Silver surfer vs thor

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's ridiculous. Hell, Silver Surfer for a time was far more popular than Thor, and I'd say among comic book fans, is easily just as popular as him. So, no, writers don't have Thor win because they're afraid his fan base will rebel and sales will drop accordingly. That is an excuse at best and utterly insane at worst. And that argument works both ways. If you think Surfer wasn't at his best due to speed, well, I guess Thor wasn't at his best because he didn't use his entire repertoire of abilities and effortlessly no sell everything thrown his way based on what he has endured.

Yeah, and most of Surfer's best feats involved at least a few seconds for him to achieve, too. What's your point? Thor can throw his hammer whenever he likes; Surfer doesn't have the feats to suggest he can indefinitely keep it away from him nor beat Thor before Mjolnir returns to its master.

SS is astronomically faster than Thor and can maneuver all around Thor like he is standing still. Surfer never shot Thor with planet leveling blasts in the comics or created black holes on him or hit him with the board from behind traveling at a million c or phase. Thor can't do anything exotic to SS because he is slower and will be on the defensive if he knows what's best for him.

Thor's hammer is another one of his weak points. Surfer can easily temporarily handicap Thor. Then use that time to do some serious damage to Thor. Also if Thor throws the hammer at SS then Thor becomes defenseless and SS will bombard him with attacks to end the fight.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
^ That.

If Thor wills it, Mjolnir will return to him even if it has to go through Hell to do so....which it did.

It's impossible to will something back when you are getting rocked hard with blasts and other attacks (such as getting hit with the board coming at you at a million c)

Originally posted by h1a8
Marvel makes more money by allowing both characters not to show the other up badly.

SS is astronomically faster than Thor and can maneuver all around Thor like he is standing still. Surfer never shot Thor with planet leveling blasts in the comics or created black holes on him or hit him with the board from behind traveling at a million c or phase. Thor can't do anything exotic to SS because he is slower and will be on the defensive if he knows what's best for him.

Thor's hammer is another one of his weak points. Surfer can easily temporarily handicap Thor. Then use that time to do some serious damage to Thor. Also if Thor throws the hammer at SS then Thor becomes defenseless and SS will bombard him with attacks to end the fight.

Marvel writes whatever the hell Marvel wants. Sentry was panned as one of the most unpopular characters of all time; a vast, vast majority of fans hated the character and despised him. Didn't stop him from having incredibly high end showings. Spider-Man's wildly popular, arguably the most popular Marvel hero ever, if not one of the most (arguably at a time THE MOST) popular comic book character. And yet, Spider-Man routinely gets his ass kicked by whomever, far more often than random PIS moments such as his handling of Firelord. So this argument that Thor only beats Surfer due to his popularity and out of fear of fan backlash is, quite frankly, unfounded and insulting to Silver Surfer the character himself as well as his fan base.

Based on what? Surfer didn't out maneuver Thor in any of their fights. At all. What feats are you using to suggest he'd be too fast for Thor here? Jesus, Thor's never godblasted Surfer, or Anti-Forced him, or absorbed all of his Power Cosmic blasts and return them to him x10-x100 power, nor has he encased him in a whirlwind or hit him with the force of hundreds of hurricanes or sic Mjolnir at him using his broken auto-hit/richochet capabilities, or toss Mjolnir at speeds far, far, far, FAR beyond lightspeed at him.

If Thor at his best throws Mjolnir at Surfer, it's going to hit him. Surfer won't be able to contain Mjolnir long enough to do anything of worth to Thor as the effort required in doing so and keeping it restricted will literally require all of Norrin's concentration, less Thor simply summon Mjolnir back and strike Surfer along the way with it.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's impossible to will something back when you are getting rocked hard with blasts and other attacks (such as getting hit with the board coming at you at a million c)

Thor makes a living off of doing the impossible.

You can't prove Surfer could entrap Mjolnir and multi task by keeping the hammer away while assailing Thor at the same time, either.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
^ That.

If Thor wills it, Mjolnir will return to him even if it has to go through Hell to do so....which it did.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor makes a living off of doing the impossible.

You can't prove Surfer could entrap Mjolnir and multi task by keeping the hammer away while assailing Thor at the same time, either.

Originally posted by Starscream M
fine, but surfer can encase thor's head in his board, then thor's phucked.

That's as likely as Thor Godblasting Surfer to hell.

Originally posted by h1a8
He doesn't have to do it at the same time. Once the hammer is encased SS will go to town on Thor.

Unless Thor instantly wills Mjolnir back to him.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Marvel writes whatever the hell Marvel wants. Sentry was panned as one of the most unpopular characters of all time; a vast, vast majority of fans hated the character and despised him. Didn't stop him from having incredibly high end showings. Spider-Man's wildly popular, arguably the most popular Marvel hero ever, if not one of the most (arguably at a time THE MOST) popular comic book character. And yet, Spider-Man routinely gets his ass kicked by whomever, far more often than random PIS moments such as his handling of Firelord. So this argument that Thor only beats Surfer due to his popularity and out of fear of fan backlash is, quite frankly, unfounded and insulting to Silver Surfer the character himself as well as his fan base.

