Originally posted by GalacticStormNo sh1t, sherlock. That's a god damn clue you should be paying attention to. Such a monumental feat of "telekinetically removing a future" and it isn't even god damn mentioned.
However your handbook entry makes no mention whatsoever of Jeans statement that she amputated the future, it doesnt account for that.
Originally posted by GalacticStormYou ignore that on-panel, when Jean telekinetically removed Sublime, she referred to it as surgery, disinfection, amputation. You're trying to argue that amputation never applied to it. But we both know that disinfection isn't surgery either. So clearly, your whole red herring argument about what words precisely mean (a nice way of saying your peddling in sh1tty semantics) is already shot to sh1t. It's all the same purple prose. You even ignore that on-panel, when Jean telekinetically removed Sublime, she stares at Sublime's essence and refers to it as the future. It's awful that you're trying to distinguish words when you're trying to invent a new feat out of nowhere.
I am doing no such thing 😂That is not what i have stated in any part of this thread. Jean did not carry Sublime into the White Hot Room. Sublime was carried off by an unknown black claw like appendage before Jean walked into the WHR as previously discussed.
What im arguing here is that Jean disinfected the future reality by extracting sublime, thats what your handbook actually states, what it does not state is that Jean amputated reality by extracting Sublime. Once again two different terms you are trying to equate for the purposes of your interpretation. Furthermore Jean actually states herself after extracting Sublime that she had to amputate the future because the infection was so bad. Thats a different step.
Originally posted by GalacticStormNuff said. No wait... let's phucking repeat it so that it's drilled into your head:
Granted. Its not stated that Jeans amputation of HCT is a telekinetic one.
Originally posted by GalacticStormGot it yet? No? How about now:
Granted. Its not stated that Jeans amputation of HCT is a telekinetic one.
Originally posted by GalacticStormKeep staring at the screen. Staring at the comic obviously did you no good.
Granted. Its not stated that Jeans amputation of HCT is a telekinetic one.
Originally posted by GalacticStormHere Comes Tomorrow is not about your unnatural fetish for telekinetic feats. It's about sacrifice and drama. We've been over this. Get over the fact that the storyline wasn't meant to wow fanboys who like tk feats.
But given that the whole series promoted the power of the Phoenix as "telekinetic godhood"
Originally posted by GalacticStorm"OMG, but when Jean says "future" she refers to "Sublime"? But Sublime isn't technically a future! -- Sublime is a bacteria?!" ............. you see why your sh1tty semantics means absolute crap when Grant Morrison is using purple prose? You should. Because you literally recognize it in one piece of dialogue by your own admission. Stop pretending that we're not allowed to recognize it again for another piece of dialogue that immediately precedes it.
I agree that Sublime represented the twisted fate that was in store for the X-men if Jean did not fix her mistake and perform the Phoenix work she should have when she first manifested the Force again in New X-men. In fact as Jean questions is Sublime the future as in what fate holds in store for the X-men the Consciousness rejects this notion and says "this is now" as in no its not necessarily the future Sublime is just the current problem they face. Very fixable. So clinging on Jeans question NOT verification that Sublime is the future no longer serves your argument.
This is the sh1ttiest argument you've made so far. At this point you're arguing about what's stated in plain black and white in a handbook (your precious handbooks) and trying to insert your own imaginary feats into them since they don't show up on-panel.
Originally posted by zopzop
@OneDumbGOQuick question, then what do you make of the Phoenix Corps member telling Jean "if it was me, I'd just let it die" referring to the universe in her hand?
After the amputation of HCT from the main timeline (as confirmed by the m'kraan crystal entry which specifically states the ACTUAL reality was removed by Jean as opposed to a metaphorical universe in the shape of a lump of bacteria 🙄 ) 616 was left with an open wound that needed to be healed via the growth of a new future to replace the one Jean had cut away.
