Abraxas vs Dream of The Endless

Originally posted by abhilegend
Do you have any proof that morpheus isn't multiversal other than your objects that "LOL, he isn't"? Yes endless are multiversal, there is only one Death in DC as shown in Action comics 894. You are severaly underestimating dream here. He put down Ultimator, a being made of EVERYTHING in creation in past, present and future when even mxy and entire 5th dimension were helpless against it. Yeah abraxas scared some type of eternity (jobberking in all comicdom, seriously tell me a fight where eternity won) in MU and booed a child in his dreams, who gives a shit? What has he done on-panel that you are laughing at the idea of dream posing any kind of threat to abraxas?

Ok, so you have ZERO proof he's multiversal. Got it.

Dream is just ONE of the many conceptual beings that make up a universe. Multi-Eternity, NOT ETERNITY (the "jobber king"😉, MULTI-ETERNITY is entirety of the multiverse and EVERYTHING in it. This being was powerless against Abraxas. I don't get what's so hard to understand. Dream is just one of MANY conceptual beings that exist within a universe. Multi-Eternity is the MULTIVERSE and everything in it. This is stated on panel.

Regarding the "7 year old". This "7 year old" was holding off Rogue Celestials. These beings were in a panic and called him "beyond Omega level" and a "universal level Shaper". These same beings were ONE SHOTTING Infinity Gauntlet users and ignoring attacks from a Starbrand user.

Dream is completely out of his league here.

i'm not sure about morpheus's sphere of influence. comparing cosmics in marvel and dc doesn't always work because the cosmology is different. pretty sure there was a time where vertigo was considered a separate universe from dc main, but characters like dream and destiny have bounced back and forth. but i could be wrong about the dc/vertigo division. they may have merged. dc's universal boundaries have always been much more difficult to gauge. what is 'universal' or 'multiversal' in marvel may not translate exactly.

Actually, all the LT's in every multiverse are his avatars. LT is Omnipresent. Like Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, he can exist in multiple locations at the same time. Where as LT can exist in every multiverse at the same time.

Originally posted by zopzop
The feat is valid because there's only ONE LT throughout the multiverse. Reed Richards, even if it's the MC2 one, defeated the LT and a host of other cosmics. In all Marvel that's only occurred like twice : Thanos with the HotU and the Protege.

Originally posted by zopzop
Ok, so you have ZERO proof he's multiversal. Got it.

Dream is just ONE of the many conceptual beings that make up a universe. Multi-Eternity, NOT ETERNITY (the "jobber king"😉, MULTI-ETERNITY is entirety of the multiverse and EVERYTHING in it. This being was powerless against Abraxas. I don't get what's so hard to understand. Dream is just one of MANY conceptual beings that exist within a universe. Multi-Eternity is the MULTIVERSE and everything in it. This is stated on panel.

Regarding the "7 year old". This "7 year old" was holding off Rogue Celestials. These beings were in a panic and called him "beyond Omega level" and a "universal level Shaper". These same beings were ONE SHOTTING Infinity Gauntlet users and ignoring attacks from a Starbrand user.

Dream is completely out of his league here.

Disagree, The Endless beings like Dream have shown to have sway over the entire multiverse. Death herself has ended universes. This is established in Sandman cannon. Has Abraxas ever fought other abstract forces? cus in Marvel, they have dozens of so called multiverse type beings. Liek I said, if Abraxas is really causing alot of commotion in MU, he would be on LT's radar.

Originally posted by zopzop
Ok, so you have ZERO proof he's multiversal. Got it.

Dream is just ONE of the many conceptual beings that make up a universe. Multi-Eternity, NOT ETERNITY (the "jobber king"😉, MULTI-ETERNITY is entirety of the multiverse and EVERYTHING in it. This being was powerless against Abraxas. I don't get what's so hard to understand. Dream is just one of MANY conceptual beings that exist within a universe. Multi-Eternity is the MULTIVERSE and everything in it. This is stated on panel.

Regarding the "7 year old". This "7 year old" was holding off Rogue Celestials. These beings were in a panic and called him "beyond Omega level" and a "universal level Shaper". These same beings were ONE SHOTTING Infinity Gauntlet users and ignoring attacks from a Starbrand user.

Dream is completely out of his league here.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

I'm seeing some horrible logic in this thread. Really, really horrible.

Its origins can be traced back to Mr Masters hyping of this Abraxas
character and unfortunately too many people swallowed his sh*t
without any analysis of the story arc themselves.

I don't go around spitting your name without you involved in your lunacy.

You're a *****
to be besmirching my name without me being related to the discussion.

I have no respect for at all for you from now on, we have our wars,
but your disrespect has crossed the line.

