Thor VS Wolverine (With a Red Lantern Ring)

Originally posted by Starscream M
jake, logan could withstand thor's normal blows even without the aura....the aura just gives his hf a chance to kick in. logan has fought hulk, a being more powerful than thor, and held his ground. so its not like he's completely out of thor's class in terms of durability.

and if logan gets one swipe across thor's face, the god of thunder will be blind...what then? thats far more likely than thor beating logan with rain.

His normal trying to talk some sense into Logan while still having the frame of mind to hold back blows, yeah. You don't even know how much of a boost said aura will give him. More powerful than Thor? Stronger physically, once he gets pissed off enough. In terms of power output, versatility, the scope in which Thor can effect the battle field, definitely not. And Hulk held back, too.

He swiped Thor's face once. It gave him kitty scratches.

So you're going to assume Logan attacks first and critically wounds Thor before vice versa? You're the guy who refused to accept that Thor's powers transcends the laws of nature. He has more options outside of the rain you're attempting to write off as PIS or non-sensical. He can absorb the rage filled energies of Logan's ring, basically reducing him back to his normal state. He can hit him with lightning capable of damaging cosmic entities beyond what that little mutant can muster. He can hit with titanic class 100+ power at speeds far greater than light with a single Mjolnir toss. He can dump him into the heart of a star. He can omniblast Wolverine. He can make shields and whirlwinds capable of defending against every single possible attack Wolverine could possible throw at him.

Thor has so so many options in this fight. And it's still stuff he's done plenty of times in the comics, not just one off single instances of plot device powers or seldom used ones such as the God Blast.

You're essentially assuming Thor is going to stand there and let Logan fly at him and mess him up while assuming he won't bother to use his advantages against him while also assuming Logan will indefinitely tank everything he's hit with and heal easily at that.

Your scenario isn't likely. At all.

Originally posted by Starscream M
jake, logan could withstand thor's normal blows even without the aura....the aura just gives his hf a chance to kick in. logan has fought hulk, a being more powerful than thor, and held his ground. so its not like he's completely out of thor's class in terms of durability.

and if logan gets one swipe across thor's face, the god of thunder will be blind...what then? thats far more likely than thor beating logan with rain.

...This isn't going to be pretty.

Originally posted by -Pr-
...This isn't going to be pretty.

It wasn't.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It wasn't.

Was just about to say that lol.

I'm honestly flabbergasted by this thread, to be frank. Or well, more accurately, the idea that Wolverine gets a majority versus Thor with a Red Lantern ring, let alone some massive one.

Do people think a Red Lantern Wolverine would beat Superman? Or Silver Surfer? Or Hal Jordan? I hope to all that's good and holy that they wouldn't, but who the hell knows when Wolverithmatics are involved.

Threads like this are ridiculous because one of the following will happen:

A.) Giving a character an amp they've never used somehow translates into them using the amp on par with an "expert".

B.) People can't even be bothered to use actual on panel evidence of what said amp could feasibly give the character.

C.) People don't even know what the hell the amp does in the first place to begin with.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
His normal trying to talk some sense into Logan while still having the frame of mind to hold back blows, yeah. You don't even know how much of a boost said aura will give him. More powerful than Thor? Stronger physically, once he gets pissed off enough. In terms of power output, versatility, the scope in which Thor can effect the battle field, definitely not. And Hulk held back, too.

He swiped Thor's face once. It gave him kitty scratches.

So you're going to assume Logan attacks first and critically wounds Thor before vice versa? You're the guy who refused to accept that Thor's powers transcends the laws of nature. He has more options outside of the rain you're attempting to write off as PIS or non-sensical. He can absorb the rage filled energies of Logan's ring, basically reducing him back to his normal state. He can hit him with lightning capable of damaging cosmic entities beyond what that little mutant can muster. He can hit with titanic class 100+ power at speeds far greater than light with a single Mjolnir toss. He can dump him into the heart of a star. He can omniblast Wolverine. He can make shields and whirlwinds capable of defending against every single possible attack Wolverine could possible throw at him.

Thor has so so many options in this fight. And it's still stuff he's done plenty of times in the comics, not just one off single instances of plot device powers or seldom used ones such as the God Blast.

You're essentially assuming Thor is going to stand there and let Logan fly at him and mess him up while assuming he won't bother to use his advantages against him while also assuming Logan will indefinitely tank everything he's hit with and heal easily at that.

Your scenario isn't likely. At all.

thor is a brawler...he relishes getting in fisticuffs...and that'll be a costly mistake against a red lantern logan

sure, thor CAN be versatile...but he isn't going to use his versatility off the bat.

logan is ruthless and in berserker mode and will go for the blinding slash as his FIRST move, whereas thor will try to engage with the hammer melee as first option far before he tries any of the other fancy tactics....which unfortunately might be too late

Originally posted by -Pr-
...This isn't going to be pretty.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah I'm ripping jake a new one 🙂

Well when you get started, let me know.

Originally posted by Starscream M
is thor getting a brain transplant from Dr. Doom in your scenario?

thor is a brawler...he relishes getting in fisticuffs...and that'll be a costly mistake against a red lantern logan

sure, thor CAN be versatile...but he isn't going to use his versatility off the bat.

logan is ruthless and in berserker mode and will go for the blinding slash as his FIRST move, whereas thor will try to engage with the hammer melee as first option far before he tries any of the other fancy tactics....which unfortunately might be too late

Like I said, if I wanted to use exclusive High-End feats from Thor, this fight turns into a one sided beat down. Bringing Doom into this only further makes this a hilarious spite stomp. I'm sure Doom has more important things to do than to use Thor's power set to stomp that little midget into the ground. Also psssst...

