Originally posted by DARTH POWERIf you are referring to their first fight, what Surfer admitted to was that the "mallet's magic" was mightier than his own cosmic force.
He's admitted on panel Thor is the far more powerful one.
I've always looked at it this way: w/ Mjolnir, Thor can raise more brute power but he is more dependent on Mjolnir than Surfer is on his board. Plus Surfer has greater versatility. Also, while Thor is better at h2h and has the heart of a warrior, Surfer has insane durability: even fullpower hits from Hulk don't faze him.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERAgain, in their first fight, Surfer did evade a Mjolnir throw; Thor was even amazed by that
Their first encounter made it clear, Surfer can not out fly Mjolnir. He's not gna miss. (even if he did Mjolnir would go straight back to Thor)
Originally posted by DARTH POWERNot in that particular issue (SS #4, vol.1). But just 2 issues before, while Surfer was fighting a big orange alien robot, he did comment, "Once I might have felled you with a shrug. But though I am less than before, still am I the Silver Surfer!"
And no where was it ever mentioned Surfer was depowered whilst on Earth.
This is consistent with other comments made by the Surfer in the FF mags, leading up to his own first comic, all stemming from the sonic shark incident in FF#72.
In any event, as much as it pains me: Thor beats Surfer more often than not, largely because Mjolnir has terrific energy-absorption powers, can generate greater striking power, and because Marvel seems to want it that way.
Surfer was cut off from the ambient cosmic energy of the Universe by a barrier Galactus created around the Earth and was such, depowered.
In his fight with Thor however, not only did Loki take him past that barrier (I.e. allowing him to soak up that energy again as I understand it), he also merged his own very formidable might with the Silver Surfer.
As such, Norrin was noticeably more powerful than he was even as a Herald of Galactus as stated by his comments that his never felt so strangely invincible, unstoppable etc.
Thor edges it out, 6-7/10. Even if you think Norrin is more powerful, I don't think anyone should be able to deny he'd lose the majority in a battle at this point.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor starts stronger but SS can amp beyond him if he wanted to. Doesn't matter since SS is strong enough to rock Thor with punches all the same.
Not really. Surfer can hurt Thor, but in close combat situation, it's going to be one sided.
Originally posted by h1a8
Also SS is far more powerful. He can destroy a planet with a simple blast. Thor can't achieve that. Nor can he achieve the offensive power of a black hole. Surfer's faster too and can phase. Nothing can beat that.
Lawlz. If one had to pick a more powerful out of the two, Thor's the answer. At the very least in the context of combat.
I get really annoyed by this CBR shit. I don't care if Surfer can squirt butterflies out of his nipples or spit supernovas, he doesn't have anything in his arsenal that can easily stop the Odinson.
If he were to open up a black hole, I guarantee you that Mjolnir would either wave it way with some magic shit or Thor would tank it like he has every thing Surfer has thrown his way.
Surfer's faster, but Thor can handle it. Mjolnir can counter. The Odinson can.
Originally posted by h1a8
BS, SS is way more powerful than Thor when he is at his best. Thor has a glaring weakness too, the lost of his hammer. SS can simply momentarily put a field around it and go to town on Thor's arse. Or when Thor throws the hammer and misses, SS goes to town on his arse.
Plus SS offensive power exceeds Thor's.
*Sigh*
I don't even know why I bothered with the above. Waste of my time.
I still just wanna see an allout fight between the two to determine. Surfer is always coming to the fight wanting to reason, and of course thor comes to any fight not giving one ounce of phuck. I've yet to see surfer truly let loose on thor. They both have beastly high end feats. For now I'll say 5/10.
I'd give the edge to Surfer because Surfer has the tools to disarm Thor, and while Mjolnir's Odin enchanted abilities may trump Surfer in some areas, Thor, himself, separated from Mjolnir, doesn't. I'm of the school of thought that in a best of 10 Surfer can restrain and disarm Thor at least in 4-6 matches and then bombard him with blasts, assuming Thor either does a hammer toss or Surfer can land a blow that knocks Mjolnir from his hand, at which point Surfer encases Thor's hands so he can't wield the hammer and turns the tide of the match. If Mjolnir leaves Thor's hand, it's Surfer's match to win. Otherwise, it's close, and brutal, and Thor would take the round.
Originally posted by playa1258
I agree with you Rage, H1 is using CBR fanboy Surfer not the comic version.Thor is tailor made to take out Surfer
If I'm not using the comic version then what am I using? Everything I said Surfer has done in comics. I'm not making up powers or abilities or tactics he's never done.
Characters fight at their best ability AS SHOWN BEFORE. The board from behind trick gets Surfer at least 5/10.
Originally posted by h1a8
If I'm not using the comic version then what am I using? Everything I said Surfer has done in comics. I'm not making up powers or abilities or tactics he's never done.Characters fight at their best ability [B]AS SHOWN BEFORE
. The board from behind trick gets Surfer at least 5/10. [/B]
It would help if you applied the same reasoning to Thor and everything he's ever displayed in the pages of a comic as well.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Their recent encounter showed Surfer is no slouch in a fist fight when he palmed Mjolnir and that he can take hits from Thor.I think Thor probably edges it though, stronger, tougher, more raw power and can nullify most attacks Surfer can throw at him with Mjolnir.
