Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't think so. Thor might be more powerful but Surfer is more durable and is fully capable of beating Thor.
Peak Thor has withstood attacks from "merciless" Celestials and kept on fighting; Surfers best feats of durability are beneath this...
T and A are sub Celestial level characters...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderThe Celestials didn't really want to beat him. They could do so with an afterthought.
Peak Thor has withstood attacks from "merciless" Celestials and kept on fighting; Surfers best feats of durability are beneath this...T and A are sub Celestial level characters...
You are taking the context out of the scene and acting as if the Celestials honestly couldn't bring Thor down if they wanted to.
T and A took down Galactus. They are peers to Celestials. Galactus himself seems to be pitted against the Celestials. This is going to get interesting. Go big G.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThen we look at blood and thunder power gem Thor and see him make a mad titan smile right before he wins.
Low Trans? Cosmic entities and High end Skyfathers should be extremely wary when fighting Thor, a weakling like Thanos would get butt f*cked by the Odinson's energy output.g_serious
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderThere is no reason to disagree if both are all out.
Under normal circumstances I do agree with this though...
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Celestials didn't really want to beat him. They could do so with an afterthought.You are taking the context out of the scene and acting as if the Celestials honestly couldn't bring Thor down if they wanted to.
They wanted Thor beaten or at least down. That doesn't mean they were using their full power but based on the previous scene, their blasts packed a ridiculous punch.
All in all, a crazy feat for Thor that comic.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThey didn't view him as a threat. That's the bottom line. It's a high end feat but in no way did they seriously approach him as a viable threat. Exitar undid his most powerful godblast damage like it was nothing which destroyed the hammer.
They wanted Thor beaten or at least down. That doesn't mean they were using their full power but based on the previous scene, their blasts packed a ridiculous punch.All in all, a crazy feat for Thor that comic.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They didn't view him as a threat. That's the bottom line. It's a high end feat but in no way did they seriously approach him as a viable threat. Exitar undid his most powerful godblast damage like it was nothing which destroyed the hammer.
At the time, the Celestials wouldn't view Galactus as a threat so I don't see how that takes away from the showing by any noticeable extent. They attacked him mercilessly and swiftly -the Host wouldn't tolerate interference at the time- and based on the Destroyer/Uni-Mind battle, it's clear that their attacks packed a ridiculous amount of power.
How is that relevant to the discussion at hand?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThe Celestials would view Galactus as a threat but that's besides the point we can only go by what the writers give us not speculate. They studied him and didn't attack mercilessly they let Thor attack them. His attacks were inconsequential and this was even stated on panel.
At the time, the Celestials wouldn't view Galactus as a threat so I don't see how that takes away from the showing by any noticeable extent. They attacked him mercilessly and swiftly -the Host wouldn't tolerate interference at the time- and based on the Destroyer/Uni-Mind battle, it's clear that their attacks packed a ridiculous punch.How is that relevant to the discussion at hand?
If the Celestials wanted to kill Thor one blast would do so lucky for him he was insignificant.
Galactus is a peer of the Celestials in ig and thanos imperative.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Celestials didn't really want to beat him. They could do so with an afterthought.You are taking the context out of the scene and acting as if the Celestials honestly couldn't bring Thor down if they wanted to.
T and A took down Galactus. They are peers to Celestials. Galactus himself seems to be pitted against the Celestials. This is going to get interesting. Go big G.
Dont get me wrong, I am pulling for Galactus as well vs the Celestials; they are overpowered given what their cosmic "jobs" appear to be, and they need to be brought down as a result...
But at the time of the Celestials creation, they were supposed to be the next level of power over characters like Galactus...
Yes, Thor withstanding them was PIS, but virtually all heroes super-high-end feats are PIS as they typically are far, far, beyond a given characters average showing (I certainly believe a High Herald controlling the Big Crunch energies was PIS)...
But at the end of the day, Thors PIS showings are greater than the Surfers PIS showings...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderThe Celestials never viewed Thor as a legit threat in the comic. The rest doesn't need to be addressed. Galactus>Odin and a peer to the Celestials.
Dont get me wrong, I am pulling for Galactus as well vs the Celestials; they are overpowered given what their cosmic "jobs" appear to be, and they need to be brought down as a result...But at the time of the Celestials creation, they were supposed to be the next level of power over characters like Galactus...
Yes, Thor withstanding them was PIS, but virtually all heroes super-high-end feats are PIS as they typically are far, far, beyond a given characters average showing (I certainly believe a High Herald controlling the Big Crunch energies was PIS)...
But at the end of the day, Thors PIS showings are greater than the Surfers PIS showings...
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Celestials would view Galactus as a threat but that's besides the point we can only go by what the writers give us not speculate. They studied him and didn't attack mercilessly they let Thor attack them. His attacks were inconsequential and this was even stated on panel.If the Celestials wanted to kill Thor one blast would do so lucky for him he was insignificant.
Galactus is a peer of the Celestials in ig and thanos imperative.
A Thor writer even post Thomas made it clear that the Celestials were above other cosmics, including Galactus. He like the Odin Destroyer wouldn't be considered any threat at all to the Fourth Host. So like before, I'm stumped as to why you think that argument takes away from the showing.
Irrelevant, more so since this is the entire Fourth Host.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestials1.jpg
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"The Celestials reply is swift and mercilessly effective..."
