Originally posted by Burning thought
So Kratos didnt do it then? So you even fell in your own illogical case.No, theres no exterior or self statements, youve made your own illogical deductions on what was said and you use powerscaling which is illoigcal as well.
You're really, really, reaching far now. Almost Dhalsim like. Pretty impressive. I guess Kain can't flip over the obelisk, since he didn't do it. All he did was overpower Raziel. (Afterall, you DID say 'powerscaling isn't a feat', so let's not conveniently forget your own words again BT.) And all Kratos did was tank the attacks and overpower the being (Thanatos) that manhandled and killed his brother. : ( There were other examples, as I said, but I'm not going to continue to dig through more videos for you, who, brings absolutely nothing to the table in return. I've brought more than enough evidence.
Nah. There most certainly is. You just have nothing to say directly about them, but attempt various combination of terms to handwave. It's not working. You're done.
Welly welly welly well, unless you have somethin in that bag O tricks that says:
A. Raz' streangth (1.87e6N) is not actually between War (punching a 20 ton train car 50m/s, 9e5N) and Chaos War/Mercer (throwing 100 ton tanks 100m/s, 9e6N) but far above.
B. Kain's speed (20m/s iirc) is not below War's 'faster than the eye can see' (*shrugs* obd) and Mercer (100m/s) but actually faster.
C. That all of the four characters mental and soul defence would be instantly ineffective.
D: Or how all of their fire/fire+ wouldnt destroy a vamp thats either weak or has no resistance to flames.
That or theyll be the weakest, slowest, have ineffective powers and burnt to ashes.
Originally posted by BloodRain
The **** is the topic now?----------------------------------------------
Kratos: Physically strongest in the room, high reactions, some resistance to mind/soul ****ery, can manipulate fire.
Dante: Fastest in the room, second strongest, some hax abilities/weapons, some resistance to mind/soul ****ery, can manipulate hell fire.
Mercer: Third strongest, second fastest [movement speed], regen, no soul to ****, too many minds to rape.
War: Weakest [in base form]/tied third strongest [Chaos form], fourth fastest, some mind resistance, can manipulate fire.
Kain/Raziel: Tied fourth strongest, slowest, most abilities countered by above.
The pair are the slowest, weakest (If War is in Chaos mode) and weak to the flames 3/4 characters carry. And besides having their soul/mind abilities most likely failing to the opponents that have some kind of resistance, it also takes a second to activate and has a very limited range. So either no one will be in range, anyone can interrupt in that one second activation time given all of their speed to cross its range before it starts or they wont be effected by it.
War is a mild challenge, Mercer could rival them, Kratos/Dante could solo.
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BT's still finds a way to insult my calcs and call bias even in another persons topic >__> Step off bro.
Hey, Kratos has hax abilities/weapons too ya know. uhuh
Also, what's up with the colour-coding? It doesn't make your superior to the posts from the rest of us. uhuh
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Hey, Kratos has hax abilities/weapons too ya know. uhuhAlso, what's up with the colour-coding? It doesn't make your superior to the posts from the rest of us. uhuh
Not much , only the soul chains and making people stoned.
Dunno, easier to read? And you know damn well that thats exactly what it means. Taste the rainbow, *****. uhuh
Originally posted by Burning thought
Your doing it now, your claiming things and pretty much using "no u" reasoning to say I was wrong.
Yeah... No. I'm actually pointing out the flaws in your reasoning without actually making "claims" of my own, I am largely only pointing out the many failings of your post.
You dont use counter evidence to refute something thats not evidence, nor to refute a baseless claim.
CC posted evidence and based his claims off of them.
Therefore, his claims are not baseless, and have evidence to back them.
Even if faulty reasoning was used to make his deductions (Which as far as I can tell is not true), his post is still the more credible because, you know, posted a shit-ton of evidence.
They were, mostly things that had no basis on what he was trying to prove, like how apprently Kain being seen moving 2 meters in mist form and being seen by the guards as he appears/transforms means hes slow....[theres a lot of things that dont really mean anything assuming you can find them beneath the bashing.