He didn't palm Mjolnir. He grabbed Thor's hand with both of his before he completed the swing.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurfer11MightyThor3.jpg
Agree with the rest of the post though. 👆
Originally posted by Mindship
If you are referring to their first fight, what Surfer admitted to was that the "mallet's magic" was mightier than his own cosmic force.I've always looked at it this way: w/ Mjolnir, Thor can raise more brute power but he is more dependent on Mjolnir than Surfer is on his board. Plus Surfer has greater versatility. Also, while Thor is better at h2h and has the heart of a warrior, Surfer has insane durability: even fullpower hits from Hulk don't faze him.
Well its a mute point really, because Thor has Mjolnir, and Surfer has his board. Niether are going to be seperated from their weapons.
Surfer does have insane durability and can tank hits from the Hulk, but he cant take too many hits from Mjolnir.. As indestructible as Surfer is, Mjolnir is more so, and being a magical based weapon powered by Thor's strength its too much for Surfer's durability.
Originally posted by Mindship
Again, in their first fight, Surfer did evade a Mjolnir throw; Thor was even amazed by that
You forgot to mention how Surfer was just as surprised he evaded it Lol. Noticing Thor's Hammer is more powerful than Surfer's board and power cosmic. He was only able to avoid Mjolnir due to Loki's amp.
As we find out at the end of the fight, Thor was holding back the whole time, and if he decided to go all out, could have defeated Surfer any time.
Originally posted by Mindship
Not in that particular issue (SS #4, vol.1). But just 2 issues before, while Surfer was fighting a big orange alien robot, he did comment, "Once I might have felled you with a shrug. But though I am less than before, still am I the Silver Surfer!"This is consistent with other comments made by the Surfer in the FF mags, leading up to his own first comic, all stemming from the sonic shark incident in FF#72.
Ah right. I get that now. But like Rage pointed out, with Loki's amp Sufer felt more powerful than he's ever been before.
Originally posted by Mindship
In any event, as much as it pains me: Thor beats Surfer more often than not, largely because Mjolnir has terrific energy-absorption powers, can generate greater striking power, and because Marvel seems to want it that way.
Exactly.. Energy absorbtion powers of Mjolnir is just too big of an advantage against Surfer.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERExcept that it's common practice for Thor to throw his hammer: a willing separation Surfer could take advantage of.
Well its a mute point really, because Thor has Mjolnir, and Surfer has his board. Niether are going to be seperated from their weapons.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERMjolnir, yes, but I was mentioning Surfer's durability with regard to h2h (sans hammer or board). Thor's punches (or headbutt) wouldn't hurt SS anymore than Hulk's.
Surfer does have insane durability and can tank hits from the Hulk, but he cant take too many hits from Mjolnir.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERIIRC, Surfer was surprised that Thor thought he could hit him with it. If you have a scan of that panel (it shows Surfer's path as a hyperbolic arc), I would appreciate it. If I'm wrong, so be it. But for the moment, I don't think I am.
You forgot to mention how Surfer was just as surprised he evaded it.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERI wonder how that would compare to modern Surfer. From what I've seen of their latest fight (I've yet to get the comics to read it fully), it doesn't look like one had a definite advantage over the other, though Thor was more aggressive and seemed to score more points, but nothing significant.
Ah right. I get that now. But like Rage pointed out, with Loki's amp Sufer felt more powerful than he's ever been before.
Was a winner ever made clear?
Originally posted by Mindship
Except that it's common practice for Thor to throw his hammer: a willing separation Surfer could take advantage of.
I think "could" is the key word there. Its never been shown as a weakness for Surfer to exploit in their fights, and we know Mjolnir comes straight back to Thor.
Also I see Thor doing the odd Hammer throw, but I dnt see him doing it constantly in a fight against Surfer, considering it defends him against Surfer's attacks.
Originally posted by Mindship
Mjolnir, yes, but I was mentioning Surfer's durability with regard to h2h (sans hammer or board). Thor's punches (or headbutt) wouldn't hurt SS anymore than Hulk's.
Yeah maybe.. But like I said he wnt be seperated from Mjolnir for long, if at all.
Originally posted by Mindship
IIRC, Surfer was surprised that Thor thought he could hit him with it. If you have a scan of that panel (it shows Surfer's path as a hyperbolic arc), I would appreciate it. If I'm wrong, so be it. But for the moment, I don't think I am.
Just checked it, and you're right. Surfer says "could a mere hammer outfly the Silver Surfer" whilst Thor says "Tis beyond belief. Methinks there be a mystic force at work".. Which of course there was.. Loki's amp.
Although that scene and another did show Sufer using his speed, which some people claim he's never used against Thor.
Also that was the second hammer throw Thor did in that fight. The first hit Surfer through a wall.
Dnt get me wrong I be no means see this fight as a stomp. Thor and Surfer are Marvel's 2 top dogs. I just think its always been made kind of clear that Thor is above Surfer.
