Silver surfer vs thor

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I think "could" is the key word there. Its never been shown as a weakness for Surfer to exploit in their fights, and we know Mjolnir comes straight back to Thor.

Also I see Thor doing the odd Hammer throw, but I dnt see him doing it constantly in a fight against Surfer, considering it defends him against Surfer's attacks.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Also that was the second hammer throw Thor did in that fight. The first hit Surfer through a wall.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Dnt get me wrong I be no means see this fight as a stomp. Thor and Surfer are Marvel's 2 top dogs. I just think its always been made kind of clear that Thor is above Surfer.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It would help if you applied the same reasoning to Thor and everything he's ever displayed in the pages of a comic as well.

The problem with Thor is bad habit of throwing the hammer, slow speed, and warrior mentality of wanting to bash h2h too much. CIS off while
giving Thor's Superman's combat speed and maneuverability then he would be at least Trans level. He would decimate any High Herald (including Superman and SS) 10/10.

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer can phase and is faster and has better mobility.

The problem with Thor is bad habit of throwing the hammer, slow speed, and warrior mentality of wanting to bash h2h too much. CIS off while
giving Thor's Superman's combat speed and maneuverability then he would be at least Trans level. He would decimate any High Herald (including Superman and SS) 10/10.

So how come Surfer gets the benefit of the doubt and all of sudden gets to use any and all of his abilities to his utmost capacity here, but Thor doesn't?

You're citing all these random versatility feats and showings of Surfer, who typically in a comic, shoots energy blasts and rushes people with the board (ie. fighting like an idiot according to some of your other posts) while at the same time ignoring the times Thor's shown his own various abilities and powers and citing CIS for him.

It's a two way street. Either you're going to argue for the both of them with CIS off, or you're going to argue for them as they typically fight in the majority of their battles.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So how come Surfer gets the benefit of the doubt and all of sudden gets to use any and all of his abilities to his utmost capacity here, but Thor doesn't?

You're citing all these random versatility feats and showings of Surfer, who typically in a comic, shoots energy blasts and rushes people with the board (ie. fighting like an idiot according to some of your other posts) while at the same time ignoring the times Thor's shown his own various abilities and powers and citing CIS for him.

It's a two way street. Either you're going to argue for the both of them with CIS off, or you're going to argue for them as they typically fight in the majority of their battles.

h1 cant do that. If Thor beats Surfer and Surfer beats Superman then he'd have to admit that Thor can beat Superman.

Biased double standard poster is Biased double standard poster.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So how come Surfer gets the benefit of the doubt and all of sudden gets to use any and all of his abilities to his utmost capacity here, but Thor doesn't?

1. It's a Surfer thread.
2. It's a Surfer thread.

Haven't you been paying attention? sneer

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So how come Surfer gets the benefit of the doubt and all of sudden gets to use any and all of his abilities to his utmost capacity here, but Thor doesn't?

You're citing all these random versatility feats and showings of Surfer, who typically in a comic, shoots energy blasts and rushes people with the board (ie. fighting like an idiot according to some of your other posts) while at the same time ignoring the times Thor's shown his own various abilities and powers and citing CIS for him.

It's a two way street. Either you're going to argue for the both of them with CIS off, or you're going to argue for them as they typically fight in the majority of their battles.

You didn't get me. Let me make it clear.

NO SPEED FOR THOR THEN NO WIN FOR HIM.
SPEED FOR THOR THEN WIN FOR HIM.

What good is all Thor's abilities if he is too slow to pull them off.
I extremely made myself clear that if Thor had Superman's speed then he would own Surfer (Superman too). So what's the problem?

Surfer, 8/10.

Thor 6/10.

Originally posted by cdtm
Surfer, 8/10.

Originally posted by TheHulk
really??? how???

Exotic powers, godblast maybe.

Thor has greater overall power output, so he can definitely take a few, despite Surfer's greater durability (For even low end heralds of Galactus, surviving a black hole is mundane..), speed, and a higher average energy output..

Originally posted by h1a8
You didn't get me. Let me make it clear.

NO SPEED FOR THOR THEN NO WIN FOR HIM.
SPEED FOR THOR THEN WIN FOR HIM.

