Originally posted by King Kandy
He doesn't have the versatility to compete with any of those four imo. The only one I may give him the win over is Warlock because he has occasionally been overwhelmed by physically strong characters.
Versatility =/= power, though, and he's only relatively un-versatile. It's not as if it's hindered him much before.
--
Also, lol @ the definition of trans for Hulk. Superman has steamrolled teams of heralds (including the JLA), but we don't put him at trans level do we? No.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...you are not making sense. As for Hulk...he was delivering punches that earth heroes was incapable of walking through. The shockwaves was forcing everyone back and creating planetary shockwaves.http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2126/onslaught1a2ii.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3433/onslaught1b6nt.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5554/onslaught1c7fw.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3563/onslaught1d0lm.jpg
Say you wanted to bfr me yet I had a great deal of speed and relentlessness.
Would it be easy?
Now say you are a lot faster than me. Would it be easy?
Lastly, I don't care if Hulk can hit with punches that can disintegrate any herald on contact. He still can be easily beat by bfr and thus can never be considered a herald level being. Do you like apples? Well I got Hulk's number, how do you like those apples?herald level being. Do you like apples?
Originally posted by h1a8
Say you wanted to bfr me yet I had a great deal of speed and relentlessness.
Would it be easy?Now say you are a lot faster than me. Would it be easy?
Lastly, I don't care if Hulk can hit with punches that can disintegrate any herald on contact. He still can be easily beat by bfr and thus can never be considered a herald level being. Do you like apples?
Its hard even getting Hulk off of his ft let alone bfring him. It's not a easy task at all. It's not easy to bfr Doomsday either. They are both physical power house.
Doomsday doesn't have a single speed ft under his belt for you to announce that he can prevent someone from bfring him. Show me a speed ft from Doomsday outside of something Hulk has done.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Versatility =/= power, though, and he's only relatively un-versatile. It's not as if it's hindered him much before.--
Also, lol @ the definition of trans for Hulk. Superman has steamrolled teams of heralds (including the JLA), but we don't put him at trans level do we? No.
That wasn't one of the reasons I put Hulk at the tier he is at. Fighting teams isn't enough imo since almost everyone and their grandmoma has done it.
Originally posted by carver9
That wasn't one of the reasons I put Hulk at the tier he is at. Fighting teams isn't enough imo since almost everyone and their grandmoma has done it.
and yet you've brought it up more than once, or gone with the "heralds unable to affect hulk" argument even though, like you said, it's been done.
though not nearly as much as you claim.
Originally posted by -Pr-
and yet you've brought it up more than once, or gone with the "heralds unable to affect hulk" argument even though, like you said, it's been done.though not nearly as much as you claim.
I put Hulk in a tier above most due to the people I think he could beat in a fight and what it would take to drop him (along with how hard he hits). It's not because he has done good against team because that has always been consistent with the character.
My vote goes to Superman in terms of versatility, and if I were a group leader, and had to pick one of the obvious elite top tiers, it would be him. If I had to choose which character I could be up to that level, it would also be him.
1. He looks like a normal human.
2. He's not the strongest, but he's up there.
3. His speed. There are faster characters but he's fast enough.
4. He's tough
5. He's super smart
6. He can fly very fast
7. His vision powers are amazing
8. All around, none of the other Heralds can do as much as he can.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Saying he's trans is, tbh, laughable, when you won't people with comparable (or superior) feats the same benefit of the doubt.and it's in general laughable too.
It shouldn't be laughable since people like HP Doomsday is a high trans and Current Hulk is FAR stronger than him. The only thing Hulk is missing is versatility and that shouldn't be something that should be used to put someone in a certain tier.
Originally posted by Stoic
My vote goes to Superman in terms of versatility, and if I were a group leader, and had to pick one of the obvious elite top tiers, it would be him. If I had to choose which character I could be up to that level, it would also be him.1. He looks like a normal human.
