He can fly with the RL ring, if he dashes towards Thor and starts slashing like a berserker I'm pretty sure he would shred through Thor more times than not.
Really as soon as this goes close combat I surely give it to Wolverine, his portrayal in terms of fighting speed is a lot better than Thors. This combined with the ability to pretty much slice through everything and a HF is an annoyingly uber combination.
If Thor goes exotic with Mjölnir it's an entirely different thing.
Originally posted by -Pr-Actually no I disagree, all Wolverine really needs is the ability to fly and some extra protection, because imo to take down Thor: Adamantium claws > GL constructs, if he can get into close combat.
If it was a GL ring, it might be something to write home about.
Overall of course GL ring > RL ring the red constructs were pretty simple and pretty much only raw offensive.
That rage saliva can come handy here too.
Originally posted by Starscream MNot at all. Of course it wont be the same scene if he's flying with RL ring but it shows Thor's more than capable of striking Wolverine. Whatever RL defenses he puts up wont be enough to stop Thor's attacks. The only way Wolverine wins this is if we ignore everything Thor can do to win. Such as: Draining the ring then taking its energy and returning it in a 10X magic blast, conjuring a storm that totally immobilizes wolverine leaving him at his mercy, Bringing down multiple lightning bolts (or one big one) on wolvy, wrapping wolverine in a cyclone then shooting him into space, teleporting wolverine into a black hole, or just plain throwing Mjolnir at speeds to much for Wolverine to act.
kinda irrelevant since quicksilver can't fly...but logan with red lantern ring canwith CIS on, thor will lose majority
Thor takes this. RL ring or not.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Actually no I disagree, all Wolverine really needs is the ability to fly and some extra protection, because imo to take down Thor: Adamantium claws > GL constructs, if he can get into close combat.Overall of course GL ring > RL ring the red constructs were pretty simple and pretty much only raw offensive.
That rage saliva can come handy here too.
For me he needs more than that.
And what about how the Red Ring hollows someone out? How is he supposed to perform any way decently when his body is fighting a war with the ring itself?
The saliva working on Thor is debatable at best, imo.
Originally posted by Starscream M
kinda irrelevant since quicksilver can't fly...but logan with red lantern ring canwith CIS on, thor will lose majority
don't see how. he's not an idiot.
Originally posted by -Pr-
And what about how the Red Ring hollows someone out? How is he supposed to perform any way decently when his body is fighting a war with the ring itself?
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The Red Lantern ring will replace his heart, which in turn, his body will attempt to heal. That constant state of internal conflict coupled with his beserker rage and the ring's incredibly strong influence over its user means that he's not going to be utilizing hardly any noticeable level of skill or strategy outside of flying at Thor like a maniac. And his flight speed isn't going to be beyond the likes of Surfer or Hyperion or Gladiator or Sentry, let's be real.
Originally posted by -Pr-he's not an idiot...but he's a prideful warrior...and he's always gonna go melee first before ever resorting to his more versatile range powersdon't see how. he's not an idiot.
but if he goes h2h against a berserker rage red lantern logan, he'll be too decimated for a second round and he won't get to unleash his more versatile attacks
Originally posted by Starscream M
he's not an idiot...but he's a prideful warrior...and he's always gonna go melee first before ever resorting to his more versatile range powersbut if he goes h2h against a berserker rage red lantern logan, he'll be too decimated for a second round and he won't get to unleash his more versatile attacks
Based on...what? 😐
Thor was holding back the entirety of their first fight and Logan was mildly out of his mind. In this scenario, do you comprehend just how much more unbalanced he'll be? At least when he thought Thor was Sabretooth, he was using skill and strategy to "kill" "Victor". Here, all that shit's thrown out the window. And also here Thor has no reason to hold back at all.
If he goes melee, Mjolnir crushes Wolverine and his laughable "Red Lantern aura!". If he invokes a portion of what he can bring to the table, this fight's over.
Seriously, Wolverine has no option against Thor's various powers. And the only counter argument against it is "Well, Thor's a brawler, so he's not going to use his powers until it's too late. And yeah, in melee, Wolverine's too fast for Thor even though Thor already proved he wasn't."
Yeah, here's a suggestion: actually read Thor comics. He tends to use lightning and thunder and whirlwinds and Mjolnir throws quite a bit often.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
👆The Red Lantern ring will replace his heart, which in turn, his body will attempt to heal. That constant state of internal conflict coupled with his beserker rage and the ring's incredibly strong influence over its user means that he's not going to be utilizing hardly any noticeable level of skill or strategy outside of flying at Thor like a maniac. And his flight speed isn't going to be beyond the likes of Surfer or Hyperion or Gladiator or Sentry, let's be real.