Wow, you can cherry pick a single video that may be being used as evidence via faulty reasoning, that doesn't mean that invalidates the plethora of other showcases of a lack of speed for Kain and other vampires.
He cant defeat most bosses without following a specific set of events, half the time he cant break the skin until hes "weakened" it and a circle appears above its head, their just different ways of a boss battle, still all mechanics.
Which bosses are you referring to? Even ****ers like Cronos in gameplay is visibly cut by Kratos' attacks in gameplay. But that's irrelevant.
Saying that Raziel cant just slash every vampire to death in the gameplay therefore hes not that strong is pointless.
Nope, with Dumah and guy who has a name I forget have explicit lines/whatever to show that Raziel is incapable of injuring them, and they have to be taken out in other ways.
That's not a gameplay mechanic.
No, I have said why I accept it above others, the source is unbias
Appeal to motive, once more.
and better informed on the subject.
How would you know?
I doubt they even really cared about the math to any signifigant extent.
Also I am using math thats just as proven as anyone elses.
Not sure what you even mean by this.
More under the impression neither of them know LoK,
Irrelevant to the topic at hand, stop attacking their character as some justification for why you attack their math. Have some class.
I am also under the impression M and D being unbias are a better source,
You can bust out the appeal to motive fallacies like no one BT, I am impressed.
not sure where I said i was better at math although some of the things they come out with make no sense.
Care to prove you have the knowledge to criticise their math?
Although I did acknowledge the math, I just pointed out the fact its also a lowball.
Saying "The math is biased and lowballing" isn't acknowledging the math, it is a statement that you provided no evidence nor reasoning behind. You didn't even acknowledge the inherent flaw in the calculation, a pretty glaring one, namely that the figures you used implied that Raziel used one hand to tip the obelisk. He clearly didn't.
Oh, and CC actually illustrated where the calculations you used ****ed up in the conversions to tons per square inch. Just to see if CC was correct, I used the converter to convert 1,321,140.78 bars to tons per square inch. And reached about 9.5 thousand tons per square inch. Which matches perfectly with CC's math.
Whoa.
He made measurements the same as anyone else, that came to a few extra millimeters at best.
One claw tip according to CC is bigger than what you had listed for two claw tips. So... A fairly noticeable difference.
Also as for the rest, its a "no u" argument from you here as well, only the difference is your making new claims, I was not.
Point out the new claims I have made?
I've logically deconstructed your argument and pointed out the various faulty segments, as well as calling you on your complete dodging of a signifigant chunk of CC's post.
Also, even if I am guilty of the same thing as you (I'm not), that does not invalidate your utterly insufficient reply to him or his points.
Also if you think he made some really good, evidence full claims then quote one, seems to me your just choosing the guy you would rather back, youve yet to actually point out reason or why.
I actually have been, if you were paying attention.
I did in this post by pointing out that dadudemon and Morridini did **** up on the conversions according to the converter CC supplied (I have no ill will against them for this, everyone makes mistakes), in this post for example.
Also, there are the various instances of Kain being shown to be not particularly fast, certainly not as fast as Kratos, and showings of Kain and Raziel being impeded by relatively mundane obstacles, including apparently some iron gates, that Raziel needed to tip an obelisk to break.
Really, I was hoping you'd either concede like an adult, or at least try to respond to his post like one, but you just evaded, sidestepped, and attacked the character of various people, even ones who had not posted to you, to patch up the numerous flaws in your argument. Have some class.
Also if you want to argue it, you made the claim for Superior speed, maybe you can do a better job than cosmic.
He blocked the Leviathan, for one.
3:00-3:10 shows some impressive running speed and agility, despite being on an uneven and unbalanced surface.
Also, another interesting thing to note is that at 3:30, Gaia attempts to punch Poseidon, but her fist is easily stopped by a single Leviathan, which are things Kratos has overpowered. Just another strength feat. Also another one that shows Kratos having sufficient strength to overpower the arm of a Titan, something you implied earlier was a one-off occurrence. Which is rather silly, since he stopped Atlas from crushing him between his fingers in GoW2.