Based on what? Surfer didn't out maneuver Thor in any of their fights. At all. What feats are you using to suggest he'd be too fast for Thor here? Jesus, Thor's never godblasted Surfer, or Anti-Forced him, or absorbed all of his Power Cosmic blasts and return them to him x10-x100 power, nor has he encased him in a whirlwind or hit him with the force of hundreds of hurricanes or sic Mjolnir at him using his broken auto-hit/richochet capabilities, or toss Mjolnir at speeds far, far, far, FAR beyond lightspeed at him.

If Thor at his best throws Mjolnir at Surfer, it's going to hit him. Surfer won't be able to contain Mjolnir long enough to do anything of worth to Thor as the effort required in doing so and keeping it restricted will literally require all of Norrin's concentration, less Thor simply summon Mjolnir back and strike Surfer along the way with it.

Thor can't do anything to Surfer if Surfer is using his top speed. You can name all the wonderful things Thor has done but it is all meaningless since he won't get a chance to pull them off. Thor can only throw the hammer at speeds beyond light speed after spending time to whirl the hammer. Thor can't deflect blasts and throw the hammer at the same time. Plus SS can phase remember. What's Thor going to do then?

I disagree that SS needs to concentrate to keep a force field up. He can simply create one and go about his business. If not then I stil don't see how SS can't blast the shit out of Thor while Thor is trying to get the hammer back.

Thor can't summon anything back if he's getting rocked. He needs to be coherent to do this. Planet leveling blasts, board hitting him at a million c, black holes, would all prevent Thor from being coherent.

Plus if SS wanted he could just avoid Mjolnir by evading to the side and then winning the fight by either blasting Thor with planet leveling blasts, creating a black hole around Thor, or hitting Thor with the board a million c.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Unless Thor instantly wills Mjolnir back to him.

He can instantly will it back but it won't return to him instantly. He would be defenseless for a decent moment and sustain great damage if he doesn't lose immediately.

Originally posted by h1a8
He can instantly will it back but it won't return to him instantly. He would be defenseless for a decent moment and sustain great damage if he doesn't lose immediately.

Surfer can't beat Thor nor nearly beat him in the span of a moment.

Originally posted by h1a8
He can instantly will it back but it won't return to him instantly. He would be defenseless for a decent moment and sustain great damage if he doesn't lose immediately.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Surfer can't beat Thor nor nearly beat him in the span of a moment.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This isn't backed on anything other than your wild fantasies. You can't just create scenarios based on nothing other than a wild imagination.

Originally posted by h1a8
I agree but it's because of CIS. Surfer doesn't want to kill unnecessarily and neither does Thor.

What are you talking about? Be specific why don't you.

CIS off Surfer couldn't kill Thor in a moment anymore than CIS off Thor could kill Surfer in a moment.

Originally posted by h1a8
I agree but it's because of CIS. Surfer doesn't want to kill unnecessarily and neither does Thor.

What are you talking about? Be specific why don't you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're using tactics and saying it beats Thor within moments but this isn't based off of anything seen in comics because you don't read them.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
You're using tactics and saying it beats Thor within moments but this isn't based off of anything seen in comics because you don't read them.

Characters fight at their best AS SHOWN BEFORE.
SS has trapped Mjolnir in a field, created black holes around enemies, phased, hit enemies from behind with his board, shattered planets with a mere blast, maneuvered so fast he dodged multiple beams of light, etc.
So again how isn't it shown in comics?

Originally posted by h1a8
Characters fight at their best [b]AS SHOWN BEFORE.
SS has trapped Mjolnir in a field, created black holes around enemies, phased, hit enemies from behind with his board, shattered planets with a mere blast, maneuvered so fast he dodged multiple beams of light, etc.
So again how isn't it shown in comics? [/B]

Originally posted by quanchi112
They fight in character as well. You can't just claim a tactic can easily best someone they have never bested before if it isn't based on any of their fights. It's called ignoring the comics and just pretending.

If a character has done it on panel then it is in character. You argue Thanos will forceblock someone when he don't usually do that in comics. Or have Thanos using shields at the same time as blasting when it was never really SHOWN. WTF are you talking about.

Characters fight at their best as shown before. Do you know what that means?

Plus in character refers to natural stupidity, warrior code, or morals. It has nothing to do with anything else.

Surfer isn't stupid to not use his abilities that he used before in comics in a forum fight.

Originally posted by h1a8
If a character has done it on panel then it is in character. You argue Thanos will forceblock someone when he don't usually do that in comics. Or have Thanos using shields at the same time as blasting when it was never really SHOWN. WTF are you talking about.

Characters fight at their best as shown before. Do you know what that means?

Plus in character refers to natural stupidity, warrior code, or morals. It has nothing to do with anything else.

Surfer isn't stupid to not use his abilities that he used before in comics in a forum fight.

Thanos can use shields and alternate blasts all the same anyways.

I argue based on how Thanos fights I don't claim someone easily wins when they have never beaten a character like you do.

This isn't cbr. This isn't you with the powerset vs. me with Thor's powers. You've been here this long and still don't understand how it works.