Phoenix vs Onslaught

Originally posted by Mr Master
False.

Reality 311 was never destroyed, it was preserved by the Council of Watchers.

That aside:

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[B]Earth 616: (616 Universe)

"Core Continuum designation given to the Prime Earth of the Marvel Universe,
Reality from which most Alternate Earths derive"

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So, a Core Continuum designation (or number)
is given to the Universes of Marvel.

Cool ....

1602 (Alternate Universe)

"Core Continuum Designation: Earth 311"

hm

Hey, just like Here Comes Tomorrow (Alternate Universe)

"Core Continuum Designation: Earth 15104"

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srugyellowshoes [/B]

Yep thats the reality designation it had and still has because it started off as a part of the multiversal tree.

Notice in the same way the Here Comes Tomorrow reality still possesses its reality designation because of its origins as a mainstream alternate reality, even though HCT is confirmed to no longer be a part of the marvel multiverse 🙂

If you read the marvel 1602 series you'd see that that reality was coming to an end and from the very scan you posted as far as the Watcher who was studying it knew, it had ended, hence being surprised by the revelation that the watcher high tribunal had managed to preserve elements of that reality "crafted from the fringes of alternity" to form a pocket universe that watcher could keep in a locket 🙂

I do so love doing this to you.

Carry on Emmie, give me something to work with 😆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Yep thats the reality designation it had and still has because it started off as a part of the multiversal tree.

Notice in the same way the Here Comes Tomorrow reality still possesses its reality designation because of its origins as a mainstream alternate reality, even though HCT is confirmed to no longer be a part of the marvel multiverse

If you read the marvel 1602 series you'd see that that reality was coming to an end and from the very scan you posted as far as the Watcher who was studying it knew, it had ended, hence being surprised by the revelation that the watcher high tribunal had managed to preserve elements of that reality "crafted from the fringes of alternity" to form a pocket universe that watcher could keep in a locket

Reality 311 never ended, and just cause the Council altered it,
doesn't stop it from being an alternate reality.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

I do so love doing this to you.

Believe me when I tell you I love what you do much more.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Carry on Emmie, give me something to work with

Originally posted by Mr Master
False.

Reality 311 never ended, and just cause the Council altered it,
doesn't stop it from being an alternate reality.

You make me shine all the time.
I mean, devouring your ridiculous completely unsupported
delusional fallacious claims is what the crowd loves.

Believe me when I tell you I love what you do much more.

Hey Pino ~~~> liar all you gots ta give me is your sista.

Reality unraveled in the series and as far as the Watcher knew it had done, hence his surprise in the scan you posted a scan you really should have read first where is presented with parts of that timeline he loved in pocket universe form.

Commiserations. Read the comic, like ODG dont rely on out of context scans to form your argument.

On the other hand if you have read the comic then youre a lost cause 😆

And as for the last comment my sister doesnt deal with scrubs who are all balls and baby sized parts 😱

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Yet again!

The Phoenix Force getting OWNED!

++++++++++

Archangel annihilates several X-Men and OWNS the Phoenix almost effortlessly,
even after withstanding the Phoenix's initial attack.

Don't make me bring out the 6 Heroes who stalemated and then displaced the Phoenix Force.

Or the Alien Ship that impaled and nearly killed the Phoenix Force.

Or the Shiar shattering it and nearly killing it as well.

Or Xorn exploding the Phoenix Force into billions of pieces,
while simultaneously killing the host. (Jean)

Or Quasar owning Rachel Summers with the full Force.

Or ...

ahh, whatever, this is all comedy. 😂

I know, I know, you'l just whip up some essay-like bullshit explanation
attempting to trivialize how the PF gets owned constantly.

@Mr. Master

Or Quasar owning Rachel Summers with the full Force.

This is false. At the time Rachel never had the full PF and was under a spell/mind control from Mordred.

And did you even read the scan concerning Archangel and Jean? He even said the Force betrayed her because she was using it in a way it didn't desire.

Originally posted by Mr Master
+++++++++++

Yet again!

The Phoenix Force getting OWNED!

++++++++++

Archangel annihilates several X-Men and OWNS the Phoenix almost effortlessly,
even after withstanding the Phoenix's initial attack.

Don't me bring out the 6 Heroes who stalemated and then displaced the Phoenix Force.

Or the Alien Ship that impaled and nearly killed the Phoenix Force.

Or the Shiar shattering it and nearly killing it as well.

Or Xorn exploding the Phoenix Force into billions of pieces,
while simultaneously killing the host. (Jean)

Or Quasar owning Rachel Summers with the full Force.

Or ...

ahh, whatever, this is all comedy. 😂

If you read the actual scans youre presenting you'll see that as artisitically presented and as stated by Archangel he never did a thing. The Phoenix turned on AOA Jean because she was attacking Archangel who was on a mission to restart evolution on Earth and with death and rebirth being what the Force perpetuates it shut Jean down 🙂

Good try 😂

Originally posted by zopzop
@Mr. Master

This is false. At the time Rachel never had the full PF and was under a spell/mind control from Mordred.