Now check 3:45. Kratos, with use of his chain blades, makes many acrobatic and skillful leaps through mid-air, moving at speeds Kain has never demonstrated.
Now check 4:00 in, when Kratos reacts when Gaia's fist connects with Poseidon (Seemingly making a sonic boom), leaps through Poseidon's shell, grabs Poseidon, and then when he lands on that cliff has the reaction-time to roll while throwing Poseidon against the side of the mountain. A solid reaction feat.
Then there is this:
This is really just one long agility/reactions/speed feat for Kratos.
Kratos and Zeus are physically about on par, this is pretty obvious. Only Zeus can also teleport and turn intangible by turning into lightning. So Kratos beat a guy who is faster than Kain, can teleport, and turn intangible. All like Kain.
Kain has nothing to compare to Kratos' speed, reaction-time, and agility feats.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Not much , only the soul chains and making people stoned.Dunno, easier to read? And you know damn well that thats exactly what it means. Taste the rainbow, *****. uhuh
+ Summoning invulnerable souls, time manip (limited with amulet, expanded with Loom), infinite spear toss (awesome), artifact with RG abilities (minus Dreadnaught and Ultimate), Light Manip...that's all I can remember right now.
Point is, he has some, not as many as Dante, but some uhuh
Neg, it just means that yer an attention whore. uhuh
Originally posted by BloodRain
He has time manip outside the chamber? O.o how come no one brought it up before? Admittedly unlimate spear works is pretty hax. mmmCorrection, an attention whore who just got your attention 131 /success
He first went to fight Zeus in his past. After returning to the Loom in the present, he went back to the far past, and sent a bunch of Titans and himself to Mt. Olympus. So yeah, he doesn't have to physically be in the Chamber itself to manip time.
Successful Attention whores are the worst. uhuh
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Well it was your illogical claim, you claimed just because they did not smash a wall in a cutscene that they simply could not, you then said Kratos' brother smashed him through a wall....which is nothing comparable. So what you said was pretty poor as evidence, adding in things like "well kratos then overpowered something thats stronger than his brother" is the same as me saying "Kain overpowers Raziel" who can. Youve not brought much real evidence tbh, your best bet was using stuff from the game but youve shown me tombs cracking and door tapping.
Erm, no, I am never done 🙂 also, you do realise arguments dont work this way. You dont just claim "I am superior lol!" and then you win, you make me agree with you, hence why bashing in your post does indeed affect how credible your arguments may seem.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Which is what i did in his.
Also if posting vague videos, and about what, 10 of them? half of them not showing what hes claiming is a shit ton of evidence then your easily impressed. Ofc, I would say bias, you probably would not even have to even read his posts through or mine to come to that conclusion.
The showcases as you call them are all just as bad, I can probably name any one of them, and I like how you added "other vampires", their not kain, therefore useless.
All of them, infact Chronos is one those who can be cut or damaged in various areas, but even Chronos can only be cut in certain areas, Kratos cant just tear into his arm and dig his way up his shoulder into his throat.
What lines? just laughter when you hit them? thats neither canon nor anything other than a mechanic, as I said, its a mechanic to have to defeat bosses a specific way, its been that way for games for a long time.
Where did I calculate that Raziel used one hand ot tip the obelisk?
Also how does conversion to tons per square inch factor in? I use plain old bars to give my pressures, and I didnt again, do the calculations the second time round.
Well "according to CC", as I said hes done no more than anyone to calculate the claw tip. Showing some blurred images of it doesnt really matter, he also calculated it as a cone, the cone of which does not penetrate Kain at all, only the very tip, so were probabl using SA's bigger than what did actually touch Kain.
Also you could probably make large lists of the things that would make the feat even better for Kain.
Your making claims against the person, ad hominem mostly. And your doing exactly what I did to him, to me, adding a bit of the same trolling as usual such as "well youve done as well! because I said so!".