Doom doesn't need Thor's powers to beat Red Lantern Wolverine for the majority either. No reason to handicap him, after all.

Yeah, Thor brawls often. It won't end pretty for any Lantern in a brawling situation against Thor barring Sodam Yat or Mon-El or something. Again, you're somehow grossly over exaggerating what a RL ring brings to the table, but that's not a surprise considering you've already displayed a heaping helping of general ignorance when it comes to the characters involved in this thread.

Thor's versatile, period. When the situation calls for it, he uses his powers. He has a history of invoking storms and utilizing Mjolnir against his enemies. Why wouldn't he against Wolverine? Because he'd then clearly beat his ass down into the dirt and it wouldn't be "fair"?

Seeing as you're far from the authority on Thor, I'd say you're wrong if you think Thor is just going to let Wolverine dictate the pace of the match. Hell, even if he goes melee, considering he wouldn't be holding back and Wolverine would be just as rational as he was in their previous "fight" (ie. not at all due to his beserker rage coupled with the Red Lantern ring's influence), Thor would still beat his brains in. You think Wolverine is going to be some cosmic ninja warrior with a power ring? Lol.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah I'm ripping jake a new one 🙂

Originally posted by -Pr-
Well when you get started, let me know.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

biscuits

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BTW:

Originally posted by Raoul
[B]Clarification of CIS

Ok people, here are the finalised rules as regards PIS, CIS, and everything related to it.

PIS is, as always, off unless the thread starter says it's ON.

CIS, as was said before, is now a more diverse term, but is not as vague as before.

While CIS still exists in the form of characters like Rhino (who are just too stupid to know better), it also exists in one other form.

This is known as Character Inhibited Power. This applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth.

As Bada said:

"It's a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold."

What this means is that people like the Surfer and Superman and so on will not use the full extent of their powers if it will endanger civilians. It doesn't, though, mean they will fight like idiots. The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them.

In accordance with this, several factors come in to play in debates:

The Opponent, Basic Information, the Arena and the Character's Personality and Experience

Those four are key.

Example:

If Martian Manhunter fights say, Juggernaut.

MM doesn't personally know Juggernaut (Opponent). So he has Basic Information. This is categorised as being what the general public would know about the Juggernaut. It goes by averages. If that average man or woman on the street knows that Juggernaut is super strong, then MM knows. The average man or woman doesn't know, however, that the Juggernaut is weak against psionics. J'onn would approach with caution, not knowing whether Juggernaut was in his weight class, and not knowing the full extent of the man's powers.

However. If Martian Manhunter went up against Amazo, he would know to go for broke right at the start, because he KNOWS Amazo (Personality and Experience). He will use his speed, his strength, his shapeshifting. This is because if he knows what it takes to bring down Amazo, or he believes his standard attacks won't work. If J'onn was fighting Juggernaut, there would come a point when he would realise that normal attacks won't work, and would up his game. Any character that doesn't suffer from Rhino-esque stupidity is capable of this. Even with this, though, the Arena comes in to play. If civilians are in danger, J'onn won't shapeshift in to a fire breathing dragon. Juggernaut on the other hand doesn't care, so wouldn't hesitate to toss cars and trucks full of civilians at the Martian.

Examples:

Thor knows he can't out-brawl Hulk, so uses exotic powers sooner than he would against the likes of Superman, as Superman is an unknown to him.

Superman would go all out against Doomsday or Despero because he knows how powerful they are. Against the Hulk, he's going to take a few punches before realising he'll have to use something rather than slugging it out. He won't bathe the street in heat vision either, because there are civilians nearby.

It ALL comes down to the CHARACTER, not the POWERSET. [/B]

Just, y'know...

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah I'm ripping jake a new one 🙂

Where? 😕

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah I'm ripping jake a new one 🙂

To quote Mr. Mackey.

Drugs are bad mmmkay.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
A.) Giving a character an amp they've never used somehow translates into them using the amp on par with an "expert".

Originally posted by wildernesss
Thor VS Wolverine (With a Red Lantern Ring)

No prep. No bfr. logan enters fight in a berserker rage & knows how to use the ring expertly. fight is on Utopia.

Originally posted by wildernesss
Thor VS Wolverine (With a Red Lantern Ring)

No prep. No bfr. logan enters fight in a berserker rage & knows how to use the ring expertly. fight is on Utopia.

who wins?

He won't be using anything expertly while in a berserker rage.

Wolverine wins

Originally posted by Silent Master
He won't be using anything expertly while in a berserker rage.

He shouldn't, no.

That thing he called Berserker Rage against Mr. X didn't seem particularly berserk, though. I mean, he always fights like a brawler, unless his writer wants to want his rarely used and often highly variable martial arts talent. 😉

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

If I was exclusively citing high end Thor feats, this fight would be spite.

Eh, even on average it's still spite.

Since even if Logan did have a GL quality aura at their best, and Thor didn't/couldn't drain it (Do Red Lantern rings even need charging?), having a Green Lanterns durability doesn't give you anywhere near their versatility, and Thor has some broken options...

Or he could just keep beating on Logan with the hammer.

Originally posted by cdtm
Or he could just keep beating on Logan with the hammer.

And that's the reason why I give Wolverine some wins.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
He would die trying this.

Why?

The times Logan normally got back up from being hit by Hulk, goes against all the times he's struggled with Cap, Spidey, Punisher, Daken....

Either all the times Cap hit him and did ANYTHING are PIS, or the times Hulk hit him and he got back up are. There's really no middle road here, he can either tank class 100's or he can't, and if he can nothing less should phase him without PIS writing.

And while GL rings do make one capable of taking a class 100 attack, they still don't make them as durable as elites.. Lobo pounding on Gardner almost killed him.