Count Dooku Versus Revan

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ I understand Ventress can't do that any time she likes.

But what I'm saying is Dooku is so far ahead of Ventress in the force that she would need an absolutely huge boost to match/surpass him.

So I still think if Ventress can choke both Anakin and Obi-Wan in a bit of rage, then surely Count Dooku should be able to choke just Anakin in a one on one.

Another fact to consider is that before Ventress Force choked Anakin, he wasn't angry and as focused. It's quite noticeable that with Obi-Wan present Anakin restrains himself and controls his emotions. Otherwise Obi-Wan would sense his anger and chide him for that. While, when Anakin fought Dooku alone, he was clearly amplified by anger and more focused.
Also, there was a factor of surprise as they Force pinned Ventress to the floor and considered her defeated, so presumably their guard was more or less down.

By the way Dooku did Force choke Anakin in one of the episodes, although, Anakin was tired up by magnaguards.

Yeah your right, he did choke him in Shadow Warrior.

Anakin's just too inconsistent though. Yes your right he clearly was holding back when he fought Ventress with Obi-Wan, but Eariler that same season he battled Ventress alone to pretty much a stalemate.

Im assuming he's getting more powerful each season, and I doubt Ventress would stalemate or get the better off him again.

Perhaps he gained more confidence in his abilities after Mortis.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah your right, he did choke him in Shadow Warrior.

Anakin's just too inconsistent though. Yes your right he clearly was holding back when he fought Ventress with Obi-Wan, but Eariler that same season he battled Ventress alone to pretty much a stalemate.

Im assuming he's getting more powerful each season, and I doubt Ventress would stalemate or get the better off him again.

Perhaps he gained more confidence in his abilities after Mortis.

Originally posted by Arhael
Ye, inconsistent but it is good as with consistency is boring 🙂.
I am of opinion that with each season he was becoming not necessary more powerful but skilled in combat and use of Force as he wasn't really shown making any huge Force exertions. He was sorting things out mostly with lightsaber instead.
However, after Mortis he certainly should be much more powerful. Specifically in that situation, when he subdued Son and Daughter, it was kind of Force exertion, where he went beyond his limits. Naturally such feat should make him more attuned to the Force and set higher limits, hence making him more powerful.

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ok guys i try to keep ma cool but you guys are makin me mad...when kreia said lookin in revans eyes was like staring into the heart of the force do you guys think she meant he had really beautiful eyes and she wants to do him?? Like seriously??

revan wins with no diffuculty at all!!

revan is not omnipotent or anything and thats not what i am saying...but come on guys this is 80 year old dooku who got killed by anakin!! Im not impressed...sorry REVAN wins!!!

thus says the guy who should have been born a lawyer.

repeating the claim that revan is the heart of the force is NOT the substantiation of that term that I asked for. Tell me what that means in terms of combat ability or skill, or drop the point.

(Plus, since when is Kreia a reliable source...)

It means he is very powerful, what else?? If he is the heart of the force then naturally he would be beyond that of normal force users... He wouldnt even be a force user, but the heart of the force itself

and why isnt kreia reliable?? She was face to face with revan himself so she knows

Originally posted by darthshade
It means he is very powerful, what else?? If he is the heart of the force then naturally he would be beyond that of normal force users... He wouldnt even be a force user, but the heart of the force itself

and why isnt kreia reliable?? She was face to face with revan himself so she knows

1. She lies to the Exile repeatedly.

2. "Heart of the Force" could mean anything. Your interpretation is that it means he was very powerful. Do you have any source that agrees with you? does it mean he has great EXPERIENCE, or just potential,or realized potential?

Honestly, the quote "heart of the force" as it applies to combat,is meaningless. I'll save you some time. It's been hashed and rehashed. Nothing new to learn from KOTOR. the Revan novel is slightly less discussed, you might look there for evidence.

Originally posted by darthshade
but come on guys this is 80 year old dooku who got killed by anakin!! Im not impressed...sorry REVAN wins!!!

Lol If Revan's the Heart of the Force, then what do you think the Chosen One is??

It's all meaningless without feats. That's what we go by. Feats, combat training and comparisons with other characters.

Yeah Count Dooku is powerful and he trained Qui-Gonand was trained by Yoda and Siidous and everythign, but Revan destroys him with mere ease.

Heart of the Force represent the life and compassion of the Force, the lightside, whereas Chosen One is slave to boht light and dak.