So his post is great because hes pointed out some conversions are different which doesnt really affect much at all, and showed that the gameplay in LoK requires you to, like every game out there including GoW, move certain things or pull certain levers effectively to move around? wow, I think I may well concede to such evidence.....concede my faith that someones going to make a decent counter post.
The Titan grabbing thing is more or less a one off occurance and him stopping a leviathan in one scene is not comparable to it stopping Gaia, its almost like you assume all things are moving at exactly the same speeds and using exactly the same power in all situations, when Kratos stops the leviathan it doesnt use enough force to damage the floor or area around Kratos with its pressure. Oh, and onto the speed, I knew you would bring that up, Kratos has no litte rings or surfaces in this match to hold onto, so really this is just his strength again.
Also how is that a feat for Kratos? Gaia did most of that work and power, Kratos used the momentum and at the end, tossed Poseidon under his own steam, theres no major reaction feat. Whats Kratos reacting to in your opinion?
"Kratos beat a guy" is not the same as "Kratos beat Kain", Kain doesnt have to run up close and personal to destroy Kratos, he can use teleportation and intangbility to better use to avoid Kratos which is Zeus' failure here. Kratos is going to be in the same position with Kain as he was with Zeus at the end of GoW 2, only Kains not going to be fooled by any tricks and is just going to finish Kratos off.
In conclusion though you did a lot, lot better here than CC and used real evidence, not your own ambigious assumptions on what is not evidence.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Welly welly welly well, unless you have somethin in that bag O tricks that says:A. Raz' streangth (1.87e6N) is not actually between War (punching a 20 ton train car 50m/s, 9e5N) and Chaos War/Mercer (throwing 100 ton tanks 100m/s, 9e6N) but far above.
B. Kain's speed (20m/s iirc) is not below War's 'faster than the eye can see' (*shrugs* obd) and Mercer (100m/s) but actually faster.
C. That all of the four characters mental and soul defence would be instantly ineffective.
D: Or how all of their fire/fire+ wouldnt destroy a vamp thats either weak or has no resistance to flames.
That or theyll be the weakest, slowest, have ineffective powers and burnt to ashes.
mercer does not move at 100m/s though, I dont know what evidence suggests that, having played the game he moves close to about 100 mph at best.
All 4 characters have no mental or soul resistance though, none of them have had anyone try and overrule their mind, theyve had people influencing it but thats about it, same with the soul defences, your making things up here.
Considering thanks to teleport most of these characters wont be able to even touch Kain the fire is irrelevent. Although bringing those up, sort of just compares to what i can say to the team, theyll die to pretty much any technique Kain uses and only Kratos can destroy Kain physcially.
Yeah... When you want to actually properly quote my post so I don't have to figure out what you are even responding to, I might respond.
Until then, I'll just answer the things regarding this thread.
The Titan grabbing thing is more or less a one off occurance and him stopping a leviathan in one scene is not comparable to it stopping Gaia, its almost like you assume all things are moving at exactly the same speeds and using exactly the same power in all situations, when Kratos stops the leviathan it doesnt use enough force to damage the floor or area around Kratos with its pressure.
I guess it is a one-off occurrence if you ignore him resisting no less than two Titans, and then overpowering something that overpowered a Titan.
Yeah, and when Poseidon was slammed against said same stones of Mount Olympus, after being propelled by Kratos + Gaia's fist, Poseidon didn't break through the stone either. It has been shown that Olympian Stone is more durable than normal stone.
Are you under the impression that the Leviathan was going easy on Kratos? He reacted to and overpowered its sneak attack, it is idiotic to assume that it was for some asinine reason going easy on him.
I mean shit, by that logic I guess Raziel was going easy on Kain when he clawed his chest, after all, his Earth pressure claws didn't knock him back signifigantly at all, did it?
Oh, and onto the speed, I knew you would bring that up, Kratos has no litte rings or surfaces in this match to hold onto, so really this is just his strength again.
