Originally posted by leonidasi'm curious though--if you think 616 eternity is just one
universe, where do you place things like all the splinter realms
(hell, cyttorak's universe, vishanti's universe, etc....)? asgard?
olympus? are they within 616 eternity? we've seen alternate
versions of all these things. so, where do you put them if not inside
616 eternity? do they exist on their own somehow? and if they are
within eternity (which is what i believe) then eternity (616) can
indeed be viewed as multiversal. the term 'universe' is too limiting
and forces a hierarchy that doesn't consistenly fit. eternity is also
referred to the totality, the sum of all things, etc..... those terms fit
better my impression of what 616--and all eternities--are.
Cyttorak's reality is outside 616.
Vishanti's reality is outside 616.
Asgard and Olympus, those are pocket realms.
Hell, another pocket realm.
This gives no reason at all to consider 616 Eternity being a Multiverse.
Originally posted by leonidasagain, we see that dormmy created his own world.
how you or anyone can go and say he ruled completely over the
entire multiverse (so NO alternate universes existed that were not
ruled by dormmy?) i have no idea. what you're saying is that there
was no alternate where dormmy chose NOT to act. where the exis
did NOT shift in that way.
There's literally ten references to it being far more than universal.
It was even directly mentioned at-least five times that it was Multiversal.
"It always comes down to conquering the Universe,
well ... Multiverse in my case"
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If the writers had Dormy only re-created 616,
it's doesn't take away from the power in possession.
Then again, it could be interpreted as the Multiverse indeed.
Dormy was also jobbering to ridiculous levels in that story.
Originally posted by leonidasit's been said in comics (in what ifs and other places) that each
time a choice is made, a divergent universe is born. and yet, to
say that dormmy took control over the entire multiverse means
nothing--no what ifs, no nothing, existed that he didn't absolutely
control. i have problems with this pov. we only saw him in control
of ONE 'place', not ALL places. then we have the simple issue that
multi-eternity is never named at all. you think the author wrote
that assuming readers would just.....figure it out for themselves? IF
he were aware of the multi-entity, you'd think he'd have mentioned
that.
There is no "multi" Eternity. So I can see why a writer wouldn't include that.
All the other references and direct statements cover the Multiverse issue.
Also,
just cause Dormy wasn't artistically shown controlling each
individual universe doesn't mean he did not, after all, that would be a daunting to ask to achieved artistically anyway, actually impossible.
No, we know Dormy/Umar were Multiversal because that's what the
writer repeated through out the story, across all the books.
Originally posted by leonidasthen, if not mentioning his name and forcing readers to make
assumptions many wouldn't even be aware of in the first place
wasn't enough, the writer goes out of his way to TELL us that was
616 eternity that faced dormmy. man, that's a LOT of confusion
he's put in there. yet on top of that we have to assume that
dormmy took control of multi because something happened where
dormmy 'somehow'..... took over multi from WITHIN 616 eternity?
All Eternities share the same consciousness.
When one speaks, it's as though all of them are speaking.
I remember the Reality Korvac nullified, an alternate universe.
Yet, when it spoke, it stated that this was one aspect of its totality.
Now, that sure wasn't 'Multi' ... or 616, or a Multiverse,
it was the singular reality Korvac lived in,
but it speaks as though it is the sum of All Eternity.
Simple, ... one consciousness ... spread across infinity.
Originally posted by leonidas616 eternity has always been comprised of numerous
dimensions/universes/etc, and that viewpoint HAS been supported
on panel. if we take that view, dormmy took over the 616 version
of eternity, no missing names, no wild assumptions. he did what
was shown. simple and crystal clear, imo.
I disagree.
616 Eternity contains numerous pocket dimensions/universes,
but not a single other entire universe.
Originally posted by leonidaswhew. sorry for the lengthy reply. cosmology is interesting stuff.
That's cool true debater,
I'm glad your being reeled into this since I always enjoy your perspective.
You also make me work to win. 😠
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