So Quentin was basically saying he wouldnt bother creating a new future for 616 and instead would leave reality to die which hints at how inconsequential any single reality is to a Phoenix. However Jean had emotional ties to 616 so she ignored Quentin and healed reality 🙂 👆
Originally posted by GalacticStormYou already admitted that Jean is staring at Sublime and refers to it as the "future." She's not being literal, she's being descriptive and general and it's purple prose -- as you already admit. So was the phrase "amputate the future." Here, for some dumb reason, you want it to be literal and even though telekinesis is nowhere mentioned at all, you want telekinesis to be used... on the future. On time. Telekinesis isn't used on time. For phuck's sake. Stop ignoring the obvious. If you had said she had chronal powers, it'd be more believable... but no... it's gotta be, of all things... telekinesis. On time. Christ on a biscuit.
After the amputation of HCT from the main timeline (as confirmed by the m'kraan crystal entry which specifically states the ACTUAL reality was removed by Jean as opposed to a metaphorical universe in the shape of a lump of bacteria 🙄 ) 616 was left with an open wound that needed to be healed via the growth of a new future to replace the one Jean had cut away.
Originally posted by GalacticStormBy giving it a different future, rather than one that would again succumb to disaster because Cyclops loses hope (with or without Sublime). How? By nudging Cyclops to love again. Sorry that the simplest explanation that's restated ad nauseam isn't good enough for you because it doesn't artificially invent a random telekinetic feat (two of them, even) out of its a$$.
So Quentin was basically saying he wouldnt bother creating a new future for 616 and instead would leave reality to die which hints at how inconsequential any single reality is to a Phoenix. However Jean had emotional ties to 616 so she ignored Quentin and healed reality 🙂 👆
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No sh1t, sherlock. That's a god damn clue you should be paying attention to. Such a monumental feat of "telekinetically removing a future" and it isn't even god damn mentioned. You ignore that on-panel, when Jean telekinetically removed Sublime, she referred to it as surgery, disinfection, amputation. You're trying to argue that amputation never applied to it. But we both know that disinfection isn't surgery either. So clearly, your whole red herring argument about what words precisely mean (a nice way of saying your peddling in sh1tty semantics) is already shot to sh1t. It's all the same purple prose. You even ignore that on-panel, when Jean telekinetically removed Sublime, she stares at Sublime's essence and refers to it as the future. It's awful that you're trying to distinguish words when you're trying to invent a new feat out of nowhere. Nuff said. No wait... let's phucking repeat it so that it's drilled into your head: Got it yet? No? How about now: Here Comes Tomorrow is not about your unnatural fetish for telekinetic feats. It's about sacrifice. OMG, but when Jean says "future" she refers to "Sublime"? But Sublime isn't technically a future! -- Sublime is a bacteria?! ............. you see why your sh1tty semantics means absolute crap when Grant Morrison is using purple prose? You should. Because you literally recognize it in one piece of dialogue by your own admission. Stop pretending that we're not allowed to for another piece of dialogue that immediately precedes it.This is the sh1ttiest argument you've made so far.
So basically your interpretation can NOT account for the discrepancies i highlighted so you'd rather take it to the argument maker? BRING IT boxing 😂
The great thing about Morrison's work is that it has so many layers that even years later you can still uncover things you didnt notice before.
Im not arrogant enough to not be able to go back and amend my argument for the sake of finding the truth behind these comic scenes we debate. Learn from me kid 😄
As it stands Sublime was questioned to be the future, the Force rejects this and says he is the current issue, not an unavoidable future.
Jean said she amputated the future, the handbook states she amputated the ACTUAL future and not a metaphorical one which your argument hinges on. Boohoo crybaby
Past alteration does NOT affect the future AT ALL. It merely creates a divergent reality.
It did not do that in this case. Why? Cos Jean went and amputated the future didnt she 😱
This was extremely enjoyable.
