just man up.
See above. Argumentum ad nauseam based on a false premise. I'm not going to explain it once again, seeing as I'm talking to a brick wall with the IQ that is accurately reflected by the crossfoot of the numbers in his username.[/B]
Achilles has skill, battle awareness, emotional control over himself, and a shield which isn't something jedis are used to. Everyone was looking well up to Achilles unlike Anakin who had 5 superiors according to you.
Superhuman strength, speed, durability, agility and precision + precognition VS Achilles nothing.Anakin was looking down to all but five beings (Yoda, Sidious, Mace Windu, Dooku, Obi-Wan) in an entire Galaxy and was gifted with the potential to become the most powerful being in that Galaxy. You seriously think Achilles does even remotely compare?[/B]
Exaggeration after exaggeration. Achilles is superhuman as no other human can replicate his feats which he seemed to accomplish with relative ease.
No. They are not. Since I'm not going to post it down again, you can see all his feats getting shot down here. Achilles is nothing more than a regular human, trained to the apex of human ability at his time. Not superhuman.[/B]
How is Anakin a better general ? I mean they picked Obi and other members over him countless times. It's pretty much a pivotal angle Palpatine uses to further corrupt him. Achilles was someone who inspired his entire army and who could talk down to kings because of his greatness. No one could do what Achilles has done and gotten away with it.
False. Ignoring feats of Anakin from the movie, ignoring context, ignoring evidence to the contrary. Argumentum ad absurdum.We do? Where does a Jedi get hit by a single shot from a single opponent he does focus on? Show me the instance or shut up with your lies.
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Dooku.
Your attempts at downplaying are falling on deaf ears.
Making up feats for Achilles again? Already answered, totally debunked in my linked post. Not worth a further answer.You? A better debater than me? Pff. I could eat alphabet soup and shit better arguments than you bring to the table. You maybe want to stop by the next psychiatrist, to get a check up on your cognitive malfunctions and your imaginary superiority. [/B]
Talk about taking a number 2 elsewhere boy I have more debaters to crush. You're just breakfast.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin was in an emotional state of duress for pretty much the entire movie. That's who he was. That's why he fell into the dark side through fear of loss. Achilles was protecting a woman he wasn't in a fight with an opponent. If Anakin gets murdered while taking a dump I won't use that as evidence but if he makes a poor decision while in battle you're damn right I will. No, you're the king of excuses.
Considering you severe inability to understand fiction, I have to say, that you're wrong here. Anakin did simple maw down one of the greatest duellist in the Galaxy (Dooku) who was second only to Yoda (and perhabs Sidious) with apparent ease. That is his level of skill in his "best shape". You want to discuss anything else but his best shape? You're wrong here.
Here we go again. I can cite which I already have Dooku easily blasting him into unconsciousness but then you'd ignore that too. There isn't just one example and no matter how many times I say it here comes another excuse. It's sickening and pitiful. Achilles isn't locked in combat whereas Anakin is and makes poor decisions. If you can't see the diference I suggest more alphabet soup.
If there would be evidence for Achilles getting slapped in his face as a three year old, would that count as evidence for his combat skills as an adult? No. You ignore three years of character development, despite Lucas put it in his movie for the most supreme idiots, by putting the same characters in the same situation and have Anakin act totally different. No flood of text will help you to gloss over that fact. Argument destroyed. Moving on.
Despite that Obi still wasn't able to easily best him. Obi's nowhere near someone of Windu's power and skill level hence the reason he was sent to dispatch Anakin who isn't near Yoda or Palpatine's level at that moment in time.
Really? According to Anakin, he is "as powerful as Master Windu and as wise as master Yoda". And, yes, you need to be Yoda or Windu to compete with Sidious - who is just the most powerful creature alive at that point in the Galaxy (save for Yoda). Your point?
More excuses. I have already covered this and then some. Obi also had a lot on his plate and was taking on an inferior opponent according to himself. Obi didn't want to kill or have to go down this road with Anakin due to their connection so quit ignoring Obi manning up while Anakin just comes apart at the seams. Anakin is a weak person and always has been.
I'm afraid: Movie > your personal interpretation. Next.
You're intimidated by me. I am not intimidated by you. Just man up.
Yup. I literally tremble with fear, because of my angst that your stupidity could be contageous and that I'm losing IQ points by just reading your post - not even talking about answering them.
Achilles has skill, battle awareness, emotional control over himself, and a shield which isn't something jedis are used to. Everyone was looking well up to Achilles unlike Anakin who had 5 superiors according to you.
One quadrillion beings in the Galaxy did look up to Anakin. Greek army pales in comparison. Was that an argument? Does "being on top of lesser mortals" now mean you're superior of to one of the top combatants of an order of superhuman beings? Apparently, this is how logic works in the Quanchiverse.
Exaggeration after exaggeration. Achilles is superhuman as no other human can replicate his feats which he seemed to accomplish with relative ease.
Any skilled fighter with his amount of training could replicate his feats, as he doesn't exhibit one single superhuman skill on screen, which was the intention of the people who made this movie (hence them leaving the Gods out of the equation and Achilles invunerability).
How is Anakin a better general ? I mean they picked Obi and other members over him countless times. It's pretty much a pivotal angle Palpatine uses to further corrupt him. Achilles was someone who inspired his entire army and who could talk down to kings because of his greatness. No one could do what Achilles has done and gotten away with it.
Thanks for ignoring what your quoted in order to open another pointless discussion. Their skills as commanders don't matter here, and hence I didn't mention the topic. So what are you replying to?
Your attempts at downplaying are falling on deaf ears.
Pot. Kettle. Black. 🙄
Talk about taking a number 2 elsewhere boy I have more debaters to crush. You're just breakfast.
You mean, you have more people to either bore to death with your repetition of previously defeated points or entertain with your stupidity? Move on, Quanchi.