Originally posted by darthshade
ok guys i try to keep ma cool but you guys are makin me mad...when kreia said lookin in revans eyes was like staring into the heart of the force do you guys think she meant he had really beautiful eyes and she wants to do him?? Like seriously??

revan wins with no diffuculty at all!!

revan is not omnipotent or anything and thats not what i am saying...but come on guys this is 80 year old dooku who got killed by anakin!! Im not impressed...sorry REVAN wins!!!

I gonna give you a few thoughts to consider.
Aspect of unifying Force is "that the Force is a single entity and has neither a light nor the dark side." It implies that user should be above light or dark, that there should be no light nor dark side powers involved, only the Force in its original raw form. While Revan on opposite used both light and dark side powers, which goes against that aspect.
Another thing is that the Force naturally takes side of those, who follow the lightside, Jedi are the keepers of the balance.
When Revan fought with Vitiate, it was quite rational. There was no spiritual side in the way he fought. He used all tools available relying on his versatility rather, than morals. He would have won, if he could achieve perfect calm and become tool of the Force but perfect calm doesn't involve anger and is not associated with darkside powers in any way.
Jedi Knight on the other side defeated Vititate. He was no way as versatile as Revan and most likely less skilled both in combat and utilizing the Force. But he still won, don't you get why?

Lightsiders follow the will the force darksiders bend the force to THEIR will that is key difference. Revan knew how to bend the Force to the will of the Force.

Originally posted by truejedi
1. She lies to the Exile repeatedly.

2. "Heart of the Force" could mean anything. Your interpretation is that it means he was very powerful. Do you have any source that agrees with you? does it mean he has great EXPERIENCE, or just potential,or realized potential?

Honestly, the quote "heart of the force" as it applies to combat,is meaningless. I'll save you some time. It's been hashed and rehashed. Nothing new to learn from KOTOR. the Revan novel is slightly less discussed, you might look there for evidence.

Ok smarty pants if you know that my interpretation is wrong then you should know what heart of the force means... Dont tell someone they are wrong unless you know what it means and if you dont know then shut the hell up and concede

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Originally posted by darthshade
Ok smarty pants if you know that my interpretation is wrong then you should know what heart of the force means... Dont tell someone they are wrong unless you know what it means and if you dont know then shut the hell up and concede

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Originally posted by Padawan Obi-Wan
Heart of the Force represent the life and compassion of the Force, the lightside, whereas Chosen One is slave to boht light and dak.

Citation needed.

Originally posted by Arhael

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Oh13eBEtu4
On this video Anakin entered "angry mode" not giving a f*** about paralysing spear of Magnaguard and showed himself better with lightsaber, yet, Dooku succesfully countered him with the Force.

Originally posted by Me
^ Anakin was clearly overpowering Dooku in Sabers there, and I don't even think he was In The Zone in that fight. Just angry.

Not sure why on Earth Dooku thought he would be capable of handling both Obi-Wan and Anakin by ROTS.

I take this back.

Watched the episode again and noticed Anakin kicked Dooku to the floor. I previously thought he just fell due to Anakin overpowering him.

And as we know from ROTS Dooku's kicks can be even more deadly to Anakin.

As for the rest of the Saber fight, Dooku was giving ground but was still blocking/parrying all Anakin's full strikes One Handed no less.

But Dooku still had Anakin defeated with the lethal FL and TK combo IMO.

As for the rest of the Saber fight, Dooku was giving ground but was still blocking/parrying all Anakin's full strikes One Handed no less.

Originally posted by Arhael
In cartoon they made D'artanian out of Dooku. Direct blocking Anakin's powerful strikes with one hand looked stupid and unrealistic. In both films Dooku mostly fought with two handed grip and switched to one handed only, when convenient, which makes sense, while in cartoon he keeps his hand to the back through the whole fight.

In his fight agaisnt Yoda he was using one hand, thther he kept on his chest IIRC.

And then of course theres ROTS when he parries off both Anakin's and Obi-Wans strikes one handed, and uses the other hand for his force attack on Obi-Wan.

The CW show is clearly showing Dooku to be the one handed Makashi fencer in line with the Eu for once!

He uses one hand because it makes it easier to melee attack or force attack with the other free hand that way he can be very good at using sabres to set up he force attack, like in mma where you use strikes to set tup the takedown.