And did you even read the scan concerning Archangel and Jean? He even said the Force betrayed her because she was using it in a way it didn't desire. [/B]

Hes full of lies.

Hes angry because he expected to log back on and see that ODG (who he was relyin on) had me handled, but not only has the opposite happened but ive also rippled a part his fallacies in another thread so now hes quite immaturely on a revenge mission to demean the Phoenixes status through lies and out of context scans 🙂

Originally posted by zopzop
@Mr. Master

This is false.

At the time Rachel never had the full PF
and was under a spell/mind control from Mordred. [/B]

This is false.

Rachel had the full power of the Force in that issue,
and,
Mordred was controlling her but that didn't stop him from
harnessing the power she was tapping. (PF)

Originally posted by zopzop

And did you even read the scan concerning Archangel and Jean?
He even said the Force betrayed her because she was using it in a
way it didn't desire.

I told ya homie, stop doing that.

The betrayal has nothing to do with the ability to wield the power.

Read the book friend, then come back.

I honestly think it's just his and ODG's different take on what was going on in those HCT scans.

At this point, I can see where he and ODG are coming from with their opinions but then again statements like "it's an orphan universe" and "if it were me I'd just let it die" statement by the PC member concerning what Jean had in her hands is a slam dunk in favor of it being an actual universe and not merely a visualization. But I don't care about that anymore.

After all this, I'm more impressed with Jean erasing that future from the timeline WITHOUT causing a divergence, she literally wiped it out. Nothing short of the UN wielded by an experienced user can do that (so far that I've seen). And all this is backed up with on panel proof (I don't put much faith into Handbook stuff).

You know what could end this? Or at least add more insight into what was going on? If someone could contact the writer and ask him. I know Guy or someone else had luck contacting other writers and asking questions about certain comics. I wonder if that would be possible here?

Originally posted by Mr Master
@zopzop

This is false.

Rachel had the full power of the Force in that issue,
and,
Mordred was controlling her but that didn't stop him from
harnessing the power she was tapping. (PF)

Sorry MM but you are dead wrong. She DID NOT have the FULL PF. I defy you to prove it.

The Archangel scans speak for themselves though. Nothing more need by added by me.

Originally posted by Mr Master
@zopzop

This is false.

Rachel had the full power of the Force in that issue,
and,
Mordred was controlling her but that didn't stop him from
harnessing the power she was tapping. (PF)

Yea,
did you read the story are you still trying to make out an entire plot out of a scan or two?

I told ya homie, stop doing that.

The betrayal has nothing to do with the ability to wield the power.

Read the book friend, then come back.

Who cares either way?

The HCT feats stand. On this issue you have now conclusively lost.

You will deal young man 😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

If you read the actual scans youre presenting you'll see that as artisitically presented and as stated by Archangel he never did a thing. The Phoenix turned on AOA Jean because she was attacking Archangel who was on a mission to restart evolution on Earth and with death and rebirth being what the Force perpetuates it shut Jean down [/B]

Nice try back at ya.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The only thing that shut Jean down was Archangel via a blast:

Nice try back at ya.

Nope. As he actually stated in that scan, "the Phoenix betrays you"

Why? "You seek to stop that which it desires most..death and rebirth"

As he says that the Phoenix Force flies back at Jean stopping her from attacking Archangel further.

Good try at blatantly lying about whats explicitly stated and depicted on panel. 👇

Originally posted by zopzop

At this point, I can see where he and ODG are coming from with their opinions but then again statements like "it's an orphan universe" and "if it were me I'd just let it die" statement by the PC member concerning what Jean had in her hands is a slam dunk in favor of it being an actual universe and not merely a visualization. But I don't care about that anymore.

Yea, a hologram visualization of reality 15104,
or simply an image as in a picture, or a display on a screen,
or rather a projection of a model, in this case, a universe.

"if it were me I'd just let it die" ...

Yea,
who cares about some alternate possible future of the countless possible futures in Marvel:

Earth 691 - GOTG: (the 31st Century of the 616 Universe)

"There is a Second that wrestles with Eternity.
A heartbeat forever frozen in the tapestry of Time,
This is such a moment ...

The Year is 3017 A.D in ONE of the MANY Possible Futures of the Multiverse"

Originally posted by zopzop

After all this, I'm more impressed with Jean erasing that future
from the timeline WITHOUT causing a divergence, she literally
wiped it out. Nothing short of the UN wielded by an experienced
user can do that (so far that I've seen). And all this is backed up
with on panel proof (I don't put much faith into Handbook stuff).

What the hell are you talking about?

Jean simply went back in time to Present 616,
changed Scott's mind about leaving the X-Men, and .. that's it.

That's how Reality 15104 cease to exist.

Scott Summers created reality 15104, and nullified it via his decision.
Scott Summers' decision was the make it or break it for that universe.

I don't know what kind of bull shit you're falling for,
but if you call that UN capable only, I think I wanna know where you get your smoke.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Jean simply went back in time to Present 616,
changed Scott's mind about leaving the X-Men, and .. that's it.

