Top Tier/Herald Class: Who is the #1 p4p?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
how so? with the exception of thor/brb.. hulk type characters...everyone else in high herald tier has comparable speeds, so clarks speed wont factor AT ALL

Only Surfer has proven to have similar combat speeds (although slightly inferior) than Superman. That is why he is #1.

If all fought in character then Superman can beat any of them. If they don't fight in character then Superman is at a large disadvantage against Surfer and no one else.

Superman doesn't lack in one on one situations against other heralds. He just lacks against foes where physical might may not be the answer.

Originally posted by h1a8
Only Surfer has proven to have similar combat speeds (although slightly inferior) than Superman. That is why he is #1.

If all fought in character then Superman can beat any of them. If they don't fight in character then Superman is at a large disadvantage against Surfer and no one else.

Superman doesn't lack in one on one situations against other heralds. He just lacks against foes where physical might may not be the answer.

wtf comic book have u been reading? every high herald worth his salt can boost their strength to compensate for any strength (however slight) clark may have

as far as surfer is concerned..he is arguably faster, he just doesnt fight like that, he's a flyer/blaster type, he's not a physical brawler

and even without weakness exploitation surfer is a head above clark..dc fanboys just dont like to admit it

^Or maybe you are just talking about "forum surfer" which doesn't exist. Surfer's a peer of kal, he would take him 6-6.5/10 but nothing more.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
wtf comic book have u been reading? every high herald worth his salt can boost their strength to compensate for any strength (however slight) clark may have

as far as surfer is concerned..he is arguably faster, he just doesnt fight like that, he's a flyer/blaster type, he's not a physical brawler

and even without weakness exploitation surfer is a head above clark..dc fanboys just dont like to admit it

As a rule, characters can only perform as they have shown and not more. That means the limit to what someone can amp is the maximum of what they have shown. Otherwise, we can get into the slippery slope syndrome of letting character exceed TOAA. Surfer would beat the sh!t out of Thanos if he was allowed to amp past Thanos.

Surfer is not faster than Superman in combat. In travel speed they are comparable though.

Without weakness explotation Superman wins a slight majority against Surfer (in character) due to greater skill and greater speed than the hammer bros.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk in a calm state punching someone, causing planetary destruction.

Trans+.

Why do you always takes things out of context. There fighting in the Earth's mantle, so every little things they do in there effects the world far more than if they were fighting above ground.

^ I find this sort of scrutiny hilarious.

Not because the scrutiny is unjustified, but just because Superman and Phantom Zone Zod shattering a planet with their blows, Thanos beating all the heroes w/ only Power Gem, Kyle containing a Big Bang, Wolverine never really being a true mutant before 1986 when he was "finally written correctly," Superman powering gigantic galaxy gears, PotWC using telekinesis on future timelines, Flash running 13 trillion times speed of light, Sabretooth never really being a true mutant before 1996 when he "finally written correctly," etc. all passed muster for years on end.

So either posters have become smarter, more discerning readers in the present, or posters were phucking retarded lil twits in the past.

Both writers and readers have become more knowledgeable.

The internet is more convenient than the library.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Both writers and readers have become more knowledgeable.

The internet is more convenient than the library.

Or readers who post on battleboards seem to suddenly get a keen eye for details when it suits their cause.

Originally posted by "Id"
That's right, I am asking you KMC members under the Herald Classification. Just who is the #1 p4p character.

If possible can you make a top 10 p4p ranking, explaining your reasons.

Go!

2. Superman/Genis Vell- Superman is Superman. Genis Vell can kick anyone's ass on this list if it came down to it.

3. Silver Surfer/Martian Manhunter- Too many options for each. The PC and MM's telepathy are game changers.

4. Wonder Woman/Adam Warlock- Both have the best one shot weapons in comics. Lasso/Soul Gem. They both have incredible strength, speed, and fighting skills. They also both have many powers to call upon.

5. Maxima/Black Bolt- These two have so many powers. Both are incredible fighters. Maxima's TP, and BB's voice can end the fights early on should they choose to use them.

