Achilles vs. Darth Vader (ROTS pre suit)

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Originally posted by Robtard
I heard Brad Pitt doesn't brush his teeth every day.

There are far grosser things.

Actually, I'm not really a Pitt fan... I prefer tough manly men to pretty boys.

Christian Bale, Jensen Ackles, Clive Owen.

Any of whom [I'd like to say] would trounce Achilles, because Achilles would want to fight them to prove his manly man-ness.

And we all know where that ends...

Originally posted by Nephthys
What about the time Achilles refused to fight because Agamemnon was mean to him? It cost hundreds of lives all because he was having a hissy fit.
He didn't have any respect for his king who didn't have any respect for him along with any of his men or even his brother. That's called not being a puppet which Anakin had down pat in service to the emperor. I guess being a puppet impresses you. Wow.


Anakin defeated Dooku twice, and Dooku is the most skilled duelist in the movies according to George Lucas and Nick Gillard, the fight choreographer. So yeah, Anakin has. [/B]
No, he only defeated him once. Dooku defeated Anakin twice in the clones. Dooku isn't greater than Yoda, Windu, or Palpatine try and be serious for once.


Of course you don't. thats why you never claimed that Achilles blocked arrows with his sword, or that him deflecting a spear counts as superstrength, or that putting a shield on his back counts as precognition and awareness above that of someone who can sense things in other rooms, see the future and jump out of a flying car and land on a flying car a mile blow him driving at about a hundred miles per hour.

ALL HAIL THE VOICE OF REASON! [/B]

All of what he did makes it easy to see the guy was capable of superhuman feats including strength, skill, battle awareness, etc. Anakin jumped to attack an inferior opponent who warned him it would lose him the fight. What precision what skill. Just call me Voice or Reason.


Obi-Wan was blocking attacks from a cyborg that was strong enough to dent a space ships hull with his fist. Oh and:

YouTube video

At 1.08 Anakin does overpower him. 😉 [/B]

Obi wasn't anywhere near as strong as he was and needed a weapon to best him. Don't try comparing Obi's strength to Grievous' now. Yes, he does briefly in which Obi gets right out of. Weak sauce.


No he isn't. When he defeated Dooku he was fine. [/B]
Yes, he did defeat Dooku after losing twice years prior and due to channeling his rage into killing an inferior opponent. Didn't work against Obi.


He'd been fighting for half an hour on top of a river of magma! Though if you think Anakin has superhuman stamina thats fine by me.

I'm not seing any proof. Just you waffling on as usual.

People don't laugh out of fear and desperation. 😐

They laugh out of derision. 😉 [/B]

So had Obi. They were tired not about to pass out. Obi is level headed whereas Anakin isn't. That's what you want so be it. Yes, it's 'an awkward laugh because you are clearly outmatched.

The Voice of reason wins yet another.

Originally posted by Robtard
The time-stamp on the posts don't lie, you silly retarded clown. It's okay though, if I were you debating me, I'd dodge me too. Moving on.

Let's get real though, the second Achilles sees Vader standing there with his golden hand, burning sword and having the Force at his disposal, Achilles will think Vader's one of the gods; likely Ares and will instantly drop to his knees and worship. This is how it ends, Achilles worshiping Vader.

You get so emotional. You also repeat yourself but what else would I expect.

What did Achilles do to the statue of Apollo ? Yeah, unlike you I cite what's in character whereas you rant based out of personal bias.

Anakin would probably ask him if he could help save that whore, Padme.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You get so emotional. You also repeat yourself but what else would I expect.

What did Achilles do to the statue of Apollo ? Yeah, unlike you I cite what's in character whereas you rant based out of personal bias.

Anakin would probably ask him if he could help save that whore, Padme.

Says the guy who spends 90% of his time crying and arguing ad nauseum points in here.

LoL, Vader is not some inanimate statue. What an idiot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't have any respect for his king who didn't have any respect for him along with any of his men or even his brother. That's called not being a puppet which Anakin had down pat in service to the emperor. I guess being a puppet impresses you. Wow.

FWOOSH!

Thats the sound of my point going over your head.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he only defeated him once. Dooku defeated Anakin twice in the clones. Dooku isn't greater than Yoda, Windu, or Palpatine try and be serious for once.

You've obviously never seen the Clone Wars movie, where Anakin duels Dooku and puts him on his ass at the end of it.

And in the duel on Geonosis Dooku and Yoda were relativly evenly matched.