What good is all Thor's abilities if he is too slow to pull them off.
I extremely made myself clear that if Thor had Superman's speed then he would own Surfer (Superman too). So what's the problem?

Except for the fact that Surfer's great speed advantage, if such a thing exists, never gave him a victory or even near victory over Thor.

This idea that Thor needs omgz level speed to compete with people like Superman or Surfer is unfounded. There's literally nothing to suggest Surfer being too fast for Thor and Thor being too slow to do anything of worth to him.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Except for the fact that Surfer's great speed advantage, if such a thing exists, never gave him a victory or even near victory over Thor.

This idea that Thor needs omgz level speed to compete with people like Superman or Surfer is unfounded. There's literally nothing to suggest Surfer being too fast for Thor and Thor being too slow to do anything of worth to him.

Surfer is not going to beat Thor decisively in a comic because the writer is not going to let him fight at his best (use speed). It would bring Thor down and decrease sales. That's why those are comics and this is a forum fight. If a comic fight was 100% what will happen if the two fought at their best then what's to discuss? Why have a thread about two characters who already fought? What's the point?

Lastly, every exotic thing Thor has pulled off in comics took at least a few seconds. This is an eternity for SS to mount an attack and keep Thor on the defensive. Thor better not throw that hammer.

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer is not going to beat Thor decisively in a comic because the writer is not going to let him fight at his best (use speed). It would bring Thor down and decrease sales. That's why those are comics and this is a forum fight. If a comic fight was 100% what will happen if the two fought at their best then what's to discuss? Why have a thread about two characters who already fought? What's the point?

Lastly, every exotic thing Thor has pulled off in comics took at least a few seconds. This is an eternity for SS to mount an attack and keep Thor on the defensive. Thor better not throw that hammer.

That's ridiculous. Hell, Silver Surfer for a time was far more popular than Thor, and I'd say among comic book fans, is easily just as popular as him. So, no, writers don't have Thor win because they're afraid his fan base will rebel and sales will drop accordingly. That is an excuse at best and utterly insane at worst. And that argument works both ways. If you think Surfer wasn't at his best due to speed, well, I guess Thor wasn't at his best because he didn't use his entire repertoire of abilities and effortlessly no sell everything thrown his way based on what he has endured.

Yeah, and most of Surfer's best feats involved at least a few seconds for him to achieve, too. What's your point? Thor can throw his hammer whenever he likes; Surfer doesn't have the feats to suggest he can indefinitely keep it away from him nor beat Thor before Mjolnir returns to its master.

Surfer, more popular than Thor? O_o

I always saw Surfer as basically the most popular cosmic character, which still makes him less popular than anything mainstream (Like Xmen, Avengers, Hulk, Spidey, Fantastic Four, or most things on Marvel Earth..)

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's ridiculous. Hell, Silver Surfer for a time was far more popular than Thor, and I'd say among comic book fans, is easily just as popular as him. So, no, writers don't have Thor win because they're afraid his fan base will rebel and sales will drop accordingly. That is an excuse at best and utterly insane at worst. And that argument works both ways. If you think Surfer wasn't at his best due to speed, well, I guess Thor wasn't at his best because he didn't use his entire repertoire of abilities and effortlessly no sell everything thrown his way based on what he has endured.

Yeah, and most of Surfer's best feats involved at least a few seconds for him to achieve, too. What's your point? Thor can throw his hammer whenever he likes; Surfer doesn't have the feats to suggest he can indefinitely keep it away from him nor beat Thor before Mjolnir returns to its master.

^^Thor can still use most of his abilities without his mallet...

Originally posted by Starscream M
surfer can encase mjolnir within a sphere created from his board. thor will no longer be able to hold mjolnir.

Thor summons Mjolnir back.

What then?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor summons Mjolnir back.

What then?

Originally posted by Starscream M
he still can't hold it, so it will be useless to him.

The hammer could teleport, if it can't simply break out of the construct.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he still can't hold it, so it will be useless to him.

Originally posted by cdtm
The hammer could teleport, if it can't simply break out of the construct.

^ That.

If Thor wills it, Mjolnir will return to him even if it has to go through Hell to do so....which it did.