You're completely ignoring the reaction-time and agility necessary for that feat, don't be ignorant. If you think he accomplished those quick, acrobatic leaps with just strength, you're an idiot.
Also how is that a feat for Kratos? Gaia did most of that work and power, Kratos used the momentum and at the end, tossed Poseidon under his own steam, theres no major reaction feat. Whats Kratos reacting to in your opinion?
He reacted to speeding towards the cliffside, rolled, and threw Poseidon. That is a reaction-time feat, and far better than any reaction feat Kain has.
"Kratos beat a guy" is not the same as "Kratos beat Kain", Kain doesnt have to run up close and personal to destroy Kratos, he can use teleportation and intangbility to better use to avoid Kratos which is Zeus' failure here. Kratos is going to be in the same position with Kain as he was with Zeus at the end of GoW 2, only Kains not going to be fooled by any tricks and is just going to finish Kratos off.
And do tell what Kain will do to Kratos from a distance to even inconvenience him? Ignoring that Kratos does in fact have ranged options himself, and has demonstrated far superior leg speed.
Mercer can outrun Apache and Blackhawks, both can only get to 200mph or 90m/s. And he can throw things as fast as he can run. Even if you wanted to ignore this he still easily out runs cars like the taxi cab, 120 mph or 54m/s. Nearly halves his strength feat to 4.898e6N... but then again he does have Muscle Mass to double his strength.
Saw someone say how War has a mask that lets him break any illusion, so thats iffy. Mercer has the mind of each person he's consumed inside him, too many to get the real one. And he doesnt actually have a brain or a soul.. being a virus posing as a human and all. Besides the Haywire Neo Generator, Dante has one via Vergil, who broke out of a 100% mind/body/soul puppet control by Mundas. That was Vergil with a broken down mind, Dante's mind is in tip-top condition here. Kratos has the thing mentioned by some guy above and soul resistance shown against Hades.
Lets see.. it takes Kain 0.2+ seconds to activate that teleport right? A 54m/s Mercer could reach him before he disappears from 10m away. A 'Mach 1' Dante could reach him from 68m away. By he teleports.. and then what? He'll have to appear to do anything and given the characters supersonic and hypersonic reactions, hows Kain going to stay long enough to do anything? Kratos and Dante have faced and stomped faster beings/faster teleporters before. What makes the slower Kain so special?
Nope. Physically he's too weak to inflict damage on any of them and wont be able to stand still long enough to do any of his 3 useful powers. Mercer could inflict damage. War can burn him. Kratos and Dante will still solo. Quicksilver+Ifrit=No counter.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Saw someone say how War has a mask that lets him break any illusion, so thats iffy. Mercer has the mind of each person he's consumed inside him, too many to get the real one. And he doesnt actually have a brain or a soul.. being a virus posing as a human and all. Besides the Haywire Neo Generator, Dante has one via Vergil, who broke out of a 100% mind/body/soul puppet control by Mundas. That was Vergil with a broken down mind, Dante's mind is in tip-top condition here. Kratos has the thing mentioned by some guy above and soul resistance shown against Hades.
Dunno if the Mask of Shadows specifically breaks illusions, since it lets War look into another plane.
And of course, the War we have in Darksiders is a shadow when compared to War as a Horseman of the Apocalypse.
Vergil needed the sight of the amulet or something to break out iirc. But that's moot, seeing as Mundus had to brainwash him to get him to that state. Highly highly doubt Kain could do something like that to Dante.
Kratos has also resisted Siren calls, and I believe they employ some form of mental manipulation.
Everyone here (Except maybe War, haven't played Darksiders) has shown physical strength greater than Kain, and has bladed weaponry regardless (Some, like Kratos, Dante, and War, magic bladed weaponry).
Is BT really under the impression that Kain is stronger than all but Kratos/Only Kratos can hurt him?
@DP: Yeah, forgot he was weakened during the game. Turns out the Mask only allows him to see/see through visual illusions and genjutsus..