Originally posted by quanchi112
All of what he did makes it easy to see the guy was capable of superhuman feats including strength, skill, battle awareness, etc. Anakin jumped to attack an inferior opponent who warned him it would lose him the fight. What precision what skill. Just call me Voice or Reason.

Nope. As usual you are inventing feats and overhyping shit. Anakin has superhuman abilities beyond Achilles. Seriously, how does Achilles deal with Force Speed? Anakins lightsaber will be bisecting him before he can flick his perfectly styled hair out of his eyes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Obi wasn't anywhere near as strong as he was and needed a weapon to best him. Don't try comparing Obi's strength to Grievous' now. Yes, he does briefly in which Obi gets right out of. Weak sauce.

Obi-Wan was able to block Grievous' blows. Anakin not overpowering him does make him weak because Obi-Wan has already demonstrated the ability to deal with superstrong opponants like Grievous.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he did defeat Dooku after losing twice years prior and due to channeling his rage into killing an inferior opponent. Didn't work against Obi.

So you admit Anakin defeated a swordsman beyond Achilles? Excellent.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So had Obi. They were tired not about to pass out. Obi is level headed whereas Anakin isn't. That's what you want so be it. Yes, it's 'an awkward laugh because you are clearly outmatched.

The Voice of reason wins yet another.

Wins another what? Another round of failing? Its not hard Quan, you're the only one participating in that game.

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Never heard that one. Source?

Originally posted by Borbarad
How, tell me, would Achilles catch Anakin unaware, when he is the only thing Anakin has to focus on because the two are engaging in a duel? Did I miss the part of the opening post, that says Achilles sneaks up to Anakin, with the latter meditating and not giving a damn about his surrounding and the fight starts in the split second before Achilles puts his spear or sword through Anakin? Because that would be the only situation, in which Achilles could hope to win this.
Anakin was caught unaware of attacking Obi in which Obi even warned him. Do you pay attention at all ? Why must I leep on repeating myself. Anakin also focused on Dooku yet ran wildly right into force lightning. Precog's like unbeatable, right ? Nah, Achilles would pwn him and ride off with his broken body strapped to his chariot.

And yes. Precog has failed. I've explained to you - en detail - how and why. You remain ignorant to those facts and keep repeating your already defeated arguments, because you can't accept that Achilles is nowhere close to the combat abilities of a Jedi Knight, especially not one like Anakin Skywalker.
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Yes, and you can't get past the times it has failed in humiliating fashion. The guy in this thread jumped at Obi despite his opponent saying you can't win with Obi having the higher ground. Precog failed.


It showed, and I hate to repeat myself, somebody with A HUGE AMOUNT OF FIREPOWER being able to ESCAPE from a Jedi, given that Obi-Wan clearly survived the fight, in which he didn't even want to kill Jango. This still is an example of the - aforementioned - ability to "defeat" Jedi through use of superior firepower, and your attempt to gloss over it doesn't change that fact.[/B]
It showed an inferior opponent almost best Obi who is clearly superior skill wise despite Obi's precog.


Again, your use of double-standards is outright hilarious. So he does stupid things which lose him fights? That's funny. Because I remember somebody kneeling down to the ground in the midst of a city raid and mass slaughter, which resulted in him being riddled with arrows? So is Achilles even more stupid than Anakin? I don't see how this actually affects a virtual fight between those two, unless you want to assume, that they go PIS all over the place and whack at each other, affected by some emotional delusion, in which case Anakin would still win. [/B]
Achilles wasn't in direct combat with anyone and was seeing to the aid of his slave whorish girlfriend.

Anakin being defeated because he's stupid is completely different than someone shooting an arrow into your foot while your seeing to your property.

I fail to see, why I should continue a debate with a person totally ignorant towards the topic he tries to talk about. The person you deem "inferior with a lightsaber", was one of the best lightsaber combatants the order had in the respective time frame, which is evident by the fact alone, that they chose Kenobi to deal with General Grievous. I also don't know how you conclude that Anakin is superior with a lightsaber to Kenobi. You do realize, that in their fight they look pretty much equal and the only other fight to judge the characters from was the fight against Dooku, in which Dooku offed Kenobi with force attacks - not by outduelling him.
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Obi admits Anakin is superior to him. You acting like I am ignorant is more projecting. Anakin was a problem and wasn't fully trusted at that point which is a good call. Dooku took care of him rather easily both fights. Anakin is superior with a saber and Obi ready admits his inferiority. The mere fact Anakin loses shows how combat stupid he is.
So, thanks for - once again - basing your "argument" on a false assumption and making yourself look like an idiot.


