Originally posted by cdtm
Stoic, I could see that happening.. Shut down Banner, and all you have is the monster.On the physical side, MM has some pretty good Plastic Man like feats under John Ostrander.. Everything from engulfing a being that's supposed to be stronger than Superman, to simply turning to putty at the end of a punch that drove him into the ground, taking no real damage.
So you are saying that Martian Manhunter is going to go physical??
Originally posted by TheHulk
Hulk Has Grabed Intangible Beings And Energy Beings May I Add.
When was this? If you are referring to the instance where Grey Hulk held Dr. Strange's astral form, there was context to that. They were in another universe with properties that increased the mass of whatever was in it. That's why the Hulk was able to touch Strange's astral form, it was even explained in the issue.
Unless you are referring to another instance of Hulk grabbing intangible beings, he's not touching MM if MM don't want to be touched.
This fight would be an endless stalemate (since BFR is off).
Originally posted by Stoic
Do you have any idea what World Breaker Hulk is capable of? He's not just some muscle dude, at WB levels he is basically a gamma reactor leaking solar energy. J'onn would not be able to contain him with such a tactic as engulfing him within his stretchy body. J'onn would be turned into molecules while doing battle with WB Hulk, and I am taking this from what was seen on panel even before the Dark Dimension showing. While in Ney York, he was leaking in this way, and this was while he was holding back. No J'onn is not on this level. He's actually far from it.
The thing is, MM's durability was also pretty variable..
For example, Kanto had a dimensional sword capable of piercing him while intangible. So, MM learned how to create a shield that could block the sword, and grow armor and a more powerful form.. Against a giant robot, he made himself as big as a skyscraper, pulled metal from the surrounding areas and armored up his body.
He can basically take mass from his surroundings and enhance his durability, size, and strength. But of course he rarely does this, because he's usually in team books where individual feats are much more rare because everyone needs their time in the spotlight....
Originally posted by carver9
The only reason Strange was able to even enter Hulks mind was due Hulk engaging someone else. The only reason the shield agents were able to get into Hulks mind was due to Hulk engaging someone else. Martian Manhunter doesn't have this luxury.
MM could get physical with the Hulk just long enough to get inside his head. If Thing and some of the other bricks managed to hang with him for a bit, so could MM. Plus, this isn't taking into account that MM can shape change. He could really mess with Hulk's mind if he shifted into Betty.
So it's just a matter of if MM could get into his head. If Strange and shield agents could do it, MM could too.
And Strange just used magic to accomplish his goal because he's not a telepath by nature. It's like him using magic to increase his strength vs someone who is naturally strong like Superman. It's just a different way of getting to the same place.
Originally posted by Odekahn
MM could get physical with the Hulk just long enough to get inside his head. If Thing and some of the other bricks managed to hang with him for a bit, so could MM. Plus, this isn't taking into account that MM can shape change. He could really mess with Hulk's mind if he shifted into Betty.So it's just a matter of if MM could get into his head. If Strange and shield agents could do it, MM could too.
And Strange just used magic to accomplish his goal because he's not a telepath by nature. It's like him using magic to increase his strength vs someone who is naturally strong like Superman. It's just a different way of getting to the same place.
This is the Hulk in WB mode, not chilling like he was during WW Hulk. J'onn would get his head and shoulders handed to him up his @$$.
Originally posted by cdtm
Hulk has extra sensory vision? o_OIf you have scans, sure, I'd like to see them. Out of personal interest, not because I'm calling you a liar.
Check his respect section, he's been doing this for ages, and has the uncanny ability to move in the correct direction while tunneling under ground.
Originally posted by cdtmThat sounds more like a threat. And considering J'onn's failure to slow Black Adam down late on, a rather hollow one.
In the first World War III book, MM stated "Continue to struggle, and you will lose the privilege of thought."Granted, this doesn't prove beyond doubt he could have shut Adam's mind down, but it stands to reason if he immediately shut him down, there would be no struggle.
Like if you sucker punch KO someone, they won't be able to defend themselves, vs letting them put up their defenses first.
Not sure this mind shutdown thing is as easy an alternative to other mind attacks as you're suggesting.
Originally posted by cdtmhttp://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Powers/HulkSense01130.jpg
Hulk has extra sensory vision? o_OIf you have scans, sure, I'd like to see them. Out of personal interest, not because I'm calling you a liar.
He did flood Adam's mind with his own pain, though. Could be seen as PIS that he didn't even attempt a mind shutdown (And in general, telepaths rarely even attempt it..)
Side rant: MM hurting/distracting Adam with his memories of pain and loss basically contradicts the first issue, when MM can't handle Adam's pain and loss.. That's because the first two issues and the last two issues were written by different writers, with the last two being by Ostrander, the MM authority (As he did write MM's second mini and established most of his modern history)..
Originally posted by Odekahn
Warbound calls him the World Breaker all throughout WWH.
You haven't been keeping up with Hulk. Back on topic..do you really think MM is withstanding punches like this? The people that are flying off is just as strong as Jonn...I would even go as far as to say that Bi Beast is stronger.
Originally posted by Stoic
This thread is indicative of WB Hulk at his best. Besides, did you know that he could ramp up to the strength that it would take to destroy a planet in seconds?
That would take Hulk being insanely angry. He only got that angry because of what happened to Rick Jones. He didn't get that mad while fighting anyone else. Unless MM killed someone he loved in front of him, he won't get that strong that quickly.
And even while he was fighting Sentry, Hulk could still think. His mind could still be messed with. If not from telepathy first, from shape shifting, and then telepathy.
Originally posted by carver9
You haven't been keeping up with Hulk. Back on topic..do you really think MM is withstanding punches like this? The people that are flying off is just as strong as Jonn...I would even go as far as to say that Bi Beast is stronger.
Martain Manhunter Abilities:
Superhuman strength, speed, senses, mentality, and endurance
Shapeshifting
Invulnerability
Vortex Breath
Hypnosis
Telekinesis
Invisibility
Intangibility
Longevity
Healing factor
Flight
Telepathy
Martian Vision
Heat Generation
I think he could take a few hits like Thing and Hulk Buster Iron Man did. And he wouldn't be nearly as pissed at MM as he was Tony.
If you're saying he hates Martain Manhunter as much as those guys, then all J'onn has to do is go intangible. And if he wants to piss off Hulk, He could hit Hulk then immediately go intangible again and continue to do that. MM is too versatile.
Originally posted by Odekahn
That would take Hulk being insanely angry. He only got that angry because of what happened to Rick Jones. He didn't get that mad while fighting anyone else. Unless MM killed someone he loved in front of him, he won't get that strong that quickly.And even while he was fighting Sentry, Hulk could still think. His mind could still be messed with. If not from telepathy first, from shape shifting, and then telepathy.
Did you get the part when I said that the Hulk can ramp up to WB mode in seconds?