Bravo ODG. Bravo 😆
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You already admitted that Jean is staring at Sublime and refers to it as the "future." She's not being literal, she's being descriptive and general and it's purple prose -- as you already admit. So was the phrase "amputate the future." Here, for some dumb reason, you want it to be literal and even though telekinesis is nowhere mentioned at all, you want telekinesis to be used... on the future. On time. Telekinesis isn't used on time. For phuck's sake. Stop ignorng the obvious. If you had said she had chronal powers, it'd be more believable... but no... it's gotta be, of all things... telekinesis. Christ on a biscuit. By giving it a different future, rather than one that would again succumb to disaster because Cyclops loses hope (with or without Sublime). How? By nudging Cyclops to love again. Sorry that the simplest explanation that's restated ad nauseam isn't good enough for you because it doesn't artificially invent a random telekinetic feat (two of them, even) out of its a$$.
All of this waffle and yet all it comes down to is that Jean states she amputated the future, the handbook states she amputated the ACTUAL future. Jeans past alteration never left HCT intact in the multiverse like all marvel past alterations leave futures unaffected, Jeans actions actually perpetuated 616. WHY? 😖hifty:
Because she amputated the future. A different circumstance to all the previous past alteration instances you excitedly threw at me before like you actually had something.
Commiserations 🙁
Originally posted by GalacticStormYou highlighted nothing. You highlighted, inadvertently, that Jean isn't literal when sh refers to Sublime as "the future." Somehow, you can't stomach the simple notion that Jean wasn't being literal whn she said she "amputated the future." Christ on a stick. Nice double standard that I completely maneuvered you into. You didn't think I wanted you to get into this whole "oh, disinfection is slightly different from surgery or amputation, when taken in the literal sense, waah waah." Really? You don't remember when I completely shredded this argument years back?
So basically your interpretation can NOT account for the discrepancies i highlighted so you'd rather take it to the argument maker? BRING IT box 😂
Originally posted by GalacticStormWe went over this crap years ago. Stop acting like this is a new argument. I've heard everything you've regurgitated including this "we must take certain statements literally but not others" schpeal. Have a gander and rediscover your same inane arguments being shot down the same way: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=426282&pagenumber=64
The great thing about Morrison's work is that it has so many layers that even years later you can still uncover things you didnt notice before.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
To summarize amputation and disinfection are not interchangeable terms in the slightest. Surgery is an invasive procedure that usually involves the removal or the cutting of a patient’s tissue. Disinfection is a process to cleanse an area from infection by removing bacteria from an infection site. Methods to achieve this can involve temperature variation, irradiation, chemicals, antiseptics/antibiotics etc. It is not an invasive procedure, it is not surgery. It can however play a part of the treatment process. Surgeons clean the infection site prior to surgery. However one does not equate to the other.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Christ. Get new material. And don't pretend like you have any new material. It's insulting.
Oh jebus. Of course in the colloquial sense of the terms they are not interchangeable. But when you are dealing with the enigmatic and colorful speech that Jean and the Phoenix Force use when talking to each other, speech that could rightly be characterized as a conversation between two sides of a single consciousness, th///at make////s excess/////ive use of dash////es, then yes they are interchangeable. Especially when you have this particular panel:Simply from the response we get to Jean's wonderfully enigmatic and lofty prose, "... I had to amputate the future," we get the Phoenix Force's response, "Phoenix disinfection complete." There you go. It's that damn easy and that damn unequivocable.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You highlighted nothing. You highlighted, inadvertently, that Jean isn't literal when sh refers to Sublime as "the future." Somehow, you can't stomach the simple notion that Jean wasn't being literal whn she said she "amputated the future." Christ on a stick. Nice double standard that I completely maneuvered you into. You didn't think I wanted you to get into this whole "oh, disinfection is slightly different from surgery or amputation, when taken in the literal sense, waah waah." Really? You don't remember when I completely shredded this argument years back? We went over this crap years ago. Stop acting like this is a new argument. I've heard everything you've regurgitated including this "we must take certain statements literally but not others" schpeal. Have a gander and rediscover your same inane arguments being shot down the same way: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=426282&pagenumber=64 Christ. Get new material. And don't pretend like you have any new material. It's insulting.
So how is this addressing the discrepancies?