6. Firestorm/Beta Ray Bill- FS can do anything, and BRB is like Thor but meaner.

7. Captain Marvel/Gladiator- These guys are basically the best flying bricks of their respective realities.

8. Nova Prime/Captain Atom- Both wield universal type power sources.

9. Xman/Hal Jordan- Xman is arguably the best Psy in comics (Herald class and under) and Hal Jordan can do anything and get away with it because the rings can do, well, anything.

10. Wally West/Hulk- Both of these guys can take one power and make it pwn entire teams. Various uses and applications of their single power make them actually the most dangerous duo on the list.

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Originally posted by Sin I AM
how so? with the exception of thor/brb.. hulk type characters...everyone else in high herald tier has comparable speeds, so clarks speed wont factor AT ALL

Not really. In terms of combat speed, Superman is faster than the majority of heralds. He's stronger than a majority of them, and he's a good deal more durable too, even when they try to use weakness exploitation.

Superman isn't like Wolverine, where they get a character with limited powers and make him beat people well above his pay grade. They actually take the time to MAKE him that tough and formidable.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
wtf comic book have u been reading? every high herald worth his salt can boost their strength to compensate for any strength (however slight) clark may have

as far as surfer is concerned..he is arguably faster, he just doesnt fight like that, he's a flyer/blaster type, he's not a physical brawler

and even without weakness exploitation surfer is a head above clark..dc fanboys just dont like to admit it

Not really.

travel speed, norrin is faster. combat speed you could easily argue that superman is faster.

Not really. 😬

I'm sorry Sin, but I'm getting the distinct impression you've been reading the wrong people on this forum.

Originally posted by dmills
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He's a sock, sadly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
^Or maybe you are just talking about "forum surfer" which doesn't exist. Surfer's a peer of kal, he would take him 6-6.5/10 but nothing more.

i didnt say he greatly outclassed him...i said he's slightly above, and would take the maj

Originally posted by h1a8
As a rule, characters can only perform as they have shown and not more. That means the limit to what someone can amp is the maximum of what they have shown. Otherwise, we can get into the slippery slope syndrome of letting character exceed TOAA. Surfer would beat the sh!t out of Thanos if he was allowed to amp past Thanos.

Surfer is not faster than Superman in combat. In travel speed they are comparable though.

Without weakness explotation Superman wins a slight majority against Surfer (in character) due to greater skill and greater speed than the hammer bros.

I know this, im stating that any strength advantage that clark "may" have over norrin could easily be equalized by pc amping.

Debatable, SS isnt depicted as a brawler, he is a flying blaster...so of course it would appear that his combat speed is > Superman

what makes u believe he has greater skill?

^What is the max strength amping surfer has done on-panel, not speculation? Superman is definitely faster in combat.
Superman has used nerve strikes and stalemated one of the most skilled bricks Orion numereous times in h2h.

Originally posted by abhilegend
^What is the max strength amping surfer has done on-panel, not speculation? Superman is definitely faster in combat.
Superman has used nerve strikes and stalemated one of the most skilled bricks Orion numereous times in h2h.

Originally posted by dmills
Or readers who post on battleboards seem to suddenly get a keen eye for details when it suits their cause.

This.

I thought abom was reduced to some what below his original level after bruce leeched his excessive gamma energies, that's a good feat anyway. Oh and surfer needed to amp his strength to match Thing iirc.

Getting in to a fist-fight with Superman would be one of the stupidest things Surfer could do, tbh, especially when we consider that a, it's one of Superman's best avenues of attack, and b) the kind of people Superman has beaten in h2h combat.

Getting in to a fist-fight would be playing in to Superman's hands, big time.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Surfer has physically beat down classic Abomination that was 2x a Savage Hulk iirc.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Getting in to a fist-fight with Superman would be one of the stupidest things Surfer could do, tbh, especially when we consider that a, it's one of Superman's best avenues of attack, and b) the kind of people Superman has beaten in h2h combat.

Getting in to a fist-fight would be playing in to Superman's hands, big time.

👆

Surfer has also withstood prolonged assaults from skyfather+ beings. rematerialised from atoms (against UniLord) and been sliced and diced without any effect.

Surfer can take assaults from T&A, Superman isn't doing anything much that Surfer cannot endure and counter.

Basically Surfer outmatches Superman on every metric of measure.