Count Dooku Versus Revan

Originally posted by Battlemaster

[B]VS

Peak Dooku; Revan.

Setting: Geonosis Arena

1. Force

2. Sabers

3. Anything goes.

Who emerges? [/B]

Dooku's an amazing saber expert, but Revan's top tier of his own era. His victory against Malak, Yusanis, Mandalore, etc. are meant to emphasis this without showing us canon saber fights in a player-controlled environment. In TOR, Revan's chief strength is in his god-awful ridiculous Force powers. At one point, he pretty much brings down debris orbiting the meteor-space station on which you fight him to crush the player party, uses Force lightning storms and TK which can kill you with one hit (which it did me once. It shoots you the entire length of the arena and into the abyss if you're not lucky.). Then you have his "Hey Darth Nyriss, NO U" attack, and it's clear that while Dooku is powerful in his own right, Revan outstrips him in sheer power and Sith Lore.

Sabers, tough call. Want to lean towards Dooku because of established Makashi mastery, but if Anakin Skywalker can give him fits (which the show and ROtS indicate is the case) I don't see why Revan can't do likewise.

Force powers, it's really all about Revan here. He has shown a greater understanding of ancient lost techniques and especially Sith Techniques, and a greater range of power.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Sabers, tough call. Want to lean towards Dooku because of established Makashi mastery, but if Anakin Skywalker can give him fits (which the show and ROtS indicate is the case) I don't see why Revan can't do likewise.

Maybe because Anakin is legitimately one of the best duelists of the era and the mythos whereas Revan kind of isn't?

Let's see who beat Revan in saber combat in his era:

.........

Let's see who beat Anakin Skywalker in saber combat in his era:

Dooku
Obi-Wan Kenobi

If you want to pull the "of all time" card, Anakin has far more failures and lower showings alonig with one considerably awesome and unprecedented win than Revan, who basically dominated everyone but Lord "I eat planets and crap thunder" Vitiate.

Seems like Anakin's "greatness" is entirely relative too. Funny how that works.

Did he dominate them in lightsaber combat? Because if not I hardly see how thats relevent.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Let's see who beat Revan in saber combat in his era:

.........

Let's see who beat Anakin Skywalker in saber combat in his era:

Dooku
Obi-Wan Kenobi

If you want to pull the "of all time" card, Anakin has far more failures and lower showings alonig with one considerably awesome and unprecedented win than Revan, who basically dominated everyone but Lord "I eat planets and crap thunder" Vitiate.

Seems like Anakin's "greatness" is entirely relative too. Funny how that works.

Furthermore, I've seen you personally argue that Obi-Wan's victory over Anakin wasn't legitimate, and we all know that Jedi Master Dooku beating 16 year old padawan Anakin is hardly worth mentioning.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Let's see who beat Revan in saber combat in his era:

.........

Let's see who beat Anakin Skywalker in saber combat in his era:

Dooku
Obi-Wan Kenobi

If you want to pull the "of all time" card, Anakin has far more failures and lower showings alonig with one considerably awesome and unprecedented win than Revan, who basically dominated everyone but Lord "I eat planets and crap thunder" Vitiate.

Seems like Anakin's "greatness" is entirely relative too. Funny how that works.

haermm

The Old Republic reveals that

Spoiler:
Revan fought with the immortal Sith Emperor.

Originally posted by KingD19
The Old Republic reveals that

Spoiler:
Revan fought with the immortal Sith Emperor.

Anakin can't compare to that.

Originally posted by KingD19
The Old Republic reveals that

Spoiler:
Revan fought with the immortal Sith Emperor.

Anakin can't compare to that.

The only reason he survived was because the Emperor wanted him alive... At the end of the duel, Revan was completely at Vitate's mercy.

Rereading that post, it isn't very clear where I -was- going with it. I was overtired and multi-tasking, so I beg pardon for not making a formidable point.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Rereading that post, it isn't very clear where I -was- going with it. I was overtired and multi-tasking, so I beg pardon for not making a formidable point.

I've been there, too.

In any case, you did bring up some great points. I would definitely agree with Revan beating Dooku through the Force, at least.

Just playing the battle with him in TOR and reading Revan, the Force edge definitely seems in his favor.

Gameplay isn't canon. Does he do anything in cutscenes?

I don't remember him doing anything other than potentially teleporting... But that could also be him dying in a fashion similar to Palps.

Still, reducing that one Dark Lord to ash with a blast of lightning is helluva impressive.

Originally posted by ares834
I don't remember him doing anything other than potentially teleporting... But that could also be him dying in a fashion similar to Palps.

Still, reducing that one Dark Lord to ash with a blast of lightning is helluva impressive.

If Revan did that in a fight with a Dark Lord, then that trumps any Force Lightning attack Dooku has ever pulled, against a Force User.

That is something considerable.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Gameplay isn't canon. Does he do anything in cutscenes?

Revan has an entirely unique ability to generate Force lightning storms of considerable power during the fight. This is also referenced by the Rakata at Lehon. Secondly, he's the only character in the game to use TK to pull debris the size of Buicks on top of the player characters. You can argue it didn't happen in cutscene, but the fact remains that they deliberately scripted and made graphics and sounds for this specific event which is replicated nowhere else.

The intention of the game creators seems to be "Revan is fokkin' badass with the Force." Therefore, unless I was completely biased against Revan, I'd be inclined to consider this as representative of his power in relation to other Force users.

I always thought the 'Revan' teleport was the Fold Space ability that Luke and Jacen learned from that force clan.

The Old Republic reveals that

Spoiler:
Revan fought with the immortal Sith Emperor.

Anakin can't compare to that. [/B]

Revan has an entirely unique ability to generate Force lightning storms of considerable power during the fight.

In any case Dooku himself has great command of the Force. Yoda in both encounters had to proceed to lightsaber combat. In CW Anakin is shown to be better combatant, than Dooku, yet, he is always able to take advantage by his offensive use of the Force.

Actually Revan seems pretty ****ing pissed off in TOR.

It was a different application than what Luke and Ben learned from the Aing-Tii. As he vanished in a flash of light. But people do think it's the same thing, although they don't know where he'd have learned it from. Since he was never documented as having met any Aing-Tii.