That's how Reality 15104 cease to exist.

I don't know what kind of bull shit you're falling for,
but if you call that UN capable only, I think I wanna know where you get your smoke.

Its actually stated on panel that Jean amputated it from reality and the handbook explicitly states that reality 15104 was severed from the multiverse by Phoenix BEFORE she then went on to change Scotts reaction to replace the future she cut off with a new one.

Phoenix altering Scotts reaction only replaced the reality. Phoenix got rid of that timeline before any past alteration even occurred and thats official.

Learn to accept defeat like an adult. If its stated clearly on panel and very clearly in a handbook then its game over. Grow up 👆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

As he says that

the Phoenix Force flies back at Jean stopping her from attacking Archangel further.

Yea, clearly the Force is flying back at Jean: 😐

Uhh, oops, no, that's Archangel ejecting a purple blast out of his eyes,
which floors Phoenix for the k.o..

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Good try at blatantly lying about whats explicitly stated and depicted on panel.

Good try at blatantly lying about whats explicitly depicted on panel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
"it's an orphan universe" ...

Yea, a hologram visualization of reality 15104,
or simply an image as in a picture, or a display on a screen,
or rather a projection of a model, in this case, a universe.

"if it were me I'd just let it die" ...

Yea,
who cares about some alternate possible future of the countless possible futures in Marvel:

[b]Earth 691 - GOTG: (the 31st Century of the 616 Universe)

"There is a Second that wrestles with Eternity.
A heartbeat forever frozen in the tapestry of Time,
This is such a moment ...

The Year is 3017 A.D in ONE of the MANY Possible Futures of the Multiverse"

😆

Uhm ok? GS and I view it as an actual alternate reality universe, you and ODG see it as merely a visualtization in her hands. This won't be settled here but if only someone could contact the writer or something it would be interesting to see his thoughts on this.

What the hell are you talking about?

Jean simply went back in time to Present 616,
changed Scott's mind about leaving the X-Men, and .. that's it.

That's how Reality 15104 cease to exist.

Scott Summers created reality 15104, and nullified it via his decision.
Scott Summers' decision was the make it or break it for that universe.

I don't know what kind of bull shit you're falling for,
but if you call that UN capable only, I think I wanna know where you get your smoke.

What am I talking about? Go back and read the previous posts (starts on page 5)where GS and I posted on panel proof that simply going back in time doesn't change the future. You'll be pleasantly surprised. Or not.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Will you stop lying? ... Just once?

Yea, clearly the Force is flying back at Jean: 😐

Uhh, oops, no, that's [b]Archangel ejecting a purple blast out of his eyes,
which floors Phoenix for the k.o..

Wow, talk about a post most deserving of what you do, what you are.

Good try at blatantly lying about whats explicitly depicted on panel. [/B]

Since when has Archangel been depicted in comics as a destructive energy wielder? Furthermore when has he been depicted as being able to project firebird projected energy forms? 🙄

How can you lie so blatantly? 😕

Originally posted by zopzop

What am I talking about? Go back and read the previous posts (starts
on page 5)where GS and I posted on panel proof that simply going
back in time doesn't change the future.

You'll be pleasantly surprised.
Or not.

Since I know all that crap already, and in no way does it help Jean.

"GS and I" (you) have done nothing imo that changes anything about this discussion.

I don't care what unrelated, irrelevant outside source anyone ontains to derail facts.

Simple.

Scott Summers left the X-Men in 616 and this caused "Here Comes Tomorrow" to diverge,
like all What Ifs.

Now,
had Scott never made that decision, then "Here Comes Tomorrow" (Reality 15104) does not diverge,
in other words, it's NEVER created, it never existed.

So,
Jean goes back in time to the point BEFORE Scott makes this decision,
she mind rapes him to change that decision and instead stay with the X-Men,
because of this, "Here Comes Tomorrow" (Reality 15104) never was.

Simple, and I'm done. swank

Originally posted by Mr Master
Not.

Since I know all that crap already, and in no way does it help Jean.

"GS and I" (you) have done nothing imo that changes anything about this discussion.

I don't care what unrelated, irrelevant outside source anyone ontains to derail facts.

Simple.

Scott Summers left the X-Men in 616 and this caused "Here Comes Tomorrow" to diverge,
like all What Ifs.

Now,
had Scott never made that decision, then "Here Comes Tomorrow" (Reality 15104) does not diverge,
in other words, it's NEVER created, it never existed.

So,
Jean goes back in time to the point BEFORE Scott makes this decision,
she mind rapes him to change that decision and instead stay with the X-Men,
because of this, "Here Comes Tomorrow" (Reality 15104) never was.

Simple, and I'm done. swank

All bull because as we've proven you cant affect a future timeline through past alteration.

That point alone rubbishes your whole post.

Furthermore it was Jean not doing her Phoenix work, getting too emotionally engaged and being too human and dying that caused HCT as stated by the Phoenix Consciousness on panel.

Wrong again 😱