Top Tier/Herald Class: Who is the #1 p4p?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
imo because there is no basis for this but i do believe i hold the general concensus

in order to be a trans level character u have to he at LEAST a galactic level threat and or manipulate energy/ destroy matter on that scale

would u really place hulk in a class with Amazo or classic strange?...

Like I've said before, there are people in the trans tier thats never accomplished any of that outside of tech. Let's not go there because we would have to depower a great deal of people. Hell, Amazo never accomplished these types of fts and using his average showings, he shouldn't be at the tier he is at on KMC...Amazo is where he is at because of his powers and versatility, not because of what he has accomplished.

I think a trans level character slot should be reserved for people who can easily defeat teams of high heralds singlehandedly. Doomsday, SBP, Amazo and Strange fit this classification as they have a history of doing so. They should demonstrate their clear superiority to high heralds by completely owning them without trouble.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I think a trans level character slot should be reserved for people who can easily defeat teams of high heralds singlehandedly. Doomsday, SBP, Amazo and Strange fit this classification as they have a history of doing so. They should demonstrate their clear superiority to high heralds by completely owning them without trouble.

Black Adam, Despero, Hulk (has done this on numerous of occasions), Magneto...all of these people have done this as well. The tier setup isn't organized imo.

What team of high heralds has Hulk easily beaten down all at once?

Originally posted by carver9
Like I've said before, there are people in the trans tier thats never accomplished any of that outside of tech. Let's not go there because we would have to depower a great deal of people. Hell, Amazo never accomplished these types of fts and using his average showings, he shouldn't be at the tier he is at on KMC...Amazo is where he is at because of his powers and versatility, not because of what he has accomplished.

did u read my post....galactic level threat, or manipulate/destroy matter/energy on that scale

Originally posted by carver9
Black Adam, Despero, Hulk (has done this on numerous of occasions), Magneto...all of these people have done this as well. The tier setup isn't organized imo.

Originally posted by Digi
This is far from the only problem with classification. Simply put, anything resembling definitive is impossible. At best, it's a rough gauge for those who are new to comics. Very knowledgeable fans could never come to a consensus. Any ranking system has a very limited capacity at informing more nuanced vs. discussion.

No need to shoot for definitive as definitive implies closed canon, be all end all. Imo tiers in and of themselves are merely a tool to gauge characters in relation to one another based on feats, showings et al. It's up to the posters to to make the case as to why one character beats another in public debate. Its all about what you can prove, and it always balances out in the end as far as I can tell.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not if I wanted to live with myself.

my sentiments exactly.

Now dont get me wrong, im a huge hulk fan, and love the push he's been getting as earths strongest mortal, but at the end of the day if he needed to be put down and his friends was serious about doing it there are tons of people on marvel earth who could take him out...

imo amazo/strange/onslaught/ is a trans tier character because he can defeat a non jobbing

superman
wonder woman
a compatant gl
aquaman
martian manhunter
and a flash for the majorit. Magneto cant do this, neither can hulk.

to me the epitome of subskyfather is King Thor...not RKT, King Thor. Everything he was able to do and accomplished prior to mastery over the runes set the example for me

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What team of high heralds has Hulk easily beaten down all at once?

He fought the Avengers on more than one occasion and once, he was working them while dying. The latest Hulk...it was stated that no team on Earth can stand up to him which lead to the Avengers using Skaar as a tool since he was Hulks son.

Superman
Thor
Silver Surfer
Hulk
Sentry
Kyle
Sinestro
Hal
Cyborg Superman
Orion
Barry
Wally
Photon
Zemo
Shaman X-Man
Majestic
Captain Atom
Nova Prime
Quasar
Lobo

Originally posted by carver9
He fought the Avengers on more than one occasion and once, he was working them while dying. The latest Hulk...it was stated that no team on Earth can stand up to him which lead to the Avengers using Skaar as a tool since he was Hulks son.

So which high heralds, as in more than one, did Hulk effortlessly beat and has done so consistently?

Originally posted by carver9
He fought the Avengers on more than one occasion and once, he was working them while dying. The latest Hulk...it was stated that no team on Earth can stand up to him which lead to the Avengers using Skaar as a tool since he was Hulks son.

Originally posted by King Kandy
What teams of high heralds have Magneto and Hulk owned without trouble? If they easily and consistently beat teams of top tiers, then yes by all means put them in trans.

So Black Adam is trans tier?

the avengers have no high herald level beings on there team!!! wtf carver

Originally posted by carver9
So Black Adam is trans tier?

Originally posted by carver9
So Black Adam is trans tier?

No, because he can and has been stalemated by other heralds (ie. Captain Marvel) and that is the consistent normal portrayal of him.

Originally posted by carver9
He fought the Avengers on more than one occasion and once, he was working them while dying. The latest Hulk...it was stated that no team on Earth can stand up to him which lead to the Avengers using Skaar as a tool since he was Hulks son.

IMO, Hulk could never be a herald level being simply because he can't fly or teleport. ANY version of Hulk can easily be defeated by ANY herald level being by bfr.

Glads could have just uppercutted or thrown him into space if he wanted to.

You know this, that's why nearly every thread you or a Hulk fan opens states NO BFR.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So which high heralds, as in more than one, did Hulk effortlessly beat and has done so consistently?

There isn't a team of high Heralds that exist in Marvel minus the Annihilators.

Hulk has walked through high Heralds though. He outright stomped Genis. He destroyed Gladiator, Thor was on the other end of the table when it was stated that the entire Avenger line up doesn't stand a chance against Hulk. He ran through Herc...withstood an assault from an amped Strange and then beat the hell out of him. Overpowered an amped Onslaught that was at his physical peak of holding back earth defense. Current Hulk is much more than the Hulk that performed these fts and as stated numerous of Times, no force on Earth stands a chance against him. People thinking twice of facing him is proof of his power.

Originally posted by h1a8
IMO, Hulk could never be a herald level being simply because he can't fly or teleport. ANY version of Hulk can easily be defeated by ANY herald level being by bfr.

Glads could have just uppercutted or thrown him into space if he wanted to.

You know this, that's why nearly every thread you or a Hulk fan opens states NO BFR.

So what tier is Doomsday?