"I'll not die Celestial, though it be thy fondest wish!"
Don't get me wrong, Thor was just a very stubborn bug to them, but you really can't take away from the feat as ridiculous as it was (Especially looking at the damage they did to the Destroyer/Uni-Mind, the Host tolerated no interference).
I have no doubt you'll try until I get bored but it's all in the scans son. Can't change that no matter how hard you try. 🙂
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusOdin wouldn't be a threat to the entire fourth host. If there were 7 Galactus beings Odin wouldn't be a threat in the destroyer armor either.
A Thor writer even post Thomas made it clear that the Celestials were above other cosmics, including Galactus. He like the Odin Destroyer wouldn't be considered any threat at all to the Fourth Host. So like before, I'm stumped as to why you think that argument takes away from the showing.Irrelevant, more so since this is the entire Fourth Host.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestials1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestials2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestials3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestials4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestials5.jpg"The Celestials reply is swift and mercilessly effective..."
"I'll not die Celestial, though it be thy fondest wish!"
Don't get me wrong, Thor was just a very stubborn bug to them, but you really can't take away from the feat as ridiculous as it was (Especially looking at the damage they did to the Destroyer/Uni-Mind, the Host tolerated no interference).
I have no doubt you'll try until I get bored but it's all in the scans son. Can't change that no matter how hard you try. 🙂
Arishem--not even worth the effort to prevent falling since he's beyond conflict.
Translation:Thor was a child screaming and being irrelevant while Arishem didn't even deem him worthy to avoid his attacks that's how irrelevant he was.
Thanks for proving me right.
Thanks for providing proof the Celestials were beyond conflict and didn't even deem Thor worthy of avoiding his insignificant attacks.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin wouldn't be a threat to the entire fourth host. If there were 7 Galactus beings Odin wouldn't be a threat in the destroyer armor either.Arishem--not even worth the effort to prevent falling since he's beyond conflict.
Translation:Thor was a child screaming and being irrelevant while Arishem didn't even deem him worthy to avoid his attacks that's how irrelevant he was.
Thanks for proving me right.
Thanks for providing proof the Celestials were beyond conflict and didn't even deem Thor worthy of avoiding his insignificant attacks.
You didn't address my point at all.
Are you sure this is a reply to the right post? Once again you didn't make any sort of counterargument.
Can't blame you for giving up though, that showing is almost infallible.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYour own scan backed me up. Arishem didn't view him as a possible threat he thought so less of him he didn't even avoid his attack because he couldn't hurt him. Thor just shouted and did nothing of note.
You didn't address my point at all.Are you sure this is a reply to the right post? Once again you didn't make any sort of counterargument.
Can't blame you for giving up though, that showing is almost infallible.
This backs my points not yours. An impressive feat for an elite top tier but not ignoring how he wasn't a threat at all to any of them. They viewed Odin as a threat and killed him. Had they taken on Thor like Odin he'd die in one attack.
Thanks for posting the scan which backed me up. Pretty wild move I like it, buddy.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Your own scan backed me up. Arishem didn't view him as a possible threat he thought so less of him he didn't even avoid his attack because he couldn't hurt him. Thor just shouted and did nothing of note.This backs my points not yours. An impressive feat for an elite top tier but not ignoring how he wasn't a threat at all to any of them. They viewed Odin as a threat and killed him. Had they taken on Thor like Odin he'd die in one attack.
Thanks for posting the scan which backed me up. Pretty wild move I like it, buddy.
I already addressed this silly reasoning.
What are you talking about, Odin was no more of a threat than Thor to the Fourth Host, same goes for the race of the Eternals. So they specifically toned down their attacks? Might as well just call it PIS if you're going to use such a flimsy argument.
Alright then.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusLook, your scan made it plain as day. No reason to be angry your scan sealed your own doom. I wasn't going to post it I don't care to prove you wrong enough but since you posted it you ethered yourself.
I already addressed this silly reasoning.What are you talking about, Odin was no more of a threat than Thor to the Fourth Host, same goes for the race of the Eternals. So they specifically toned down their attacks? Might as well just call it PIS if you're going to use such a flimsy argument.
Alright then.
Originally posted by rotiart
Quanchi is right. Your posts proved that Thor meant absolutely nothing to the celestialThe fall was inconsequential to the celestial
And even the odinsword was allowed to attack the celestial just because he wanted to look at it and analyze it. He was never worried..
How about you scroll up and read the entire discussion before chiming in? It'll do wonders.
Thor was nothing but a stubborn bug to the Celestials, that's not in debate, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he withstood their blasts. Similar blasts were very damaging to the Destroyer Armor and the Uni-Mind, on top of that, the host doesn't tolerate much interference. By all accounts, a herald level character should have been incinerated by the first hit which is why it's so very impressive.
LOM pointed out the feat, Quanchi referred to him being no threat as if that automatically = not impressive. That's in itself far from a flawless line of thinking, the Odin Destroyer was no threat either for example.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Look, your scan made it plain as day. No reason to be angry your scan sealed your own doom. I wasn't going to post it I don't care to prove you wrong enough but since you posted it you ethered yourself.
I'm too tired to go *** for tat with pointless retorts. PM me if you want a serious discussions.