Go phuck yourself ... seriously, no need for stupid smilies on this one,
go ... phuck ... yourself!

As for the thread ...

Unless Dream is more powerful than the embodiment
of DC's Multiversal Space-Time Continuum ... Dream loses.

Simple.

Originally posted by zopzop

MULTI-ETERNITY is entirety of the multiverse and EVERYTHING
in it. This being was powerless against Abraxas. I don't get what's
so hard to understand. Multi-Eternity is the MULTIVERSE
and everything in it. This is stated on panel.

Regarding the "7 year old". This "7 year old" was holding off Rogue
Celestials. These beings were in a panic and called him "beyond
Omega level" and a "universal level Shaper". These same beings
were ONE SHOTTING Infinity Gauntlet users and ignoring attacks
from a Starbrand user.

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The power of the Multiversal Space-Time Continuum does this:

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"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,

the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"

Yet it was hopeless against Abraxas. 🙂

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The dead Galactuses
represent a plethora of Realities that have already fallen to Abraxas.

This scene isn't of Abraxas standing in one universe with bodies around him,
this is Eternity showing Reed what Abraxas has already done across creation.

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... and how was Abraxas causing "the Multiverse ...
... to shift as constantly as the ocean crashes on a sand of castle?" (as Reed put it)

Also, the Multiverse is continually "shifting" cause UniverseS
continue to merge as Abraxas makes his way pass them towards 616.

Anyway, so how?

The only way possible, the way he was created to do it:

Exactly. By merging UniverseS together (folding them) with his presence, which leads to collapse.

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All that and finally we got Abraxas' own bio in his Power descriptions:

"Abaraxs ... power enabling him to traverse and manipulate Dimensions at will,
restructure matter ... "

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AB - FF Ultimate Guide bio:

Restructuring Reality is nothing to Abraxas!

"He can restructure matter and convert physical matter into pure energy ...
he has destroyed entire PLANES of Reality"

"We're dealing with a being of Godlike powers, BENDING Reality means nothing to him"

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Reed Richards said that with certainty
when he was not only shown in a cosmic theatre by Eternity,

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/10279927/AAA.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/10279928/A9.jpg.html

... but he himself certified this fact via his instrumentation
when they registered alternate realities merging across the Multiverse:

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/10279936/AAA3.jpg.html

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you are just ignoring whatever anyone says. Endless are multiversal as they have no counterparts in any other universe like spectre and LT. Lulz, morpheus ACTUALLY beat a guy who was made of everything in creation, ULTIMATOR. Alternate reality versions, you are acting like they were using 616 IG and UN. Where did you got that they were panicked, all franklin did was warp an attack in flowers and currently is fleeing from them. Franklin was scared shitless and unable to do anything against onslaught while onslaught was using his power, so let me guess onslaught is a celestial level threat. What you aren't understanding that for all his power franklin was still a small child and could get scared easily. If abraxas ignored franklin's powers while he was using them, you would've had a point. In reality, all he did was to scare a child. You are declaring "abraxas wins" like it's anything more than your opinion.

Good call on Ultimater. He's certainly more powerful than Abraxas.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you are just ignoring whatever anyone says. Endless are multiversal as they have no counterparts in any other universe like spectre and LT. Lulz, morpheus ACTUALLY beat a guy who was made of everything in creation, ULTIMATOR. Alternate reality versions, you are acting like they were using 616 IG and UN. Where did you got that they were panicked, all franklin did was warp an attack in flowers and currently is fleeing from them. Franklin was scared shitless and unable to do anything against onslaught while onslaught was using his power, so let me guess onslaught is a celestial level threat. What you aren't understanding that for all his power franklin was still a small child and could get scared easily. If abraxas ignored franklin's powers while he was using them, you would've had a point. In reality, all he did was to scare a child. You are declaring "abraxas wins" like it's anything more than your opinion.

Dude, Dream is JUST ONE OF THE MANY CONCEPTS that make up a universe. Even IF he's multiversal (no proof offered as of yet but whatever), he's not the TOTALITY of the multiverse. He's just one aspect out of many.

Multi-Eternity is the TOTALITY of the MULTIVERSE and EVERYTHING in it. Is that so hard to understand?

Those Rogue Celestials were in fear of him. You saw the scans and you still arguing?

And what did Dream do to Ultimator? He talked him to sleep after Mxy tped him into Dream's realm. Then Mxy sealed him up. Some feat.

What is DC's Embodiment of Multiversal Space Time Continuum? Dream does not adhere to time continuum. Dream is a freeking primal concept. You are talking about a guy that Lucifer Morningstar respects.