Apparently, you need a lecture about Anakin's abilities, because you clearly unable to comprehend them:

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[*]as a nine year old, Anakin participated in one of the most dangerous sports in the Galaxy, that was based upon navigating vehicles moving with almost sonic speed on ground level through rather narrow race tracks. He was, in fact, the only human being in the Galaxy capable of participating in that sport, due to his superhuman reflexes (based on his accurate precognition).
[*]being impressed with said abilities, Qui-Gon performs medi-chlorian testing on Anakin, with the result being that he is the potentially most powerful force user the Jedi Order has seen so far.
[*]he "luckily" takes out pretty much the entire Trade Federation droid army on Naboo by destroying their command ship. This may seem like an incident, but if we have to trust on screen evidence, then, according to Obi-Wan Kenobi in "A new hope", there is nothing like "luck". Instead, an unusual amount of luck is testament to a high affinity to the force.
[*]being 19 years old, he was capable of using his lightsaber with such accuracy, that he was capable of cutting through two objects on a human body with his blade, without even touching the body on which said objects lied (Neph has already served you the corresponding on screen evidence)
[*]right after this scene, he jumps out of the speeder him and Obi-Wan are using and accurately predicts the exact millisecond in which he has to jump, in order to catch the speeder of the assassin several hundret feets below.
[*]by this, he already demonstrates superhuman speed and durability. If you don't get what I mean, try to get a grip on a car moving at maximum speed, after having dropped several hundred feet down to it. Any human trying something like that, will be killed by the fall, or has his arm torn out in the process.
[*]when he learns that his mother has died in a Tusken camp, he proceeds to slaughter the entire village. While you may want to chalk that up to the "fodder" he killed, those Tusken happen to be rather dangerous warriors, given the demonstrations of their aim in TPM and the lessons of Obi-Wan in ANH.
[*]he then survives the battle in the arena of Geonosis - which is impressive enough, provided the position he started that battle from.
[*]he managed to keep up with one of the most powerful Jedi Masters gone Sith. A unique fencer, with eight decades of training with a lightsaber.
[*]in RotS he slaughters more "fodder" on his way to Dooku and on his way to Grievous.
[*]he defeats the aforementioned Jedi Master gone Sith with eight decades of training in saber combat.
[*]he slaughters much of the population of the Jedi Temple, including, but not limited to, Jedi Master Cin Drallig, one of the best combatants the Jedi order had, facing several other Jedi at the same time.
[*]with likewise lack of effort, he slaughters the seperatist council, exhibiting the ability to accurately deflect blasterfire, coming in from behind his back, without even looking
[*]he goes toe to toe with one of the most skilled lightsaber wielders of his order (Obi-Wan) in one of the most intense battles in the saga.
[*]when he loses this, he somehow manages to survive getting both legs and an arm cut off, getting incinerated, and lying right next to a lava river. If you know, how freaking hot lava is, he again demonstrates an inhuman amount of durability and ability to take pain here.
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Those are the feats that apply here and even if we would assume, that your invented feats for Achilles would have happened, Anakin would be still head and shoulders above the Greek warrior, due to the fact that he does possess superhuman reflexes, strength, speed and precognition. [/B]

You gave a rather detailed mainly pointless rant about Anakin's feats. We all know his feats and his losses against Dooku twice and Obi is rather apparent. The rest is window dressing in which you really adjective up his meaningless feats and try to hype them into wow this guy might have a chance against Doctor Manhattan he's that formidable.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Who cares?
Even Jedi padawans are regarded as unparalleled warriors within the Star Wars galaxy, with the Jedi Knights and Masters being above them, and with the likes of Anakin and Obi-Wan among the most skilled Jedi Masters. So they are the elite of a group of elite warriors, which belongs to an order of warriors with legendary skills. Skills not only present, just because of the Jedi using the Force, but also because each and everyone of them is trained from infancy on in the use of the lightsaber and the Force. The Jedi order is the Star Wars equivalent of Sparta in Ancient Greek.
Ok, but out of all of the empires of earth in Troy Achilles stood alone. Anakin wasn't looking down on everyone else like Achilles was out of his era' or movies respective elite warriors.