2. He's not the strongest, but he's up there.
3. His speed. There are faster characters but he's fast enough.
4. He's tough
5. He's super smart
6. He can fly very fast
7. His vision powers are amazing
8. All around, none of the other Heralds can do as much as he can.
This could be said about a lot of characters. Sentry, Gladiator, Hyperion, Mimic...etc, etc.
Originally posted by Stoic
My vote goes to Superman in terms of versatility, and if I were a group leader, and had to pick one of the obvious elite top tiers, it would be him. If I had to choose which character I could be up to that level, it would also be him.1. He looks like a normal human.
2. He's not the strongest, but he's up there.
3. His speed. There are faster characters but he's fast enough.
4. He's tough
5. He's super smart
6. He can fly very fast
7. His vision powers are amazing
8. All around, none of the other Heralds can do as much as he can.
lol
Originally posted by carver9
It shouldn't be laughable since people like HP Doomsday is a high trans and Current Hulk is FAR stronger than him. The only thing Hulk is missing is versatility and that shouldn't be something that should be used to put someone in a certain tier.
Don't pretend you know anything about HP Doomsday 😬
Originally posted by carver9
This could be said about a lot of characters. Sentry, Gladiator, Hyperion, Mimic...etc, etc.
They don't do it as impressively as Superman does, though, which is the point.
Originally posted by carver9
Its hard even getting Hulk off of his ft let alone bfring him. It's not a easy task at all. It's not easy to bfr Doomsday either. They are both physical power house.Doomsday doesn't have a single speed ft under his belt for you to announce that he can prevent someone from bfring him. Show me a speed ft from Doomsday outside of something Hulk has done.
Hulk weighs less than a ton. Do the math.
Also, DD has lots of speed feats. Feats includes, hitting the entire JL simultaneously (including Superman) and having Superman complain about his speed, blitzing DS from a mile away before DS can turn around (In one panel DD was a mile away in the next panel he was right up on DS), etc.
Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk weighs less than a ton. Do the math.Also, DD has lots of speed feats. Feats includes, hitting the entire JL simultaneously (including Superman) and having Superman complain about his speed, blitzing DS from a mile away before DS can turn around (In one panel DD was a mile away in the next panel he was right up on DS), etc.
Hulk has been hit by continuous blast that had enough power to knock planets off course, hit by Thor, hit by Onslaught, punched and hit by a team of Avengers, and the list goes on...he either powers through it or stands his ground. His strength doesn't allow people to simply bfr him.
Lol at those speed fts. Doomsday jumped into a group of clogged up JLA members and he has never been to fast for Superman.
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk has been hit by continuous blast that had enough power to knock planets off course, hit by Thor, hit by Onslaught, punched and hit by a team of Avengers, and the list goes on...he either powers through it or stands his ground. His strength doesn't allow people to simply bfr him.Lol at those speed fts. Doomsday jumped into a group of clogged up JLA members and he has never been to fast for Superman.
An uppercut is an upward hit. There's nothing to brace against like being hit frontal wise. Also being picked up and thrown upward is similar. Spider-man can even lift Hulk upwards with no problem.
DS has hella reflexes (probably ftl ones) yet he couldn't turn around to engage the incoming DD. Superman never has complained about anyone's speed (other than flash or zoom) in his entire life. DD popped him with ALL of the other JL before they can respond. How in the hell do you hit multiple people standing at different positions feet away all at the same time, and one member is Superman who complained of your speed right after the hit?
Originally posted by carver9
Its hard even getting Hulk off of his ft let alone bfring him. It's not a easy task at all. It's not easy to bfr Doomsday either. They are both physical power house.Doomsday doesn't have a single speed ft under his belt for you to announce that he can prevent someone from bfring him. Show me a speed ft from Doomsday outside of something Hulk has done.
He bypassed the Olympian's 'divine grace and trounced him, when even WW couldn't.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/6339454/Outsiders_v4_037015.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/6339467/Outsiders_v4_037016.jpg.html credit to guy
It was also said that he was 'faster than the flash by booster gold, just to establish the character's speed.
Not that speed is the determining factor. DD is pretty fast though. Just to clear that up with a few examples.