Originally posted by Mr Master
As for the thread ...

Unless Dream is more powerful than the embodiment
of DC's Multiversal Space-Time Continuum ... Dream loses.

Simple.

👆

The Endless beings like Dream are the cream of the crop. DC states they are the aspects of DC 's creation. You cannot destroy what is an idea. Also says The Endless are as old as the concepts that they represent.

Originally posted by zopzop
Dude, Dream is JUST ONE OF THE MANY CONCEPTS that make up a universe. Even IF he's multiversal (no proof offered as of yet but whatever), he's not the TOTALITY of the multiverse. He's just one aspect out of many.

Multi-Eternity is the TOTALITY of the MULTIVERSE and EVERYTHING in it. Is that so hard to understand?

Those Rogue Celestials were in fear of him. You saw the scans and you still arguing?

And what did Dream do to Ultimator? He talked him to sleep after Mxy tped him into Dream's realm. Then Mxy sealed him up. Some feat.

Originally posted by zopzop
Dude, Dream is JUST ONE OF THE MANY CONCEPTS that make up a universe. Even IF he's multiversal (no proof offered as of yet but whatever), he's not the TOTALITY of the multiverse. He's just one aspect out of many.

Multi-Eternity is the TOTALITY of the MULTIVERSE and EVERYTHING in it. Is that so hard to understand?

Those Rogue Celestials were in fear of him. You saw the scans and you still arguing?

And what did Dream do to Ultimator? He talked him to sleep after Mxy tped him into Dream's realm. Then Mxy sealed him up. Some feat.

Originally posted by lilshogun

The Endless beings like Dream are the cream of the crop.
DC
states they are the aspects of DC 's creation.
You cannot destroy what is an idea.
Also says The Endless are as old as the concepts that they
represent.

Originally posted by abhilegend

What did abraxas do besides scaring some jobber
and a child and some other off-panel shit?

Abraxas mind wiped Uatu, (a Watcher)
stole half his emblem
and comatose him from universeS away.
He also incinerated Surfer from universeS away.

Abraxas killed a specific target (every alternate Reed)
across all realities with a thought, while simultaneously killing 616 Reed slowly.

Abraxas also killed an unknown number of alternate Galactuses across the Multiverse.

Abraxas had universal warper Franklin terrified and helpless,
he also had the power of the Multiversal Space-Time Continuum afraid
and helpless.

*** In the story,
it was also a fact that nothing short of UN-like power could stop Abraxas.

Abraxas being the anti-thesis
to the power of the Multiversal Space-Time Continuum (Eternity/Infinity)
it makes perfect sense why a weapon that can erase and re-create anew the 616 Multiverse
was need to defeat him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Proof? There is only one death in DC multiverse, only one dream in dc multiverse. Alternate reality celestials beating alt IG users,whoop de doo. Galactus is going to take on them soon, you would find that how powerful they are. Well ultimator was the embodiment of ALL THERE IS and morpheus beat him on-panel. What did abraxas do besides scaring some jobber and a child and some other off-panel shit?

Even IF Dream is multiversal, he's still but one of MANY concepts that comprise the multiverse. Do you get that? He's not the totality of the muliverse given form. He's just one of many!

Multi-Eternity is the multiverse and EVERYTHING in it. Not just Time, or Dream, or Chaos, or Order, or Space, or Time, or Desire, or Hate, etc.. He's EVERYTHING. All that was powerless against Abraxas.

Deam is out of his league here.

Edit :

All he did was BORE Ultimator to sleep after Mxy tped him into Dream's realm. WTF kind of feat is that?

^Better than anything abraxas did. Well I'm going to bed now, its 5 am here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
^Better than anything abraxas did. Well I'm going to bed now, its 5 am here.

Not really. Boring someone to sleep isn't much of a feat.
http://imageshack.us/f/185/mx2mm8.jpg/

Plus there's reason to believe it was all a made up story told by Mxy :
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/1248433newyearsevilmrmx.jpg/

Originally posted by zopzop
The feat is valid because there's only ONE LT throughout the multiverse. Reed Richards, even if it's the MC2 one, defeated the LT and a host of other cosmics. In all Marvel that's only occurred like twice : Thanos with the HotU and the Protege.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Dude, seriously, can you get off my d*ck!

I don't go around spitting your name without you involved in your lunacy.

You're a *****
to be besmirching my name without me being related to the discussion.

I have no respect for at all for you from now on, we have our wars,
but your disrespect has crossed the line.

Go phuck yourself ... seriously, no need for stupid smilies on this one,
go ... phuck ... yourself!

😱

What a hypocrite.

But whatever chick.

It really isnt that serious. 😆