You still fail to understand the fact that Obi-Wan is as superhuman as Anakin is. Achilles, on the other hand, is not. He is a very well trained human being, granted - better than anybody else, yet, he is still no superhuman. He would be baffled by a Jedi's speed, "reflexes", fighting skills and precognition. He can't keep up with that, no matter how hard he would try.[/B]
Achilles is superhuman as well. No one ever could pull off the feats Achilles does with ease while in combat you are trying to downplay Achilles feats. They are very much superhuman. He's skilled enough to parry a saber's attacks with his sword and shield.


*facepalm*
The Jedi, according to Dooku, faced an army of droids outnumbering them one hundred to one maybe even 1000 to one. Where is the compareable enemy force in Achilles taking of the beach? Correct: It doesn't exists. Then again: How does it even matter. We're not discussing a virtual king of the beach contest here, but a fight to the death between just those two opponents. [/B]
You're just guessing now. Achilles is far better general in battle than Anakin but that's just one more thing he's better at.


Can it be, that all those examples happened against force users? What were the rules for defeating a force user again? Ah...yes. Having a huge amount of firepower or BEING A FORCE USER YOURSELF. 🙄

You're trying to downplay precog, because you know that Achilles stands no chance against it. Not that it matters, because Anakin's other feats alone put him far above human beings like Achilles. [/B]

Wrong. We've seen single shots hit them. We've also seen force users telegraph their attacks in which jedi have no been able to react despite their precog.

Achilles battle awareness is all he needs here. To casually knock spears out of the air while blocking arrows while engaging in sword fights right in front of you is proof enough.


I can assure you, that there is only person that causes me to "laugh my ass off" with my German friends here, and that would be you. It's also nice that you're bold enough to cast judgements on me, based on a few post in an internet forum - without even knowing the context. Did you acquire that kind of social competence along the way to your 60,000+ postings here? The sheer hilarity of proclaiming that I am "into my hype", when you run around here, presuming that you're a great debater, when just bringing bullshit to the table was too much, though. You shouldn't presume to be a vampire, just because you suck. 🙂 [/B]
I was just kidding about you having a large number of german friends though so slow down. I post a lot. You don't. I'm a better debater. You're not. Hey don't worry if it wasn't for people like you people like me wouldn't stand out.

This is a debate between you and Borbarad, but I can't help but respond to that last post.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, but out of all of the empires of earth in Troy Achilles stood alone. Anakin wasn't looking down on everyone else like Achilles was out of his era' or movies respective elite warriors.

"Of all empires of earth in Troy"?

What?

You mean Mycenae and a coalition of Greek states vs. the city-state of Troy?

Not exactly "all empires of earth"...

And Anakin was one the the best warriors in the entire galaxy...

Achilles is superhuman as well. No one ever could pull off the feats Achilles does with ease while in combat you are trying to downplay Achilles feats. They are very much superhuman. He's skilled enough to parry a saber's attacks with his sword and shield.

I haven't been reading this thread closely, but what exactly are the "superhuman" feats of Achilles?

You're just guessing now. Achilles is far better general in battle than Anakin but that's just one more thing he's better at.

I'm pretty sure the point was that the Jedi faced much more difficult opposition against blaster-firing droids that massively outnumbered them, which is definitely more impressive than storming a beach of archers who aren't outnumbering the Mymidons 100, or 1000-1.

And if you didn't know, Skywalker was known as the "Hero with No Fear," a moniker given to him for his exploits in the Clone Wars. He became a poster boy for Republic. There is a reason why Grievous says to Skywalker in ROTS: "Anakin Skywalker, I was expecting someone of your reputation to be a bit...older."

Wrong. We've seen single shots hit them. We've also seen force users telegraph their attacks in which jedi have no been able to react despite their precog.

Achilles battle awareness is all he needs here. To casually knock spears out of the air while blocking arrows while engaging in sword fights right in front of you is proof enough.

Where exactly is this "battle awareness"?

Perhaps, like Borbarad, you should provide a list of Achilles feats hmm?

Originally posted by Korto Vos
If Anakin has precognition, how does he lose this fight?

Truth.

However, he doesn't have precog. The OP says "no force powers".

That makes me think that he won't even be able to properly wield a lightsaber anymore because he's used to using it as a force user, not a layman.

The whole "gyroscoping" effect and everything...

So, I say Achilles wins 10 out of 10 times.

Basically, what the thread starter did was remove Vader's ability to know how to use a lightsaber by removing his force abilities. He would have to relearn how to use it without the force. 😬

I want to see the thread amended to allow for force powers. But a new thread would have to be created with the Mod's approval.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Truth.