A brief stimulas to overrule 10 years complete puppetry is a fair deal. And whats the one for Kratos that was said in this thread?
I think Kain's charm (...Charm?) will need control feats.
@Neme: War's half as strong as Kain but his Chaos form would be above.
Originally posted by BloodRain
@DP: Yeah, forgot he was weakened during the game. Turns out the Mask only allows him to see/see through visual illusions and genjutsus..A brief stimulas to overrule 10 years complete puppetry is a fair deal. And whats the one for Kratos that was said in this thread?
I think Kain's charm (...Charm?) will need control feats.
@Neme: War's half as strong as Kain but his Chaos form would be above.
More or less. Basically allows him to see stuff that isn't present in the physical realm.
I suppose it is. Still, the stimulus in question would be powerful.
I think the time he resisted Ares' attempts at breaking his will. Or him partially resisting Zeus' mind-rape.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Mercer can outrun Apache and Blackhawks, both can only get to 200mph or 90m/s. And he can throw things as fast as he can run. Even if you wanted to ignore this he still easily out runs cars like the taxi cab, 120 mph or 54m/s. Nearly halves his strength feat to [b]4.898e6N... but then again he does have Muscle Mass to double his strength.Saw someone say how War has a mask that lets him break any illusion, so thats iffy. Mercer has the mind of each person he's consumed inside him, too many to get the real one. And he doesnt actually have a brain or a soul.. being a virus posing as a human and all. Besides the Haywire Neo Generator, Dante has one via Vergil, who broke out of a 100% mind/body/soul puppet control by Mundas. That was Vergil with a broken down mind, Dante's mind is in tip-top condition here. Kratos has the thing mentioned by some guy above and soul resistance shown against Hades.
Lets see.. it takes Kain 0.2+ seconds to activate that teleport right? A 54m/s Mercer could reach him before he disappears from 10m away. A 'Mach 1' Dante could reach him from 68m away. By he teleports.. and then what? He'll have to appear to do anything and given the characters supersonic and hypersonic reactions, hows Kain going to stay long enough to do anything? Kratos and Dante have faced and stomped faster beings/faster teleporters before. What makes the slower Kain so special?
Nope. Physically he's too weak to inflict damage on any of them and wont be able to stand still long enough to do any of his 3 useful powers. Mercer could inflict damage. War can burn him. Kratos and Dante will still solo. Quicksilver+Ifrit=No counter. [/B]
Both can but you can never prove Apaches would move at 200 mph through the city. Your taking everything out of context, your taking max speeds of vehicles then claiming just because Alex mercer in certain situations can outrun them or catch up to them hes moving at their max speed....this is faulty reasoning.
Yes he does, he has one mind. He absorbs the knowledge of every person hes ever become but he still thinks for himself. As for the soul part, thats arguable as well, he is still a living entity, and so would have some sort of life essence imo, but this is more debatable.
Dante doesnt have one, vergil has one but thats arguable. Theres no puppeteering or mind control imo, more corruption again, some people struggle with the difference.
Kratos as I said has no mind resistance, he actually has a fairly weak will because their powers of suggestion can still gratly trouble his mind even though he does eventually succeed, this is nothing compared to puppeteering. As for the soul thing, he physically overpowered Hades soul rip which consists of using hooks to physically pull the soul out, Kain does everything on the spiritual level that Kratos cannot grasp or touch.
Roughply, but Kains reacting first, as per the teleport he can react and create concious action in the same time it takes a person to form stimulai to already active sound and movement, kain comes into the world from teleport at a total blank and does everything at once. Also nobody has supersonic/hypersonic reactions, especially Mercer or War....and i dont belive the whole "Kratos can react to lightning!" nonsense, and ive seen not much more than aim dodging from Dante, none of them have precog which means any teleport Kain uses, which is fairly silent means he can be anywhere around them, possibly with a time distortion field up to strike.
ifrit iirc has done nothing but carve stone and none of them have feats to suggest hes too physically weak to harm them, wtf? The only one up for question is Kratos but tbh, even the Chronos feat is going to be hard pressed to give him planet core pressure resistance, assuming he was hit fully and his strength did not reduce most of the power. As it goes, Dantes the only one who can get to Kain, and ifrit cuts through a stone block as its best feat iirc, or was that lucifer? similiar weapons. Quicksilver only lasts for so long and drains his energy and his power and attack is little, all Kain would really have to do is mist form and Dantes quicksilver is wasted. Or teleport a couple of times, Kain can quite easily create a vast distance between him and his enemies and then just use mind fvuckery, time powers and teleportation to mess them up pretty easily.
