Originally posted by Borbarad
How, tell me, would Achilles catch Anakin unaware, when he is the only thing Anakin has to focus on because the two are engaging in a duel? Did I miss the part of the opening post, that says Achilles sneaks up to Anakin, with the latter meditating and not giving a damn about his surrounding and the fight starts in the split second before Achilles puts his spear or sword through Anakin? Because that would be the only situation, in which Achilles could hope to win this.
Anakin was caught unaware of attacking Obi in which Obi even warned him. Do you pay attention at all ? Why must I leep on repeating myself. Anakin also focused on Dooku yet ran wildly right into force lightning. Precog's like unbeatable, right ? Nah, Achilles would pwn him and ride off with his broken body strapped to his chariot.
And yes. Precog has failed. I've explained to you - en detail - how and why. You remain ignorant to those facts and keep repeating your already defeated arguments, because you can't accept that Achilles is nowhere close to the combat abilities of a Jedi Knight, especially not one like Anakin Skywalker.
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Yes, and you can't get past the times it has failed in humiliating fashion. The guy in this thread jumped at Obi despite his opponent saying you can't win with Obi having the higher ground. Precog failed.
It showed, and I hate to repeat myself, somebody with A HUGE AMOUNT OF FIREPOWER being able to ESCAPE from a Jedi, given that Obi-Wan clearly survived the fight, in which he didn't even want to kill Jango. This still is an example of the - aforementioned - ability to "defeat" Jedi through use of superior firepower, and your attempt to gloss over it doesn't change that fact.[/B]
It showed an inferior opponent almost best Obi who is clearly superior skill wise despite Obi's precog.
Again, your use of double-standards is outright hilarious. So he does stupid things which lose him fights? That's funny. Because I remember somebody kneeling down to the ground in the midst of a city raid and mass slaughter, which resulted in him being riddled with arrows? So is Achilles even more stupid than Anakin? I don't see how this actually affects a virtual fight between those two, unless you want to assume, that they go PIS all over the place and whack at each other, affected by some emotional delusion, in which case Anakin would still win. [/B]
Achilles wasn't in direct combat with anyone and was seeing to the aid of his slave whorish girlfriend.
Anakin being defeated because he's stupid is completely different than someone shooting an arrow into your foot while your seeing to your property.
I fail to see, why I should continue a debate with a person totally ignorant towards the topic he tries to talk about. The person you deem "inferior with a lightsaber", was one of the best lightsaber combatants the order had in the respective time frame, which is evident by the fact alone, that they chose Kenobi to deal with General Grievous. I also don't know how you conclude that Anakin is superior with a lightsaber to Kenobi. You do realize, that in their fight they look pretty much equal and the only other fight to judge the characters from was the fight against Dooku, in which Dooku offed Kenobi with force attacks - not by outduelling him.
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Obi admits Anakin is superior to him. You acting like I am ignorant is more projecting. Anakin was a problem and wasn't fully trusted at that point which is a good call. Dooku took care of him rather easily both fights. Anakin is superior with a saber and Obi ready admits his inferiority. The mere fact Anakin loses shows how combat stupid he is.
So, thanks for - once again - basing your "argument" on a
false assumption and making yourself look like an idiot.
Apparently, you need a lecture about Anakin's abilities, because you clearly unable to comprehend them:[list]
[*]as a nine year old, Anakin participated in one of the most dangerous sports in the Galaxy, that was based upon navigating vehicles moving with almost sonic speed on ground level through rather narrow race tracks. He was, in fact, the only human being in the Galaxy capable of participating in that sport, due to his superhuman reflexes (based on his accurate precognition).
[*]being impressed with said abilities, Qui-Gon performs medi-chlorian testing on Anakin, with the result being that he is the potentially most powerful force user the Jedi Order has seen so far.
[*]he "luckily" takes out pretty much the entire Trade Federation droid army on Naboo by destroying their command ship. This may seem like an incident, but if we have to trust on screen evidence, then, according to Obi-Wan Kenobi in "A new hope", there is nothing like "luck". Instead, an unusual amount of luck is testament to a high affinity to the force.
[*]being 19 years old, he was capable of using his lightsaber with such accuracy, that he was capable of cutting through two objects on a human body with his blade, without even touching the body on which said objects lied (Neph has already served you the corresponding on screen evidence)
[*]right after this scene, he jumps out of the speeder him and Obi-Wan are using and accurately predicts the exact millisecond in which he has to jump, in order to catch the speeder of the assassin several hundret feets below.
[*]by this, he already demonstrates superhuman speed and durability. If you don't get what I mean, try to get a grip on a car moving at maximum speed, after having dropped several hundred feet down to it. Any human trying something like that, will be killed by the fall, or has his arm torn out in the process.
[*]when he learns that his mother has died in a Tusken camp, he proceeds to slaughter the entire village. While you may want to chalk that up to the "fodder" he killed, those Tusken happen to be rather dangerous warriors, given the demonstrations of their aim in TPM and the lessons of Obi-Wan in ANH.
[*]he then survives the battle in the arena of Geonosis - which is impressive enough, provided the position he started that battle from.
[*]he managed to keep up with one of the most powerful Jedi Masters gone Sith. A unique fencer, with eight decades of training with a lightsaber.
[*]in RotS he slaughters more "fodder" on his way to Dooku and on his way to Grievous.
[*]he defeats the aforementioned Jedi Master gone Sith with eight decades of training in saber combat.
[*]he slaughters much of the population of the Jedi Temple, including, but not limited to, Jedi Master Cin Drallig, one of the best combatants the Jedi order had, facing several other Jedi at the same time.
[*]with likewise lack of effort, he slaughters the seperatist council, exhibiting the ability to accurately deflect blasterfire, coming in from behind his back, without even looking
[*]he goes toe to toe with one of the most skilled lightsaber wielders of his order (Obi-Wan) in one of the most intense battles in the saga.
[*]when he loses this, he somehow manages to survive getting both legs and an arm cut off, getting incinerated, and lying right next to a lava river. If you know, how freaking hot lava is, he again demonstrates an inhuman amount of durability and ability to take pain here.
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Those are the feats that apply here and even if we would assume, that your invented feats for Achilles would have happened, Anakin would be still head and shoulders above the Greek warrior, due to the fact that he does possess superhuman reflexes, strength, speed and precognition. [/B]
You gave a rather detailed mainly pointless rant about Anakin's feats. We all know his feats and his losses against Dooku twice and Obi is rather apparent. The rest is window dressing in which you really adjective up his meaningless feats and try to hype them into wow this guy might have a chance against Doctor Manhattan he's that formidable.