However, he doesn't have precog. The OP says "no force powers".

That makes me think that he won't even be able to properly wield a lightsaber anymore because he's used to using it as a force user, not a layman.

The whole "gyroscoping" effect and everything...

So, I say Achilles wins 10 out of 10 times.

Basically, what the thread starter did was remove Vader's ability to know how to use a lightsaber by removing his force abilities. He would have to relearn how to use it without the force. 😬

I want to see the thread amended to allow for force powers. But a new thread would have to be created with the Mod's approval.

It seems Quanchi meant Anakin won't be able to use Force moves such as Push, Pull, or Choke. But Anakin still has his Force-fueled physical prowess and lightsaber skill.

Erm...I guess precognition is part of his physical prowess (how he used it to help him win the podrace)

Originally posted by Nephthys
YouTube video

Oh look, Anakin and Obi-Wan easily deflecting spears (or equivilent).

lol

I was going to post that (I'm reading the whole thread, right now) but saw this post.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
It seems Quanchi meant Anakin won't be able to use Force moves such as Push, Pull, or Choke. But Anakin still has his Force-fueled physical prowess and lightsaber skill.

Erm...I guess precognition is part of his physical prowess (how he used it to help him win the podrace)

That may be what he meant, but he screwed up the OP (which is the law for this thread).

I want to see another thread made, really.

As it's being argued, no force TK?

In that case, 10/10 for Anakin. With ease...without effort.

Originally posted by Robtard
We also see Jango try the same exact maneuver on Mace a short time later; but it completely fails. Seems Battle-Precog scales with a Jedi's skill/mastery of the Force.

This, and while it gets quite stupid with Anakin's defeat against Obi-Wan, there no exceptions that come to mind (even the Yod and Sidious stuff the SW haters like to bring up. My opinion on that is that they both knew it would happen when it did but chose to avoid it to play off of each other's skills).

Originally posted by quanchi112
That along with throwing a spear is superhuman. Humans can't casually do so like he did in the movie Troy.

Wait, I remember something about that.

Do you have a vid of that throw?

If I remember that scene properly, yes, Achilles would be superhuman. Very superhuman, in fact. Show me the vid and I can help support your case.

Originally posted by Robtard
Non sequitur response yet again, good job.

Get your own lines, bub. uhuh

Originally posted by Nephthys
I think casually kicking your ass while using a second language is pretty impressive yes. Though really its his detailed and eloquent logic that impresses me.

I, as well. He argued for HP peeps long before it was "safe" to do so...and quite masterfully. He accomplished, with the same points that RJ used, in one post what RJ couldn't do for dozens of pages. 313

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Never heard that one. Source?

I, as well.

Neph

Seriously, what's the source?

Originally posted by Robtard
Says the guy who spends 90% of his time crying and arguing ad nauseum points in here.

LoL, Vader is not some inanimate statue. What an idiot.

Vader is a guy prone to mistakes even obvious ones against skilled opponents. Achilles isn't ruled by his emotions and fear like Vader is.
Originally posted by Nephthys
FWOOSH!

Thats the sound of my point going over your head.

You've obviously never seen the Clone Wars movie, where Anakin duels Dooku and puts him on his ass at the end of it.

And in the duel on Geonosis Dooku and Yoda were relativly evenly matched.

Nope. As usual you are inventing feats and overhyping shit. Anakin has superhuman abilities beyond Achilles. Seriously, how does Achilles deal with Force Speed? Anakins lightsaber will be bisecting him before he can flick his perfectly styled hair out of his eyes.

Obi-Wan was able to block Grievous' blows. Anakin not overpowering him does make him weak because Obi-Wan has already demonstrated the ability to deal with superstrong opponants like Grievous.

So you admit Anakin defeated a swordsman beyond Achilles? Excellent.

Wins another what? Another round of failing? Its not hard Quan, you're the only one participating in that game.

Your point was stupid.

Yoda was definitely his superior hence him fleeing the scene out of cowardice.

Achilles' awesome skill will definitely ward off Anakin's attacks. Watch Troy you can see him toy with highly skilled warriors if you don't believe me. Jango Fett can also give Obi a run for his money yet no force powers and someone of notable skill.

Obi shows he isn't anywhere near Grievous in terms of strength. That was obvious when he hit him. It's not even close nor did Obi have anything resembling super strength against Anakin and vice versa. Two scrubby boys wrestling around.

No, I admitted he defeated Dooku not that Dooku is beyond Achilles.