Highlighting the fact that ive just noticed the Force rejects Jeans notion that Sublime is the future is a helpful discovery in getting to the truth. It destroys your interpretation, especially when coupled with the fact that the handbook tells us to take Jeans statement that she amputated the future as literal.
Dont be mad ODG. Congratulate me. cheers
I think its time for bed. Whilst i sleep try working on those discrepancies or at least disappear. Night night 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm[/b]
Also in all of the cases you referred to without thinking properly when the past events were altered by the characters, that act had NO EFFECT ON THOSE ALTERNATE REALITIES WHATSOVER. All of those divergent realities remained in existence alongside 616.WHY?
Because as i quite helpfully informed you of previously:
Changing the past under NORMAL circumstances does not alter the future.
What made this case different and why does HCT no longer exist?
to altering the past.
Because Jean as stated specifically in the handbook amputated the obstructing future timeline [B]PRIOR
@OnedumbG0 and GS
I think GS is on to something when he said changing the past under normal circumstances does not change the future. In an issue of Quasar some being that Quasar couldn't stop was tricked into going back into time to achieve his goals. Another hero stated that this was madness since once there, he could basically conquer all reality. Quasar said that Uatu stated it's not that easy. Merely going back in time or trying to alter the future only produces an alternate timeline and does NOT affect mainstream reality.
^ In 616, at the beginning of Here Comes Tomorrow, did Cyclops reject Emma's advances? Yes. When Jean nudged him at the climax, did Cyclops accept Emma's advances? Yes. Was 616 changed? Yes. What you pointed out is, indeed, a comic book trope. But it's ignored just as often as it is relied upon. It's irrelevant to this discussion anyway because not even GalacticStorm is trying to argue that Jean didn't change what would have been the course of 616.
Originally posted by GalacticStormOH, what's wrong now?
So how is this addressing the discrepancies?Highlighting the fact that ive just noticed the Force rejects Jeans notion that Sublime is the future is a helpful discovery in getting to the truth. It destroys your interpretation, especially when coupled with the fact that the handbook tells us to take Jeans statement that she amputated the future as literal.
Dont be mad ODG. Congratulate me. cheers
I think its time for bed. Whilst i sleep try working on those discrepancies or at least disappear. Night night 😉
You don't like it when Jean and the Phoenix consciousness literally equate "amputation" and "disinfection" in their conversation? You think I forgot this little point? You think I wasn't just permitting you to throw yourself further onto your own sword? Yea, I'm a bastard for it but you took the bait like a champ trout... so CONGRATULATIONS:
Jean literally talks about Sublime and makes her statement, "Some kind of intelligent bacterial colony gone rogue... I... had to amputate the whole future."
And in direct response... the Phoenix consciousness literally states, "Phoen/////ix disinf///ection suc///cessf///ul." Yeah. Your whole "oh, when they say amputate... that's nothing to do with disinfect" is literally debunked right when the statements are made. Good job pretending that little black text bubble somehow doesn't exist. Christ in a trashcan.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
OH, what's wrong now?You don't like it when Jean and the Phoenix consciousness literally equate "amputation" and "disinfection" in their conversation? You think I forgot this little point? You think I wasn't just permitting you to throw yourself further onto your own sword? Yea, I'm a bastard for it but you took the bait like a champ trout... so CONGRATULATIONS:
Jean literally talks about Sublime and makes her statement, "Some kind of [b]intelligent bacterial colony
gone rogue... I... had to amputate the whole future."And in direct response... the Phoenix consciousness literally states, "Phoen/////ix disinf///ection suc///cessf///ul." Yeah. Your whole "oh, when they say amputate... that's nothing to do with disinfect" is literally debunked right when the statements are made. Good job pretending that little black text bubble somehow doesn't exist. Christ in a trashcan. [/B]
Its not equated. 🙄
Ooooo the desperation.
Jean removes Sublime from reality which is the disinfection, however as Jean states the infection was so bad that she had to resort to amputation.
In the Phoenixes eyes the mission to remove the bacteria from reality was a success.