Yup. If the red ring does take over him, he'll basically be a mindless rage monster.
Originally posted by Starscream M
he's not an idiot...but he's a prideful warrior...and he's always gonna go melee first before ever resorting to his more versatile range powersbut if he goes h2h against a berserker rage red lantern logan, he'll be too decimated for a second round and he won't get to unleash his more versatile attacks
You must have missed my post on the last page.
Originally posted by Raoul
[B]Clarification of CISOk people, here are the finalised rules as regards PIS, CIS, and everything related to it.
PIS is, as always, off unless the thread starter says it's ON.
CIS, as was said before, is now a more diverse term, but is not as vague as before.
While CIS still exists in the form of characters like Rhino (who are just too stupid to know better), it also exists in one other form.
This is known as Character Inhibited Power. This applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth.
As Bada said:
"It's a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold."
What this means is that people like the Surfer and Superman and so on will not use the full extent of their powers if it will endanger civilians. It doesn't, though, mean they will fight like idiots. The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them.
In accordance with this, several factors come in to play in debates:
The Opponent, Basic Information, the Arena and the Character's Personality and Experience
Those four are key.
Example:
If Martian Manhunter fights say, Juggernaut.
MM doesn't personally know Juggernaut (Opponent). So he has Basic Information. This is categorised as being what the general public would know about the Juggernaut. It goes by averages. If that average man or woman on the street knows that Juggernaut is super strong, then MM knows. The average man or woman doesn't know, however, that the Juggernaut is weak against psionics. J'onn would approach with caution, not knowing whether Juggernaut was in his weight class, and not knowing the full extent of the man's powers.
However. If Martian Manhunter went up against Amazo, he would know to go for broke right at the start, because he KNOWS Amazo (Personality and Experience). He will use his speed, his strength, his shapeshifting. This is because if he knows what it takes to bring down Amazo, or he believes his standard attacks won't work. If J'onn was fighting Juggernaut, there would come a point when he would realise that normal attacks won't work, and would up his game. Any character that doesn't suffer from Rhino-esque stupidity is capable of this. Even with this, though, the Arena comes in to play. If civilians are in danger, J'onn won't shapeshift in to a fire breathing dragon. Juggernaut on the other hand doesn't care, so wouldn't hesitate to toss cars and trucks full of civilians at the Martian.
Examples:
Thor knows he can't out-brawl Hulk, so uses exotic powers sooner than he would against the likes of Superman, as Superman is an unknown to him.
Superman would go all out against Doomsday or Despero because he knows how powerful they are. Against the Hulk, he's going to take a few punches before realising he'll have to use something rather than slugging it out. He won't bathe the street in heat vision either, because there are civilians nearby.
It ALL comes down to the CHARACTER, not the POWERSET. [/B]
Thor isn't going to fight like an idiot; heck, if you want to believe Thor will get pierced by the claws, he's more likely to go exotic earlier.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankhey jake, you really think thor's gonna unleash lightning and thunder and whirlwinds right out of the gate? if you think that, then you clearly don't get Thor, no matter how many of his comics you have read
Based on...what? 😐Thor was holding back the entirety of their first fight and Logan was mildly out of his mind. In this scenario, do you comprehend just how much more unbalanced he'll be? At least when he thought Thor was Sabretooth, he was using skill and strategy to "kill" "Victor". Here, all that shit's thrown out the window. And also here Thor has no reason to hold back at all.
If he goes melee, Mjolnir crushes Wolverine and his laughable "Red Lantern aura!". If he invokes a portion of what he can bring to the table, this fight's over.
Seriously, Wolverine has no option against Thor's various powers. And the only counter argument against it is "Well, Thor's a brawler, so he's not going to use his powers until it's too late. And yeah, in melee, Wolverine's too fast for Thor even though Thor already proved he wasn't."
Yeah, here's a suggestion: actually read Thor comics. He tends to use lightning and thunder and whirlwinds and Mjolnir throws quite a bit often.
thor is a prideful warrior, he takes pride in fighting on equal grounds with skill. he's going to engage logan in close combat first.
also, thor crushes logan with Mjolnir? lol...thor can't crush what he can't hit...and logan can dodge thor because of better reflexes, but even if he gets hit, his aura will dampen the blow and his hf will get him up in a matter of seconds
whereas what is thor gonna do if logan swipes his eyeballs out? or is that so out of the realm of possibility for you to accept?
Originally posted by -Pr-fighting melee isn't really fighting like an idiot...its just thor's first method of fighting usually, he likes to fight close up because he enjoys the visceral battle. he's a warrior, for him, the fight is as important as the outcome.Thor isn't going to fight like an idiot; heck, if you want to believe Thor will get pierced by the claws, he's more likely to go exotic earlier.