Uhm, you use double standards left and right somehow being tired or fatigued only affects Anakin's judgment not Obi's.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
This is a debate between you and Borbarad, but I can't help but respond to that last post.

"Of all empires of earth in Troy"?

[B]What?

You mean Mycenae and a coalition of Greek states vs. the city-state of Troy?

Not exactly "all empires of earth"...[/B]

These were the elite empires in the movie. It was pretty clear Achilles was by far the best warrior on the planet. Second place was a mountain away from him in terms of skill and awareness.

And Anakin was one the the best warriors in the entire galaxy...[/B]
And he lost to Obi as well. With regards to the elite he was far from the top.


I haven't been reading this thread closely, but what exactly are the "superhuman" feats of Achilles?
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I posted a youtube link a bit ago. I can't remember which thread.


I'm pretty sure the point was that the Jedi faced much more difficult opposition against blaster-firing droids that massively outnumbered them, which is definitely more impressive than storming a beach of archers who aren't outnumbering the Mymidons 100, or 1000-1.

And if you didn't know, Skywalker was known as the "Hero with No Fear," a moniker given to him for his exploits in the Clone Wars. He became a poster boy for Republic. There is a reason why Grievous says to Skywalker in ROTS: "Anakin Skywalker, I was expecting someone of your reputation to be a bit...older."

Where exactly is this "battle awareness"?

Perhaps, like Borbarad, you should provide a list of Achilles feats hmm? [/B]

Achilles numbers weren't impressive but the point is he easily won. Anakin needed superior numbers which tipped the scales of battle in his side's favor.

Yes, Anakin just like Achilles stomps through canon fodder so there's no real advantage there.

When you see the youtube video he knows and can parry attacks coming from different angles while fighting off people in sword fights as well.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Wait, I remember something about that.

Do you have a vid of that throw?

If I remember that scene properly, yes, Achilles would be superhuman. Very superhuman, in fact. Show me the vid and I can help support your case.

Get your own lines, bub. uhuh

I, as well. He argued for HP peeps long before it was "safe" to do so...and quite masterfully. He accomplished, with the same points that RJ used, in one post what RJ couldn't do for dozens of pages. 313

I, as well.

I might look for his feats on youtube and post them all up if I have the time and energy it was a long day.

Originally posted by quanchi112
These were the elite empires in the movie. It was pretty clear Achilles was by far the best warrior on the planet. Second place was a mountain away from him in terms of skill and awareness.
And he lost to Obi as well. With regards to the elite he was far from the top.

No, you have nothing to make such an assumption. If they were contemporaries, I could argue that Arjuna was the greatest warrior on earth. Nevertheless, I will admit Achilles was far superior to the rest of his peers.

And "far from the top." No...his loss was a combination of a severely wracked mental state + Lucas PIS .

While in "teh zone!," he thrashed Dooku. In this state, he's just behind Yoda, Mace, and Sidious, making him literally the fourth most powerful warrior in an entire galaxy (Do you understand what I'm saying? Galaxy much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much bigger than the Earth).

I posted a youtube link a bit ago. I can't remember which thread.

Lovely...want to tell me what the "superhuman" feat was?

Achilles numbers weren't impressive but the point is he easily won. Anakin needed superior numbers which tipped the scales of battle in his side's favor.

Achilles had his Mymidons. Even if Anakin had other Jedi, they were "impossibly outnumbered," as Dooku stated, by blaster-fire wielding droids (y'know, guns fire bullets faster than arrows fire arrows). I don't understand what you mean by "superior numbers," when clearly the Separatists had many, many more droids.

Yes, Anakin just like Achilles stomps through canon fodder so there's no real advantage there.

That's not where I was getting at. You made a claim that Achilles was a better general, and I was telling you that Anakin became legendary because of his heroics in the Clone Wars.

When you see the youtube video he knows and can parry attacks coming from different angles while fighting off people in sword fights as well.

Where is this video?

And how is this any more impressive than Anakin blocking blaster fire from droids in any direction. Or Obi-Wan and Yoda against elite Clones in the Jedi Temple.

Even if you could argue that Achilles has natural battle instinct that comes as limited precognition, Anakin's is much more developed and advanced.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I might look for his feats on youtube and post them all up if I have the time and energy it was a long day.

You had better look it up (when you're not tired), or else. uhuh

Here DDM and Korto

http://en.vidivodo.com/224899/achilles-leads-the-myrmidons