Definition of disinfect- to free from infection.
Hence the:
"Phoenix disinfection successful"
Well done Jean clap
^ Nice deflection. I'm sure that (and this entire thread) worked out exactly how you wanted it to.
Originally posted by GalacticStormYou can't possibly be so dense as to think anybody would be fooled by your waffling. Jean literally holds Sublime (which she undeniably refers to as the "future"😉, Jean states she had to "amputate" the "future," and the Phoenix consciousness states that her "disinfection" was successful. Go away.
Its not equated. 🙄Ooooo the desperation.
Jean removes Sublime from reality which is the disinfection, however as Jean states the infection was so bad that she had to resort to amputation.
In the Phoenixes eyes the mission to remove the bacteria from reality was a success.
At this point, you're trolling. "Waaaah... Jean was being literal about amputating the future... but she wasn't being literal when she referred to Sublime as the future... waaah." Not only do we have on-panel confirmation that the "disinfection" and the "amputation" were the same thing, as confirmed in the handbook but your argument that they somehow aren't hinges on a completely hypocritical double-standard. It's insufferable.
Originally posted by GalacticStormFrom your mouth to God's ear. Projection, much? Yeah, say g'night.
I think its time for bed. Whilst i sleep try working on those discrepancies or at least disappear. Night night 😉
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You can't possibly be so dense as to think anybody would be fooled by your waffling. Jean literally holds Sublime (which she undeniably refers to as the "future"😉, Jean states she had to "amputate" the "future," and the Phoenix consciousness states that her "disinfection" was successful. Go away.At this point, you're trolling. "Waaaah... Jean was being literal about amputating the future... but she wasn't being literal when she referred to Sublime as the future... waaah." Not only do we have on-panel confirmation that the "disinfection" and the "amputation" were the same thing, as confirmed in the handbook but your argument that they somehow aren't hinges on a completely hypocritical double-standard. It's insufferable.
Jean was being literal about amputating the future and we know so because reality 15104 was actually separated from the multiverse and the past alteration perpetuated 616 and didnt just leave HCT intact? WHY? 😱
Cos there was no future reality to leave intact because Jean had disposed of it. D'OH! bangin
We know when Jean held Sublime and QUESTIONS is this the future that she was referring to the fate for her friends because of the following conversation where the Force rejects her notion and says this is the now, the present situation and goes on to say Jean caused this problem by becoming too emotionally attached with Jean saying her friends dont deserve this.
It really is over ODG. Find closure. Have a beer🍺
Originally posted by zopzop@OnedumbG0 and GS
I think GS is on to something when he said changing the past under normal circumstances does not change the future. In an issue of Quasar some being that Quasar couldn't stop was tricked into going back into time to achieve his goals. Another hero stated that this was madness since once there, he could basically conquer all reality. Quasar said that Uatu stated it's not that easy. Merely going back in time or trying to alter the future only produces an alternate timeline and does NOT affect mainstream reality.
Just like when Katherine Pryde from days of future past travelled back in time and possessed 616 Kittys body to change her future she went bk to her timeline to find nothing had changed.
And how AOA is still around despite Bishops past alteration. 👆
What happened to Here Comes Tomorrow? 😖hifty:
^ Jean's not trying to change the Here Comes Tomorrow reality. She was trying to prevent the 616 reality from becoming it. She succeeded. Stop chasing your own tail on this non-point.
Originally posted by GalacticStormThat happens when you change the future. It becomes an alternate reality and separates and branches off to become an alternate reality.
Jean was being literal about amputating the future and we know so because reality 15104 was actually separated from the multiverse and the past alteration perpetuated 616 and didnt just leave HCT intact? WHY? 😱
Originally posted by GalacticStormOf course, you're re-repeating an unextraordinary non-fact: when Jean says "future," she's referring to Sublime. She ain't bein literal. Of course, when Jeans says she "amputates the future" she can't possibly mean removing Sublime? You have to take that statement literally?