And TK, Dante cant run if his feet are not on the ground, neither can any of them. The only one who has a chance againsint Kains TK/blood control powers would be Mercer, who does not seem to have blood of a specific kind and who can change his shape.
And Kratos did not resist Zeus' mind rape either. Its not really a mind rape, again he uses suggestion, he makes Kratos lose all hope and seems to drop him into an astral plane and hes saved by the power of Hope....against evil of the great war from inside the box, so its splot specific and would not mean anything to Kain.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah... When you want to actually properly quote my post so I don't have to figure out what you are even responding to, I might respond.Until then, I'll just answer the things regarding this thread.
I guess it is a one-off occurrence if you ignore him resisting no less than two Titans, and then overpowering something that overpowered a Titan.
Yeah, and when Poseidon was slammed against said same stones of Mount Olympus, after being propelled by Kratos + Gaia's fist, Poseidon didn't break through the stone either. It has been shown that Olympian Stone is more durable than normal stone.
Are you under the impression that the Leviathan was going easy on Kratos? He reacted to and overpowered its sneak attack, it is idiotic to assume that it was for some asinine reason going easy on him.
I mean shit, by that logic I guess Raziel was going easy on Kain when he clawed his chest, after all, his Earth pressure claws didn't knock him back signifigantly at all, did it?
You're completely ignoring the reaction-time and agility necessary for that feat, don't be ignorant. If you think he accomplished those quick, acrobatic leaps with just strength, you're an idiot.
He reacted to speeding towards the cliffside, rolled, and threw Poseidon. That is a reaction-time feat, and far better than any reaction feat Kain has.
And do tell what Kain will do to Kratos from a distance to even inconvenience him? Ignoring that Kratos does in fact have ranged options himself, and has demonstrated far superior leg speed.
I thought you would give up defending the guy.
I dont agree with the Atlas thing, nor am I the only one, atlas never tried to kill Kratos and as iu said, the leviathan hardly used any power due to its damage ot the area by comparison.
Theres plenty of damage to the environments on Olympus, you cant claim every piece of stone on the mountain is some sort of special stone, Poseidon was just tossed, its not like Kratos pushed him into the rock and failed to do any damage.
The Leviathan was not using the same force, and Poeisdon was not using the same effort against Kratos as he did against Gaia, thats common sense for one because only one leviathan is present you also dont know how fast the leviathan was moving, as you said it was just a sneak attack, it didnt move as far in distance, speed etc as the one that attacked Gaia, at least not that we know.
No because thats in a small area, the leviathan is huge as are its claws...also skin is ellastic and absorbs energy like that from small hits and Raziel was not pushing into Kain like the Leviathan was to Kratos, nor did Kain try and push back.
Agility? thats not reactions tbh, thats him grabbing onto one, then the other, what agility is that? ill give you, he has good aim and precision to do so quickly but hes essentially launching his large ass chains out to loop in a hole and pull himself...how is that helping him here?
He was speeding towards a cliffside, he didnt react to it, he didnt move in mid flight and dodge the cliffside....all he did was roll.
Lets see, a long list of magic powers from freezing completly in time to draining him dry of blood to taking his soul, Kratos has no resistance to any of these things, TK woudl work as well, just hold him in the air, then he has no anchor to run. Also dont make me laugh, leg speed, youve proven one scene that if given rings he can be quicker than Kain but run quicker than Kain? whens he done this?