Cos there was no future reality to leave intact because Jean had disposed of it. D'OH! banginWe know when Jean held Sublime and QUESTIONS is this the future that she was referring to the fate for her friends because of the following conversation where the Force rejects her notion and says this is the now, the present situation and goes on to say Jean caused this problem by becoming too emotionally attached with Jean saying her friends dont deserve this.
Read English consistently. Do it wrong if you have to, bvut at least don't be such a horrible hypocrite about it, Jean and the Phoenix consciousness' conversation literally equate "amputate the future" with "Phoenix disinfection." No two ways about it:
Your precious handbook also literally states, that extracting Sublime led to the disinfection/amputation of the future:
What doesn't the comic or the handbook state? You already admitted it:
Originally posted by GalacticStormo inkling of telekinesis on futures (again, makes no damn sense, telekinesis works on matter not time)... or telekinetically summoning a universe (again, she only nudged Cyclops, why would she need to summon the universe to nudge Cyclops?). Enough with your projections, deflections and hypocrisies.
However your handbook entry makes no mention whatsoever of Jeans statement that she amputated the future, it doesnt account for that.---
Granted. Its not stated that Jeans amputation of HCT is a telekinetic one.
Originally posted by GalacticStormYeah, seriously. Get a new act. Good job goin to sleep. Oh wait... you can't go to sleep because of this thread. How honestly pathetic.
It really is over ODG. Find closure. Have a beer🍺
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Jean's not trying to change the Here Comes Tomorrow reality. She was trying to prevent the 616 reality from becoming it. She succeded. Stop chasing your own tail. That happens when you change the future. It becomes an alternate reality and separates and branches off to become an alternate reality. Of course, you're re-repeating an unextraordinary non-fact: when Jean says "future," she's referring to Sublime. She ain't bein literal. Of course, when Jeans says she "amputates the future" she can't possibly mean removing Sublime? You have to take that statement literally?Read English consistently. Do it wrong if you have to, bvut at least don't be such a horrible hypocrite about it, Jean and the Phoenix consciousness' conversation literally equate "amputate the future" with "Phoenix disinfection." No two ways about it:
Your precious handbook also literally states, that extracting Sublime led to the disinfection/amputation of the future:
What doesn't the comic or the handbook state? You already admitted it: Enough with your projections, deflections and hypocrisies. Yeah, seriously. Get a new act. Good job goin to sleep. Oh wait... you can't go to sleep because of this thread. How honestly pathetic.
1) If Jean never literally removed HCT from the multiverse then following her past alteration HCT would still exist in the multiverse. It does not. The handbook confirms that Phoenix severed the ACTUAL reality from the multiverse. Its stated explicitly do not try and present yourself as credible if you are going to blatantly ignore that and try and persuade people differently, the statement in the handbook is not open to interpretation. Dont try and play like the past alteration made the HCT diverge into an alternate reality so your point is true. Its actually stated it was severed from the multiverse, not that it diverged from the universe, it is no longer a part of the multiverse. Valiant effort clap
2) The statement from your handbook states that Jean disinfected the future reality. It then states she altered the past. That does not help your argument nor impede mine. Thats all true.
3) To disinfect is to free from infection. Phoenix first attempted to do so by extracting Sublime from Beasts body, following that she states that the infection was so bad she had to amputate the future. Her actions freed reality from infection. "Phoenix disinfection successful" bangin 😂
That was just cringeworthy blushing
Originally posted by GalacticStorm1) Handbooks, which as I've pointed out contradict you and mention not a damn thing about telekinesis on a future.
1) If Jean never literally removed HCT from the multiverse then following her past alteration HCT would still exist in the multiverse. It does not. The handbook confirms that Phoenix severed the ACTUAL reality from the multiverse. Its stated explicitly do not try and present yourself as credible if you are going to blatantly ignore that and try and persuade people differently, the statement in the handbook is not open to interpretation. Dont try and play like the past alteration made the HCT diverge into an alternate reality so your point is true. Its actually stated it was severed from the multiverse, not that it diverged from the universe, it is no longer a part of the multiverse. Valiant effort clap2) The statement from your handbook states that Jean disinfected the future reality. It then states she altered the past. That does not help your argument nor impede mine. Thats all true.
3) To disinfect is to free from infection. Phoenix first attempted to do so by extracting Sublime from Beats body, following that she states that the infection was so bad she had to amputate the future. Her actions freed reality from infection. "Phoenix disinfection successful" bangin 😂
That was just cringeworthy blushing
2) Handbooks, which as I've pointed out contradict you and mention not a damn thing about telekinesis on a future
3) On-panel, Jean refers to Sublime as the "future." Obviously, that's not meant to be literal as a bacterial organism isn't a timeline. Later, Jean says she "amputated the future." Somehow... the same exact term, "future," cannot possibly refer to Sublime. Wow. And now, Jean must be completely literal about this. Wow. Even though we have on-panel confirmation between Jean and Phoenix consciousness literally equating "Phoenix disinfection" and "amputate the future"? Just like the handbooks verify...
... that also mention nothing about telekinetically manipulating time, which... based on the amount of anal bleeding seeping from your rear... hurts you quite a bit.
Originally posted by GalacticStormAww... still restless? Even though you declared that you were going to sleep?
Take a nap. You just cannot hang with me todayboxing
Originally posted by GalacticStormYup. Still restless and unable to go to sleep. Because of a thread. Hey, why don't you declare that you're going to sleep again because you think you've posted good ninja spam. Maybe the false bravado'll work this time.
I think its time for bed. Whilst i sleep try working on those discrepancies or at least disappear. Night night 😉
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
1) Handbooks, which as I've pointed out contradict you and mention not a damn thing about telekinesis on a future.2) Handbooks, which as I've pointed out contradict you and mention not a damn thing about telekinesis on a future
3) On-panel, Jean refers to Sublime as the "future." Obviously, that's not meant to be literal as a bacterial organism isn't a timeline. Later, Jean says she a"amputatedthe future." Somehow... the same exact term, "future," cannot possibly refer to Sublime. Wow. And now, Jean must be completely literal. Wow. Even though we have on-panel confirmation between Jean and Phoenix consciousness literally equating "Phoenix disinfection" and "aputate the future"? Just like h handbooks verify...
1) They dont need to state that she used tk. I long ago was man enough and humble enough to say her amputation of the HCT timeline wasnt specified to involve tk so why you are still blabbing on about that i dont know. Got nothing else to say? Plus its not like the Phoenix only has telekinesis, according to her profile and on panel appearances she can generate any energy in any amount. We no longer need to focus on what power she used to amputate the future, we know she did 🙂
2) The handbooks dont contradict me in the slightest. One says she disinfected reality and altered the past, thats true. The second clarifies that during that incident she severed HCT from the multiverse. My interpretation reflects both of these. Yours makes assumptions on the 1st handbook entry such as the removal of Sublime equals the amputation of the universe which is at odds with the 2nd handbook which states Jean amputated the actual HCT universe. Bad luck kid.
3)Ummm. But what you dont seem to get is that since HCT no longer exists in the multiverse, since the official word is that it was severed from it, then we know that where she referred to amputating the future Jean was being literal. The fact that it never remained as a divergent reality says it all. Once again via handbook, on panel statement from Jean and the consequences of her actions you know that in the instance where she said she had amputated the future, she meant literally.
Jeans mission was to remove the bacterial infection from reality, to disinfect it. To disinfect is to free from infection. She freed reality from infection by 1st removing Sublime from Beast and when the infection was still too much she just amputated that reality. Rendering her disinfection mission successful. The Phoenix does not equate the terms disinfect and amputate thats your assumption/fabrication once again. It merely congratulates her on a completed objective. 👇
The other instance where she QUESTIONS if Sublime is the future she is told that is not the case and you admit that Sublime isnt literally the future, so the fact that the actual future was removed should be enough to end this argument.
Pride is a powerful driving force i see.
Now i really am gonna have a nap for now. Youre boring me to death death
